But if your rebuilding, like you say, then there is no need to be tied to a long term big money deal for a vet.

And what does Konecny bring that isn't something you can find else where? Not saying he is not a good player but he doesn't have some outstanding skill that isn't replaceable. He is a solid hockey player who i think kind of looks inflated because of how poor the team has been.

Again not a bad player at all. But I don't think he is a cornerstone player for the Flyers and where they are at.
- J35Bacher

Agree with this whole take.

That’s your opinion. Not fact.

He told the Flyers he wanted to be here so they picked him. He went back on that. Had he not he’d still be with the Flyers organization. Simple as that.

I have a lot of fire towards the Flyers front office/ownership but this is one of the extremely few areas where they weren’t in the wrong.
- hereticpride

Is this your opinion or fact? I don't know how one comment, I'll advised or not, which we all have done, especially when young, means that he has a lot of growing up to do. I personally believe that his thoughts when he was drafted, we're genuine. The Flyers front office screwed up royally by not signing him when his NCAA season was over in 23.

gauthier has character issues rather not have him
- 2Real

Says whom?

Because he wanted a trade out of Philly?

It's really laughable the excuses some are telling thmeselves for giving up a top league wide prospect for a second pairing, injury prone dman.

That trade will come back to haunt Flyer fans moreso than the Sharp and Williams trades.

And those trades really sucked.

In my opinion, TK is not a top liner on most teams. Anything over 6.5-7 million, IN MY OPINION, is an overpay for a second liner. There are certain exceptions to that, but TK is not one of them.

You were on here a few weeks ago saying anything over 9 and he should be traded, now it is over 10. 9.5 would still be a massive overpayment for what he brings. 70 games and 30 goals. That is his high average.What does he do to get that type of contract? He does nothing elite. Nothing. His shot is ok, he is not fast or big, does not really throw the body around. He doesn't really set up goals like a playmaker who is in that price range. He does get hurt every year. When he was drafted, I thought we were getting the next Kenny Linesman, and instead we got TK. I would not build a team around TK, as he is a complimentary piece, not the centre point.

I think you over value him by a long shot. But I don't think he should be a throw in to move up, as I do feel he woud get a first and a b prospect. The first would be low 20's at best. But to throw him in just to move up is stupid. You would be trading essentially 2 firsts plus to get not even a top 5 pick in a questionable draft. I would be more open to it if it was a blue chip prospect like a Hieskenen or the sort, but each and every prospect in this draft, including Cellebrini have a hole or 2 in their game.
- TheFreak

Konecny was top 10 in scoring as a RW while only having 9 PP points on the season. I'd say that makes him a top line player on most teams

I don't know. They might as they have a new owner and may want to make more of an immediate impact like Vegas did then continually waiting on youth like AZ was doing.

He could probably wear a letter for them. He is an All-star so you can market with him. He plays a grittyish style so fans will love him.

He can fill a lot of things for them as they enter a new home. I could see it in a way.
- J35Bacher

So was Kevin Hayes.

TK is an allstar, but he did not compete in an individual event, just the game. So that would indicate he was more a filler allstar to me.

Konecny was top 10 in scoring as a RW while only having 9 PP points on the season. I'd say that makes him a top line player on most teams
- MJL

Not on a competing team. Show me were he would fit in Vegas, Colorado, NYR, Dallas, Vancouver, Florida, Boston, Toronto, Tampa or Carolina?

Second line minutes, and second pp unit.

On Crapass teams like the Flyers, sure he is a first liner, but that speaks to the level of talent on the team, not the player.

I'm not going to argue this with you, just like I avoided the Farabee conversations.

Did you not watch the draft where he said he was thrilled to be Flyers and lied to everyone?

How about his stupid comments before the NCAA Championship “there’s gonna be a lot of tears over there.” And then he proceeds to lose and be a nonfactor.

He’s acts like a kid and he has A LOT of growing up to do. I get he’s young but you don’t see many other prospects being this dumb.
- hereticpride

I don't think he lied about being thrilled to being picked by the Flyers. Something changed from that day to the day he requested a trade.

He was just talking crap and it backfired. It happens all the time. If it didn't..Mark Messier guaranteeing the win in 94 wouldn't be such a big deal.

How has he acted as a kid? He is only 20,and that is almost younger than any of my kids. Multiple players have done what Gauthier did, and each and every one of those teams fans have hated the player for doing it. I think, for his sake, he is better off in Anaheim, as they are starting to hoard an embarrassment of riches, and he is going to be fitting in just fine with them. Anaheim is going to be scary good in the next couple of years.

Did you not watch the draft where he said he was thrilled to be Flyers and lied to everyone?

How about his stupid comments before the NCAA Championship “there’s gonna be a lot of tears over there.” And then he proceeds to lose and be a nonfactor.

He’s acts like a kid and he has A LOT of growing up to do. I get he’s young but you don’t see many other prospects being this dumb.
- hereticpride

Who says he was lying. He said enthusiastically "I was born to be a Flyer". I have no doubt that he meant it. All accounts are Flyers backed out of signing him the end of his 23 college season which would have burnt a yr of eligibility which turned him off. Immaturity isn't a character issue it's just immaturity but maybe it was confidence and e
enthusiasm. Again he was Asst Captain team USA I am certain they wouldn't name a guy with character issues

Not on a competing team. Show me were he would fit in Vegas, Colorado, NYR, Dallas, Vancouver, Florida, Boston, Toronto, Tampa or Carolina?

Second line minutes, and second pp unit.

On Crapass teams like the Flyers, sure he is a first liner, but that speaks to the level of talent on the team, not the player.

I'm not going to argue this with you, just like I avoided the Farabee conversations.
- TheFreak

Your statement was that he was not a top line player on most teams. Then you come back and name 10 teams in a 32 team league. Speculate for me how many points Konecny scores playing with McKinnon, Barkov, Zbanajad or any of the other top centers in the league. You're smart to not want to argue it because you don't have one. It's foolish to state that he's not a top line player on most teams when he is top 10 in overall scoring among all RW's and 6th overall among all NHL RW's in EVP.

The thing is, certain teams may want a player like TK over the pick because they want the help right now. The Utah owner has said he intends to spend money unlike the coyotes ownership. He wants to try to win as quickly as possible. Utah acquiring and signing TK or another player to a big long term deal indicates they’re not going to be the same as the cheap coyotes.

Montreal has been heavily rumored to want a forward. If Demidov and Lindstrom are gone many feel they’d be interested in trading the pick.

Ottawa and Buffalo need to take the next step next year and can’t afford another bad season. Staios in Ottawa probably has a longer leash than Adams does in Buffalo. At the end of the day a GM is going to do what’s best for his team and his job security.
- Schmojo

Utah owner can just sign Guentzel and keep the pick if he wants to make a splash. Why lose the pick?

Utah owner can just sign Guentzel and keep the pick if he wants to make a splash. Why lose the pick?
- hfc355

Guentzel has a say in that. Why would he want to go there?

In my opinion, TK is not a top liner on most teams. Anything over 6.5-7 million, IN MY OPINION, is an overpay for a second liner. There are certain exceptions to that, but TK is not one of them.

You were on here a few weeks ago saying anything over 9 and he should be traded, now it is over 10. 9.5 would still be a massive overpayment for what he brings. 70 games and 30 goals. That is his high average.What does he do to get that type of contract? He does nothing elite. Nothing. His shot is ok, he is not fast or big, does not really throw the body around. He doesn't really set up goals like a playmaker who is in that price range. He does get hurt every year. When he was drafted, I thought we were getting the next Kenny Linesman, and instead we got TK. I would not build a team around TK, as he is a complimentary piece, not the centre point.

I think you over value him by a long shot. But I don't think he should be a throw in to move up, as I do feel he woud get a first and a b prospect. The first would be low 20's at best. But to throw him in just to move up is stupid. You would be trading essentially 2 firsts plus to get not even a top 5 pick in a questionable draft. I would be more open to it if it was a blue chip prospect like a Hieskenen or the sort, but each and every prospect in this draft, including Cellebrini have a hole or 2 in their game.
- TheFreak

You are under valuing TK. On a non playoff team he hits the thirty goal mark without playing with a legit 1st line center. He got time on the PK and was what tied for 1st for SHGs.
He may not be the best RW but he could play on the 1st line on a lot of teams.

You are under valuing TK. On a non playoff team he hits the thirty goal mark without playing with a legit 1st line center. He got time on the PK and was what tied for 1st for SHGs.
He may not be the best RW but he could play on the 1st line on a lot of teams.
- bird_dog_pa

On most teams. He's a legit 1st line NHL player. Some teams have two top line players at a position on a team. Hypothetically, if Konecny was on Colorado, yea, Rantanen is their best RW but that wouldn't mean that Konecny is not a top line RW.

Guentzel has a say in that. Why would he want to go there?
- MJL

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- hfc355

He's going to get that no matter where he goes.

Your statement was that he was not a top line player on most teams. Then you come back and name 10 teams in a 32 team league. Speculate for me how many points Konecny scores playing with McKinnon, Barkov, Zbanajad or any of the other top centers in the league. You're smart to not want to argue it because you don't have one. It's foolish to state that he's not a top line player on most teams when he is top 10 in overall scoring among all RW's and 6th overall among all NHL RW's in EVP.
- MJL

My statement was that in MY OPINION, he was not a top line player, even more so on a contending team. I even stated "in my opinion" 2 times when I posted that.

He wouldn't be playing with McKinnon, Barkov or on NYR's top line with any regularity or frequency. So to me, it's a moot point what he could do, because the players already on those teams in roles are better than TK....hence he wouldn't be laying on their top lines or PP.

My statement was that in MY OPINION, he was not a top line player, even more so on a contending team. I even stated "in my opinion" 2 times when I posted that.

He wouldn't be playing with McKinnon, Barkov or on NYR's top line with any regularity or frequency. So to me, it's a moot point what he could do, because the players already on those teams in roles are better than TK....hence he wouldn't be laying on their top lines or PP.
- TheFreak

I don't think the debate is about whether it was your opinion or not. Your opinion is not supported by the available data. How can you say he wouldn't be playing with any of those players? You have no idea what a coach might put together for lines. I generally agree with most of what you post but you're not on solid ground here. Konecny is a 1st line NHL player no matter how you look at it.

My statement was that in MY OPINION, he was not a top line player, even more so on a contending team. I even stated "in my opinion" 2 times when I posted that.

He wouldn't be playing with McKinnon, Barkov or on NYR's top line with any regularity or frequency. So to me, it's a moot point what he could do, because the players already on those teams in roles are better than TK....hence he wouldn't be laying on their top lines or PP.
- TheFreak

He 100% could play on the top line on any of those teams. Being on the top line doesn’t mean you have to be the best player on the line. Doesn’t mean he would be a passenger either.

You are under valuing TK. On a non playoff team he hits the thirty goal mark without playing with a legit 1st line center. He got time on the PK and was what tied for 1st for SHGs.
He may not be the best RW but he could play on the 1st line on a lot of teams.
- bird_dog_pa

He got a tonne of PP minutes and led the Flyers to the worst PP in the league. Most teams would not have TK playing top line winger, #1 pp unit, #1 PK unit...the Flyers had to due to a talent shortage. He is the best the Flyers had for the last 2 years, but he is far from an elite player, and I highly doubt he would be a top line winger on over half the teams in the league. The other half of the league are just as bad as Philly
He also got more minutes, offensive starts, etc playing on the Flyers than he would have say in Colorado or Dallas. More minutes normally means more chances and points. But 30 goals and 65 points is not a top line winger in the true sense. How man 100 point guys does Colorado have? So Mckinnon, Rantenen And TK?

Feels like we are playing sesame street...one of these things doesn't fit with the rest....

He has a similar output as Tippet...would Tippet be top line on any contending team in the league? No he wouldn't..it would be second line and second PP unit.

He 100% could play on the top line on any of those teams. Being on the top line doesn’t mean you have to be the best player on the line. Doesn’t mean he would be a passenger either.
- ClaudeFather

Firmly disagree.

These teams have players already in place, and TK is not knocking them out of their spots. On a good team, he is a second liner. Stamkos in Tampa is a second liner tese days...it's not an insult.

Your statement was that he was not a top line player on most teams. Then you come back and name 10 teams in a 32 team league. Speculate for me how many points Konecny scores playing with McKinnon, Barkov, Zbanajad or any of the other top centers in the league. You're smart to not want to argue it because you don't have one. It's foolish to state that he's not a top line player on most teams when he is top 10 in overall scoring among all RW's and 6th overall among all NHL RW's in EVP.
- MJL

This was my statement:

In my opinion, TK is not a top liner on most teams. Anything over 6.5-7 million, IN MY OPINION, is an overpay for a second liner. There are certain exceptions to that, but TK is not one of them.

I named the top 10 teams in the league, who have to be considered contenders and I don't think he would play first line on any of them.

No. you are wrong about why I choose not to argue with you on things. I choose not to argue with you, because you resort to the comments like above. You always have to take it a step to far. If it was just a debate...bring it, I could put numbers down and break things down into proper understandable terms, but I can't be bothered.

There is more to a first liner than just points at ES. There is a huge dropoff from 209(MR) & 251 (NM) points in Colorado and TK's 129 points over the last 2 seasons. How may top teams in the league don't have their #1 line out as the #1 pp in some form? Also, how many of the top lines in the league have 2 centers and a winger playing on the top line? Numbers get skewed all the time.
Yes, I am using the Avs...can't be f*cked to pull up all the teams, but in my opinion, TK is a first liner due to Philly's lack of talent, not due to him being a stud.

Firmly disagree.

These teams have players already in place, and TK is not knocking them out of their spots. On a good team, he is a second liner. Stamkos in Tampa is a second liner tese days...it's not an insult.
- TheFreak

He’s a 1st liner on a lot of teams but a 2nd on a lot of others. It’s not just about contender and non contender. It’s more about the makeup of the forward group on the team.

The Wild aren’t contenders but he’s a 2nd liner there. TK isn’t beating out Kaprizov or
Boldy. Both are natural LWs but a lot of teams do that not really being married to a LW and RW. I would agree with you that he’s a better fit as a 2nd liner.

This was my statement:

In my opinion, TK is not a top liner on most teams. Anything over 6.5-7 million, IN MY OPINION, is an overpay for a second liner. There are certain exceptions to that, but TK is not one of them.

I named the top 10 teams in the league, who have to be considered contenders and I don't think he would play first line on any of them.

No. you are wrong about why I choose not to argue with you on things. I choose not to argue with you, because you resort to the comments like above. You always have to take it a step to far. If it was just a debate...bring it, I could put numbers down and break things down into proper understandable terms, but I can't be bothered.

There is more to a first liner than just points at ES. There is a huge dropoff from 209(MR) & 251 (NM) points in Colorado and TK's 129 points over the last 2 seasons. How may top teams in the league don't have their #1 line out as the #1 pp in some form? Also, how many of the top lines in the league have 2 centers and a winger playing on the top line? Numbers get skewed all the time.
Yes, I am using the Avs...can't be f*cked to pull up all the teams, but in my opinion, TK is a first liner due to Philly's lack of talent, not due to him being a stud.



- TheFreak

You're not making a good argument. If he can put up first line production on a bad team, then he won't on a much better team playing with better overall players in a better situation?
Secondly, you made the first uncalled for comment with stating that you aren't going to argue about it with me. Either argue or don't argue but obviously you were wrong about that also. Konecny is a first liner simply because he put up first line production. I don't think it's a stretch to say that if he plays on a much better team with better players, that production goes up. Especially on the PP. You're also making statements about who he would play with, which is completely unknown. You're also wrong about his playing time being reduced. A player of his caliber is going to get high ice time regardless of what line he plays on and with whom.
You've made how many replies to me but state that you can't be bothered? LOL. You're not on good ground here and you don't have a reasonable argument.
You say he's a not a stud but yet he is top 10 in point production at his position in the league on a bad team! That's just the facts. Proving you wrong with those facts is not taking it a step to far.

Firmly disagree.

These teams have players already in place, and TK is not knocking them out of their spots. On a good team, he is a second liner. Stamkos in Tampa is a second liner tese days...it's not an insult.
- TheFreak

You’re delusional

He’s a 1st liner on a lot of teams but a 2nd on a lot of others. It’s not just about contender and non contender. It’s more about the makeup of the forward group on the team.

The Wild aren’t contenders but he’s a 2nd liner there. TK isn’t beating out Kaprizov or
Boldy. Both are natural LWs but a lot of teams do that not really being married to a LW and RW. I would agree with you that he’s a better fit as a 2nd liner.
- Minnyhock

I am not trying to deny he is a nice player to have, but when I read JD saying $10 per, and build around him...I just don't see it. There are a lot of teams who are just weak at the rw position it seems, and I will give MJL and others that there are more than than I thought where he could fit into a top line role of traditional LW/C/RW roles but to me on a true contender..he is more like a Glen Anderson than a Kurri. A nice piece to have, but not your top line winger.