I am not trying to deny he is a nice player to have, but when I read JD saying $10 per, and build around him...I just don't see it. There are a lot of teams who are just weak at the rw position it seems, and I will give MJL and others that there are more than than I thought where he could fit into a top line role of traditional LW/C/RW roles but to me on a true contender..he is more like a Glen Anderson than a Kurri. A nice piece to have, but not your top line winger.
- TheFreak

First of all, JD said that they shouldn't pay him 10M. Glen Anderson is in the Hall of Fame. A player of Konecny's caliber on a top team is a 35 goal 80+ point player. That's a first line player. Regardless of what line a coach decides to put him on for team balance,

You’re delusional
- ClaudeFather

so who on Colorado or Tampa would TK knock off the top line? Vancouver? Edmonton? Toronto? NJD? NYR? Sure he might be able to make the first line on some teams, but they are just as bad as the Flyers are, and adding a TK wouldn't make sense.

I don't see it. To me, TK is a 7.5 per, second liner. He can fill in on a pinch or to shake things up.

First of all, JD said that they shouldn't pay him 10M. Glen Anderson is in the Hall of Fame. A player of Konecny's caliber on a top team is a 35 goal 80+ point player. That's a first line player. Regardless of what line a coach decides to put him on for team balance,
- MJL

The Anderson reference was more about him being a second liner. But OK..a HOF second liner. So why is it an insult that I think TK is a second liner?

so who on Colorado or Tampa would TK knock off the top line? Vancouver? Edmonton? Toronto? NJD? NYR? Sure he might be able to make the first line on some teams, but they are just as bad as the Flyers are, and adding a TK wouldn't make sense.

I don't see it. To me, TK is a 7.5 per, second liner. He can fill in on a pinch or to shake things up.
- TheFreak

Rantanen would be Colorado's top RW but if Konecny was on that team. You can't picture a scenario where Konecny plays with McKinnon and Rantanen on another line to spread the wealth? Rantanen and McKinnon already play apart a lot. I know that you know this.

The Anderson reference was more about him being a second liner. But OK..a HOF second liner. So why is it an insult that I think TK is a second liner?
- TheFreak

It's not an insult. It's just wrong. A team can have two first line caliber lines and two first line caliber RW's. Look, here you are arguing with me. You're actually stating that Anderson was a 2nd line player. I guess Messier was a 2nd line center.

I am not trying to deny he is a nice player to have, but when I read JD saying $10 per, and build around him...I just don't see it. There are a lot of teams who are just weak at the rw position it seems, and I will give MJL and others that there are more than than I thought where he could fit into a top line role of traditional LW/C/RW roles but to me on a true contender..he is more like a Glen Anderson than a Kurri. A nice piece to have, but not your top line winger.
- TheFreak

I think many teams build lines by 2s. Two guys have a certain chemistry and the 3rd guy brings something different. As good as TK is, I don’t see him being the best winger on many teams. Without getting into deep analysis I think most teams build around him on the 2nd line.

I think many teams build lines by 2s. Two guys have a certain chemistry and the 3rd guy brings something different. As good as TK is, I don’t see him being the best winger on many teams. Without getting into deep analysis I think most teams build around him on the 2nd line.
- Minnyhock

He's a top 10 scoring RW in the NHL. Which means he would be the best player at his position on the majority of NHL teams.

He's a top 10 scoring RW in the NHL. Which means he would be the best player at his position on the majority of NHL teams.
- MJL

Like I said earlier, he’s a top 60 forward. Teams aren’t so rigid about LW/RW. Many players can play both wings. It’s more about a 3 man unit. I doubt many GMs are getting TK and automatically penciling him in on the 1st line. More like a necessity if he’s the best you have.

so who on Colorado or Tampa would TK knock off the top line? Vancouver? Edmonton? Toronto? NJD? NYR? Sure he might be able to make the first line on some teams, but they are just as bad as the Flyers are, and adding a TK wouldn't make sense.

I don't see it. To me, TK is a 7.5 per, second liner. He can fill in on a pinch or to shake things up.
- TheFreak

Colorado- he replaces Lehkonen
Tampa- Hagel
Vancouver- better than all of their wingers except maybe Boeser
Edmonton- TK out produced all of their wings except Hyman

TK out produced at least 1 player on each of these teams 1st lines this season. Doing so while playing without a top center. Put him with a top center and he’s a 40/40/80 caliber player. He’s a legitimate 1st line player and most teams would love to have him. Nobody disagrees that the Flyers should not give him $9m+ on a long term deal. The smarter move is trading him. Not just to avoid the long term deal but also because he could bring back a larger return that could really help the rebuild.

He's going to get that no matter where he goes.
- MJL

Maybe maybe not. Nice weather, new franchise that has some good young talent....the Utah women. Lots of reasons

Guentzel has a say in that. Why would he want to go there?
- MJL

-Money, Utah can afford under the cap
-A fairly low flat tax rate
-Salt Lake City is beautiful and vibrant

It all depends on what JG prioritizes. Chances at a Cup or the above.

First of all, JD said that they shouldn't pay him 10M. Glen Anderson is in the Hall of Fame. A player of Konecny's caliber on a top team is a 35 goal 80+ point player. That's a first line player. Regardless of what line a coach decides to put him on for team balance,
- MJL

the point total is an assumption.

let's say it is a true assumption. add in he is a top 10 nhl winger. shouldn't he then be paid accordingly? so is 10 million per really that out of line?

Like I said earlier, he’s a top 60 forward. Teams aren’t so rigid about LW/RW. Many players can play both wings. It’s more about a 3 man unit. I doubt many GMs are getting TK and automatically penciling him in on the 1st line. More like a necessity if he’s the best you have.
- Minnyhock

I have no idea what you guys are looking at. There are 32 teams in the league. Two wingers on every top line. That makes 64 wingers needed to make up a top line. Konecny scored 33 goals last year. Only 15 wingers in the league scored more goals than Konecny. Only 19 wingers scored more points than Konecny. Somehow though, you're stating that NHL GM's are not looking at him as a top line player. That he's just somehow a necessity and a fall back if that is all you have. He's somehow on the fringe of the top line. Doesn't add up.

Maybe maybe not. Nice weather, new franchise that has some good young talent....the Utah women. Lots of reasons
- hfc355

A player like Guentzel wants to win. The Utah women. LOL

It's not an insult. It's just wrong. A team can have two first line caliber lines and two first line caliber RW's. Look, here you are arguing with me. You're actually stating that Anderson was a 2nd line player. I guess Messier was a 2nd line center.
- MJL

On those Oiler teams, he was, so was Messier. That is my point. TK wouldn't be a first liner on those top teams.

On those Oiler teams, he was, so was Messier. That is my point. TK wouldn't be a first liner on those top teams.
- TheFreak

No, he wasn't. That team had so many elite players, hall of Fame players that they had more than one top line. Messier was a frequent 100 point player. A perennial all star, a Conn Smythe winner and a Hart trophy winner and you're trying to say he was a 2nd line player all to try and support a really bad opinion. Again, you don't know what line a coach would choose to play Konecny on.

No, he wasn't. That team had so many elite players, hall of Fame players that they had more than one top line. Messier was a frequent 100 point player. A perennial all star, a Conn Smythe winner and a Hart trophy winner and you're trying to say he was a 2nd line player all to try and support a really bad opinion. Again, you don't know what line a coach would choose to play Konecny on.
- MJL

and neither do you.

Being a second line winger is not a bad thing on a team.

TK would not be one of the first 90 forwards in the league I would choose to be on my team if I could pick anyone to build a team.

He probably wouldn't be top 120 for me, and that says a lot.

and neither do you.

Being a second line winger is not a bad thing on a team.

TK would not be one of the first 90 forwards in the league I would choose to be on my team if I could pick anyone to build a team.

He probably wouldn't be top 120 for me, and that says a lot.
- TheFreak

You're right, I don't. Which is why instead of using speculation to determine if Konecny is a 1st line NHL player, as you are. I'm using the known facts and his level of production in comparison to other NHL players. Your latter comments don't say anything other than you have some kind of bias.

A player like Guentzel wants to win. The Utah women. LOL
- MJL

he already won; he wants the bag of cash. Carolina is a top team yet he looks like he is walking. why?

https://x.com/KKurzNHL/st...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

On those Oiler teams, he was, so was Messier. That is my point. TK wouldn't be a first liner on those top teams.
- TheFreak

We are debating semantics here.

Messier is a 1st line level talent. As is Draisaitl, Malkin, Fedorov, and countless other players who didn't play on their teams first line because of depth.

Where they play in the lineup doesn't matter. It's silly to suggest otherwise because of some internet pissing contest.

A player like Guentzel wants to win. The Utah women. LOL
- MJL

Sister wives?