Big Macs cost $10, so expect Woll to get $4m and Marner to get $13m.

Inflation is hitting everything.

Heh heh I haven't heard someone call weed corn for a while.
- Zezel

no, really, it's corn my son planted, my weed plant is ok.

That sounds terribly high.

Woll has 38 career NHL starts, including the playoffs. 23 of those are considered quality starts (.900 save percentage or better). His QS% of 60.5% is better than the league average of 54.1%, but it's such a small sample size.

Comparably, Knight had 51 NHL starts - but he was drafted 13th overall - but signed a $4.5m x 3 year deal. Kochetkov signed a $2m x 4 year deal with 26 NHL starts (QS% of 57.7%).

Binnington and Hill had won cups. Oettinger had 77 NHL starts and had posted an solid QS% of 59.7%.

I still feel like I wouldn't be offering Woll more than a 1 year show-me deal because I don't believe he can stay healthy and I still don't know if he can handle the workload associated with a $3.5 - $4m deal.

That said the Flyers just gave Fedotov $3.275 x 2 and he has 3 NHL starts and sucked.
- Monkeypunk

Gustavsson (same age) had ~60 games, went to arb, settled on 3 x 3.75.

Sounds like Woll is essentially doing the same. Most of the comps seem pretty on-point considering they're locking up 2 UFA years.

Sure, they could have waited another year but if they believe in him then better to avoid a more costly signing next summer when he'd only have 1 yr left (and arb rights) - so he'd have all the leverage.

Big Macs cost $10, so expect Woll to get $4m and Marner to get $13m.

Inflation is hitting everything.
- GalacticStone

that's just for the burger.
medium fries $4
medium soda or soft drink $3

yup that Big Mac combo is looking like $17.

good thing you do not need to tip McD. just the uber delivery person

that's just for the burger.
medium fries $4
medium soda or soft drink $3

yup that Big Mac combo is looking like $17.

good thing you do need to tip McD. just the uber delivery person
- dmnted

Yup. $2-3 more and I can have Five Guys, which is much higher quality.

McDonalds and corporate fast food screwed themselves by elevating their prices dangerously close to that of quality, higher-tier food.

The only thing McD's had going for it was being cheap. Same for Burger King, Taco Bell, and all the rest.

Edit : the Big Mac combo here is $10.99 and super-sizing it is another $1.99 I think. I don't know, it's been a while since I ordered it. I just know that it costs the wife and me over $20 to have poopty fast food now. We usually spring the extra $5 to get Culvers or Five Guys and we do that a lot less often than we used to.

That sounds terribly high.

Woll has 38 career NHL starts, including the playoffs. 23 of those are considered quality starts (.900 save percentage or better). His QS% of 60.5% is better than the league average of 54.1%, but it's such a small sample size.

Comparably, Knight had 51 NHL starts - but he was drafted 13th overall - but signed a $4.5m x 3 year deal. Kochetkov signed a $2m x 4 year deal with 26 NHL starts (QS% of 57.7%).

Binnington and Hill had won cups. Oettinger had 77 NHL starts and had posted an solid QS% of 59.7%.

I still feel like I wouldn't be offering Woll more than a 1 year show-me deal because I don't believe he can stay healthy and I still don't know if he can handle the workload associated with a $3.5 - $4m deal.

That said the Flyers just gave Fedotov $3.275 x 2 and he has 3 NHL starts and sucked.
- Monkeypunk

Flyers are absolutely franked at goalie.

Leafs aren't quite as franked, but we are still quite franked.

It's all about leverage - especially when franking.

Yup. $2-3 more and I can have Five Guys, which is much higher quality.

McDonalds and corporate fast food screwed themselves by elevating their prices dangerously close to that of quality, higher-tier food.

The only thing McD's had going for it was being cheap. Same for Burger King, Taco Bell, and all the rest.
- GalacticStone

this burger talk this close to lunchtime is making crave one

If they felt he was a sure thing and they felt that Liljegren was just not going to be a part of our future here, then it might not be a bad deal, if again, the assessment of what's available in 20-30 isn't that great.

It's a lot of guesswork, but McGroarty, by all accounts, is an NHL ready player. He's solid and has excelled at the WJC and in the NCAA. He's still a kid, but he's an excellent PP and PK option as well for his teams. I was trying to remember and couldn't so I gave it a quick Google - the guys they say he plays like are Blake Coleman or Zach Hyman.

You'd give up a 1st and Liljegren for a young Zach Hyman - if he were already at the 25yo version of himself at age 21 - similarly, peak Coleman was a guy who was capable of 25 goals. So probably worth it?

I think the question really is - how long would it take him to get to where they'd need him to be? Coleman was 26 when he became impactful; Hyman, I'd likely argue, was 25.
- Monkeypunk

Why the frank are we talking about McGroarty?

Unless they plan on switching him to defence, he's not what we need to give away assets for.

Big Macs cost $10, so expect Woll to get $4m and Marner to get $13m.

Inflation is hitting everything.
- GalacticStone

McDonalds is no longer cheap.

I ordered a quarter pounder meal there a couple of months ago, and IIRC it was about $16-17 CDN.

Insane.

Edit: Dmentsie has already covered this.

Damn.

Flyers are absolutely franked at goalie.

Leafs aren't quite as franked, but we are still quite franked.

It's all about leverage - especially when franking.
- Atomic Wedgie

So, what does a guy like Carter Hart do while he's waiting for this legal situation to come to a resolution? If he's innocent and believes he will be exonerated, does he keep working out on his own time and dime to stay relatively close to being in game shape? Or, does he know his career in the NHL is toast and he's just making plans to sell insurance after he gets out of prison?

Presumably the guy could play overseas in the KHL once his legal obligations are concluded.

So, what does a guy like Carter Hart do while he's waiting for this legal situation to come to a resolution? If he's innocent and believes he will be exonerated, does he keep working out on his own time and dime to stay relatively close to being in game shape? Or, does he know his career in the NHL is toast and he's just making plans to sell insurance after he gets out of prison?

Presumably the guy could play overseas in the KHL once his legal obligations are concluded.
- GalacticStone

You absolutely have to continue to work out.

He could try to find a junior or college team to work out with, but that might be very, very hard.

Maybe an NHL alumni pickup game - very quiet, no bad press.

And for many reasons, I wouldn't assume prison time or even a guilty verdict.

And I don't care how desperate I am, there's no way I'm going to play in the KHL.

Hmmmmm, I wonder how many North Americans are there this year? Seems awfully risky. I'll see if I can google that up.

Woll at 3m-4m cap hit seems like a bit of an overpay for him considering his injury history. If he could stay healthy, no doubt it could be a very good deal.

I am a bit surprised thats what they paid him considering everything.

If they felt he was a sure thing and they felt that Liljegren was just not going to be a part of our future here, then it might not be a bad deal, if again, the assessment of what's available in 20-30 isn't that great.

It's a lot of guesswork, but McGroarty, by all accounts, is an NHL ready player. He's solid and has excelled at the WJC and in the NCAA. He's still a kid, but he's an excellent PP and PK option as well for his teams. I was trying to remember and couldn't so I gave it a quick Google - the guys they say he plays like are Blake Coleman or Zach Hyman.

You'd give up a 1st and Liljegren for a young Zach Hyman - if he were already at the 25yo version of himself at age 21 - similarly, peak Coleman was a guy who was capable of 25 goals. So probably worth it?

I think the question really is - how long would it take him to get to where they'd need him to be? Coleman was 26 when he became impactful; Hyman, I'd likely argue, was 25.
- Monkeypunk

The Athletic compared him to Tyler Toffoli.

McGroarty is a highly-skilled winger who is a threat inside the offensive zone because of his very good puck skills, shot and vision. He can make a lot of plays with finesse, but also is highly competitive. He forces a lot of turnovers, wins a good number of battles and can create around the hard areas of the offensive zone. The knock on McGroarty historically has been his skating. He has an awkward stride that lacks ideal balance and mechanics, but he has enough quickness to be able to play in the NHL. He projects as a top-nine winger with the potential to play much higher in a lineup if the skating holds up well enough.

Thoughts on the pick: McGroarty became a favorite as the season progressed due to his tremendous compete level to go with legit skill and scoring ability. He will provide size, hardness and a major net-front weapon for the Jets system.

And I don't care how desperate I am, there's no way I'm going to play in the KHL.

Hmmmmm, I wonder how many North Americans are there this year? Seems awfully risky. I'll see if I can google that up.
- Atomic Wedgie

According to Quant Hockey, a helluva lot more than I expected:

https://www.quanthockey.c...layers-2023-24-stats.html

58 Canadians

23 Americans

Why the frank are we talking about McGroarty?

Unless they plan on switching him to defence, he's not what we need to give away assets for.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think we'll be trading $$ and cap space for Dmen on July 1. Going to be an expensive day.

Why the frank are we talking about McGroarty?

Unless they plan on switching him to defence, he's not what we need to give away assets for.
- Atomic Wedgie

Because our forward depth also sucks? We have 2 centres (one of which isn't much of a centre anymore) and 2 RW and an offensive defenseman. We have hope for Knies, Cowan, Robertson (I have less hope for than some) and Woll.

They need cheap everything if they are going to keep overpaying these guys. Now next year with Tavares off the books and maybe even Marner, things shift a little.

But I'll agree with you on this point: If the 24OA pick could be used in a trade to improve the D, that would take priority.

The Athletic compared him to Tyler Toffoli.

McGroarty is a highly-skilled winger who is a threat inside the offensive zone because of his very good puck skills, shot and vision. He can make a lot of plays with finesse, but also is highly competitive. He forces a lot of turnovers, wins a good number of battles and can create around the hard areas of the offensive zone. The knock on McGroarty historically has been his skating. He has an awkward stride that lacks ideal balance and mechanics, but he has enough quickness to be able to play in the NHL. He projects as a top-nine winger with the potential to play much higher in a lineup if the skating holds up well enough.

Thoughts on the pick: McGroarty became a favorite as the season progressed due to his tremendous compete level to go with legit skill and scoring ability. He will provide size, hardness and a major net-front weapon for the Jets system.
- The Law

Other than him being the shiny new toy on the shelf, why the frank would we be interested in him?

He's not what we need right now.

The Athletic compared him to Tyler Toffoli.

McGroarty is a highly-skilled winger who is a threat inside the offensive zone because of his very good puck skills, shot and vision. He can make a lot of plays with finesse, but also is highly competitive. He forces a lot of turnovers, wins a good number of battles and can create around the hard areas of the offensive zone. The knock on McGroarty historically has been his skating. He has an awkward stride that lacks ideal balance and mechanics, but he has enough quickness to be able to play in the NHL. He projects as a top-nine winger with the potential to play much higher in a lineup if the skating holds up well enough.

Thoughts on the pick: McGroarty became a favorite as the season progressed due to his tremendous compete level to go with legit skill and scoring ability. He will provide size, hardness and a major net-front weapon for the Jets system.
- The Law

Huh. I will say that this isn't something I associate with Toffoli.

Because our forward depth also sucks? We have 2 centres (one of which isn't much of a centre anymore) and 2 RW and an offensive defenseman. We have hope for Knies, Cowan, Robertson (I have less hope for than some) and Woll.

They need cheap everything if they are going to keep overpaying these guys. Now next year with Tavares off the books and maybe even Marner, things shift a little.

But I'll agree with you on this point: If the 24OA pick could be used in a trade to improve the D, that would take priority.
- Monkeypunk

And Minten.

There's only so many of these young, inexperienced guys on the lineup.

Let's continue to sign vets looking to rehabilitate their NHL value, and get a defenceman (if you do decide to trade the pick, which I absolutely would not do).

new blog everyone

According to Quant Hockey, a helluva lot more than I expected:

https://www.quanthockey.c...layers-2023-24-stats.html

58 Canadians

23 Americans
- Atomic Wedgie

Surprised to see ex-Lightning Cedric Paquette playing over there. And a 20+ goal scorer at that. Says a lot about KHL goaltending. The guy is not known for his shot.

Why the frank are we talking about McGroarty?

Unless they plan on switching him to defence, he's not what we need to give away assets for.
- Atomic Wedgie

If you can fill top 6 spots cheaply (speculation is that he could play in the second line C spot sooner rather later), you’ve got more $ to spend on D.

Wtf?
Hope that number is off
He has 36 career nhl games.
He should in the 2- 2.5m per range.
- Fakepartofme

This extension is after this season

no, really, it's corn my son planted, my weed plant is ok.
- dmnted

Whew, thank God.

So, what does a guy like Carter Hart do while he's waiting for this legal situation to come to a resolution? If he's innocent and believes he will be exonerated, does he keep working out on his own time and dime to stay relatively close to being in game shape? Or, does he know his career in the NHL is toast and he's just making plans to sell insurance after he gets out of prison?

Presumably the guy could play overseas in the KHL once his legal obligations are concluded.
- GalacticStone

They may have conditions (no travel) on their bail and I think they'd prefer to stay low and keep quiet for the year.