Waiting out Vegas to include Krebs was also why the trade took so long to complete.
- kingcong39

Right?

If It was easy to go back on this site and pull up old blogs. The discussion for several months was that any trade with Vegas has to include Peyton Krebs.

How do we know the Sabres are going anywhere anytime soon?

I'd trust the Wild over the Sabres.

They don't have a decade plus long run of ineptitude.
- kingcong39

The idea that a team that made the playoffs is a write off since they lost, while justifying any move Adams has made to be successful is an odd one.

- kingcong39

a lengthy injury to tage and quinn and its a top 10 lottery pick in 25

I didn't say they were, but I'd bet any money on them being closer than either of those teams are right now. Especially the Islanders.

Look at it another way. I know a lot of people are in the "do whatever it takes to get into the playoffs now" camp. I wouldn't join that camp if it meant playing how those teams play. It really covers up mediocre rosters. I want to do whatever it takes to build a sustained run. I wouldn't trade places with either team right now, drought or not.

On top of all of that, those teams are unwatchable.
- Slump Buster

I'll agree on watching a boring style of play.

I cannot agree on choosing a team comprised of core players who have never made the playoffs over a collection of players who have.

Can't do that when it's been a dozen plus years of ineptitude.

I get what you are saying, but Mitts had showed signs of life.
- Slump Buster

Mitts wasn't playing with Boat Anchors 75% of the time either

Right?

If It was easy to go back on this site and pull up old blogs. The discussion for several months was that any trade with Vegas has to include Peyton Krebs.
- ImThatGuy

Tuch bailed Adams on that trade

How many GM's think they can wait him out and pick up roster players for cheap when they start demanding trades after Christmas this coming season?

Do you trust GMME to make quality trades?
- washedup20

you mean GMMFE

can’t even with you today

7 first round picks, only 3 are on the team with one being a 1st overall.

1 pick outside the 1st round on the team.

The facts regarding his entire plan to build through the draft resulted in failure and now he is trying to shift from that plan by moving these prospects and now the 11thOA.

Do the math on his draft success, that fact might adjust your assumption that drafting is a strength.

I think you and I have different standards of what we believe to be quality.
- washedup20

So lets get this straight - you are penalizing him because his draft picks are (checks notes) still ascending in the minors? Do you listen to yourself? This isn't football where people come right into the league. I know you know this, but again, you spin it to fit the argument.

Of all of the first and second round draft picks, who isn't trending up? Maybe Palpatov and Kisakov in the second round a few years back? You can nitpick and say that he drafted too many of the same body type, but that's about it.

Of course, never mind that most prospect ratings have us in the top 5 (and many at #1). Its a failure because more 19 and 20 year olds haven't made the big club yet.

(head hits desk)

Mitts wasn't playing with Boat Anchors 75% of the time either
- Buff36

greenway and benson to start the year

skinner and tuch when tage was dinged up

with cozens for a stretch

empty net points with skinner and krebs

And as with so many other things in your world, you can't argue facts. I'll happily criticize him for things he has or hasn't done. He has what looks to be a great record in drafting and I can't find a trade that has been bad. Greenway might not be your cup of tea, but he is a solid 3rd liner and very good PK for the cost of a pick at the bottom of the second round. That isn't bad value at all.
- Slump Buster

All of Kevyn Adams trades 2022 + 2023:

Sell Robert Haag
Buy Ben Bishop
Cecconi for Laaksonen

End of 2022 trades (actually incredible that's all he did)

Stillman for Bloom
Portillo for a 3rd
Anders bjork trade away for nothing
Priskie for Strand
Greenway for a 2nd and 5th
Asplund for nothing
Lyubushkin for a 4th
Collin Robinson for nothing

(End 2023 trades)

I mean holy hell, Adams basically did nothing for 2 years.

7 first round picks, only 3 are on the team with one being a 1st overall.

1 pick outside the 1st round on the team.

The facts regarding his entire plan to build through the draft resulted in failure and now he is trying to shift from that plan by moving these prospects and now the 11thOA.

Do the math on his draft success, that fact might adjust your assumption that drafting is a strength.

I think you and I have different standards of what we believe to be quality.
- washedup20

Hit on his first 2 picks in 2020. Other 3 pick that year were 5th and two 7ths.

Wont count Power. Rosen yet to see what he'll be. The time is now though. second round in 21 left a lot to be desired. Took Novikov in the 6th though.

2022 should see what we have out of the first round pretty soon. Neuchev could be solid will need another year to adjust then maybe he comes up. Komorov taken in the 5th.

2023 looks to be a solid draft for them. Could have 3-4 guys hit.


They've done a good job IMO. Improve on their second round picks is about all I have to complain about. They've found some solid players in the later rounds, see what they become.

greenway and benson to start the year

skinner and tuch when tage was dinged up

with cozens for a stretch

empty net points with skinner and krebs
- homiedclown

Was our best line the first few weeks.....

a lengthy injury to tage and quinn and its a top 10 lottery pick in 25
- homiedclown

I know that I am giving Adams credit here that he hasn't earned, but I'd like to think that IF he is going all-in this year that he wouldn't do what he did last year (which was nothing). Also, I don't think such an injury would be as disastrous as it was last year because the bottom 6 *should* be better than it was last year.

(that said, I'll lose my mind if Girgs is re-signed)

a lengthy injury to tage and quinn and its a top 10 lottery pick in 25
- homiedclown

Suppose to be a generational draft

I know that I am giving Adams credit here that he hasn't earned, but I'd like to think that IF he is going all-in this year that he wouldn't do what he did last year (which was nothing). Also, I don't think such an injury would be as disastrous as it was last year because the bottom 6 *should* be better than it was last year.

(that said, I'll lose my mind if Girgs is re-signed)
- Slump Buster

Girgensons was already offered a contract extension.

He hasn't accepted yet.

you mean GMMFE

can’t even with you today
- Jet Jaguar BD

Hit on his first 2 picks in 2020. Other 3 pick that year were 5th and two 7ths.

Wont count Power. Rosen yet to see what he'll be. The time is now though. second round in 21 left a lot to be desired. Took Novikov in the 6th though.

2022 should see what we have out of the first round pretty soon. Neuchev could be solid will need another year to adjust then maybe he comes up. Komorov taken in the 5th.

2023 looks to be a solid draft for them. Could have 3-4 guys hit.


They've done a good job IMO. Improve on their second round picks is about all I have to complain about. They've found some solid players in the later rounds, see what they become.
- DirtyDan

Substitute the names with other teams prospects and you could write the same exact thing, line for line.

Every fan base thinks that they have amazing prospects.

Yes, the Sabres may have a higher quantity of them, but it’s amounted to Jack poop so far

All of Kevyn Adams trades 2022 + 2023:

Sell Robert Haag
Buy Ben Bishop
Cecconi for Laaksonen

End of 2022 trades (actually incredible that's all he did)

Stillman for Bloom
Portillo for a 3rd
Anders bjork trade away for nothing
Priskie for Strand
Greenway for a 2nd and 5th
Asplund for nothing
Lyubushkin for a 4th
Collin Robinson for nothing

(End 2023 trades)

I mean holy hell, Adams basically did nothing for 2 years.
- Hank Balling

That's right, but that wasn't the point. The point is that I don't think we have any reason to think that he will make bad trades. I think we all fear no trades, or not enough trades.
I mean, look at the people on that list. I think he did well on the "real" trades, and you mentioned none of those. These moves were just moving junk around the deck.

I know that I am giving Adams credit here that he hasn't earned, but I'd like to think that IF he is going all-in this year that he wouldn't do what he did last year (which was nothing). Also, I don't think such an injury would be as disastrous as it was last year because the bottom 6 *should* be better than it was last year.

(that said, I'll lose my mind if Girgs is re-signed)
- Slump Buster

What is All in ? In your opinion

Substitute the names with other teams prospects and you could write the same exact thing, line for line.

Every fan base thinks that they have amazing prospects.

Yes, the Sabres may have a higher quantity of them, but it’s amounted to Jack poop so far
- ImThatGuy

And now you've moved the goalposts. I said that he has done well at drafting, and all signs indicate the they have. That's all we can do now. You're the one that said he hasn't drafted well.

So lets get this straight - you are penalizing him because his draft picks are (checks notes) still ascending in the minors? Do you listen to yourself? This isn't football where people come right into the league. I know you know this, but again, you spin it to fit the argument.

Of all of the first and second round draft picks, who isn't trending up? Maybe Palpatov and Kisakov in the second round a few years back? You can nitpick and say that he drafted too many of the same body type, but that's about it.

Of course, never mind that most prospect ratings have us in the top 5 (and many at #1). Its a failure because more 19 and 20 year olds haven't made the big club yet.

(head hits desk)
- Slump Buster

What is more valuable to an NHL GM, Rosen or the Sabres 25' 1st round pick.

If Adams doesn't trade the 11th overall, why will that prospect shoot to the top of the list?

Ascending prospects are irrelevant if they are not providing for the NHL team.

The Sabres have had top 5 prospect pools for the last decade +, I find it fascinating that people still value this narrative that the prospects are good for the NHL team.

What is All in ? In your opinion
- Buff36

I think "all-in" means at least the following:

- Ehlers, or comparable 2nd line winger
- Strome, Jimmy Hayes or a comparable 3C
- Dowd or comparable 4C
- A couple heavy wingers like Carrier

This has to be do-able, and needs to be done.

What is more valuable to an NHL GM, Rosen or the Sabres 25' 1st round pick.

If Adams doesn't trade the 11th overall, why will that prospect shoot to the top of the list?

Ascending prospects are irrelevant if they are not providing for the NHL team.

The Sabres have had top 5 prospect pools for the last decade +, I find it fascinating that people still value this narrative that the prospects are good for the NHL team.
- washedup20

And the goalposts move again. We are talking about the last 4 drafts. The statement was that - as far as we can tell right now - they have drafted well.
Adams the GM hasn't done a good job moving prospects for help - that's a different question. But all one can do with 19 year olds is hope that they continue to ascend in the hopes that they make the big club or can be used as trade bait.

Substitute the names with other teams prospects and you could write the same exact thing, line for line.

Every fan base thinks that they have amazing prospects.

Yes, the Sabres may have a higher quantity of them, but it’s amounted to Jack poop so far
- ImThatGuy

Well yeah, like it's been said on this page... Its not the NFL. Players take time to develop after being drafted in this league.

And the goalposts move again. We are talking about the last 4 drafts. The statement was that - as far as we can tell right now - they have drafted well.
Adams the GM hasn't done a good job moving prospects for help - that's a different question. But all one can do with 19 year olds is hope that they continue to ascend in the hopes that they make the big club or can be used as trade bait.
- Slump Buster

What?

Adams is good because hope still lingers with the prospects...bro check your hairline.