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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 11:17 AM ET
I don’t deal with hypotheticals. The reality is, ND is here. People wanted him to sit and so he did sit. Not hard to understand.

I love that you care so much what others think though.

- roenick97

No, you Franking idiot. They want him waived, not sat. Now go get the cheese for the lunch rush, get back to work.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 27 @ 11:19 AM ET
There will be stars in other drafts. I don’t see a reason to go crazy this year when I think there is a very good chance this team picks higher next draft. Moving Foerster seems like going all in way too early in what I hope is a rebuild.
- psuhockey


This is a great point. Next years draft is significantly deeper at C and they need to keep some assets in order to make moves next summer too. The ‘24 draft is the year to move up and get a potential 1D. Next year is the year to get a 1C.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 27 @ 11:21 AM ET
No, you Franking idiot. They want him waived, not sat. Now go get the cheese for the lunch rush, get back to work.
- ClaudeFather

Every time you used the words “people are laughing at you because…” or “go back and read [enter name’s] post” is a sign that, you can’t make an argument on your own. You need the approval of others.

I love that you have to make up certain ideas of me to make yourself feel better about yourself. Signs of a strong minded person.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 27 @ 11:21 AM ET
“Prices weren’t met and we like our team. Now watch me sign TK to this mega extension.”

AI GM DB
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jun 27 @ 11:21 AM ET
Ryan Suter bought out....AGAIN
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 11:22 AM ET
Every time you used the words “people are laughing at you because…” or “go back and read
- roenick97[enter name’s] post” is a sign that, you can’t make an argument on your own. You need the approval of others.

I was the first one to call out your stupidity, others followed. Enjoy the lunch rush.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 11:22 AM ET
Ryan Suter bought out....AGAIN
- mickel25

Guy is rolling in money.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 27 @ 11:22 AM ET
The problem is they don’t think they’re going to be picking early again.

Re-read Bill’s blog. He’s pretty much confirming they’re trying to bring TK back.

Same mistakes as last time. They should’ve bottomed out and got G great players around him. Instead we settled for Voracek and Simmonds, which is maybe what TK falls under. He can’t even put up numbers like Jake tho. Same old same old.

- hereticpride


That’s because he doesn’t have G as his center. TK would put up more points right now if he had a linemate on G’s level like Jake did back then. Jake only put up 2 seasons over 70 pts and they were both done at the age TK is now and older. So the comparison fits.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 27 @ 11:24 AM ET
I was the first one to call out your stupidity, others followed. Enjoy the lunch rush.
- ClaudeFather

So you were the first to disagree with me? Why does that matter? What’s stupid is, your lack of understanding that you can’t wish a player away. He’s here and that’s a fact you seem to be struggling with.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 27 @ 11:26 AM ET
I agree they should bottom out but they won’t do it. There is no point in keep talking about it because it will never happen. Luckily the talent level on the defense and goaltending isn’t good enough for this team to be any good. I don’t think they will be picking top 5 next year but I won’t be shocked if they did. I think more than likely 7. Can they get a Demidov like talent at 7 in next years draft or trade up a couple of spots instead of 8 like they would have to this year.
- psuhockey


The hope is that a few teams below them improve. NJ should be better next season. Improved in net and if they stay healthy should easily be a playoff team. Hopefully Buffalo or Ottawa can finally improve. Maybe even Columbus with a full year of Fantilli a new coach, Jiricek with another year of development. Even if Flyers don’t make any significant changes that should have them down into the top 10. Though I agree not top 5.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 27 @ 11:26 AM ET
So you were the first to disagree with me? Why does that matter? What’s stupid is, your lack of understanding that you can’t wish a player away. He’s here and that’s a fact you seem to be struggling with.
- roenick97

The dumbest of the dumb. You really are. Do you understand that if he was waived, which they won’t do , they could open up another roster spot on the big club for another player. A younger player.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 27 @ 11:29 AM ET
The dumbest of the dumb. You really are. Do you understand that if he was waived, which they won’t do , they could open up another roster spot on the big club for another player. A younger player.
- ClaudeFather

Okay, so if the Flyers won’t waive ND and you know they won’t waive ND, what do you think the next step is in the reality of the situation regarding ND?
Uncle Vanya
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.20.2024

Jun 27 @ 11:41 AM ET
“Prices weren’t met and we like our team. Now watch me sign TK to this mega extension.”

AI GM DB

- StepfordSam

Quetzalcoatl
Location: Buffalo Sabres / Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 12.02.2009

Jun 27 @ 11:50 AM ET
I’d rather have ND sitting than another, younger player who needs to see the ice to develop.

Sit ND and have him play the occasional game for short term injuries and rests, young guys not in the starting lineup go to LHV until a longer term injury opens up a starting spot or they earn a spot with their AHL play.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 27 @ 11:56 AM ET

Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jun 27 @ 12:02 PM ET
Isn't their a chance Demidov could go 2nd? I know Lushynov could be their guy but I don't think the 2nd overall is nailed down.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 27 @ 12:28 PM ET
Every time you used the words “people are laughing at you because…” or “go back and read
- roenick97[enter name’s] post” is a sign that, you can’t make an argument on your own. You need the approval of others.

I love that you have to make up certain ideas of me to make yourself feel better about yourself. Signs of a strong minded person.

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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 12:30 PM ET
The Flyers are the only team in the NHL that can give TK an 8 year deal. So TK has no leverage to force the Flyers to give him an 8 year deal. It is TKs last big contract, but for the Flyers he will be a 2nd line RW if Michkov develops as hoped, and I think that will put a wrench in the nogotiations.
- jd250



Just when I think you've hit rock bottom and can't get any dumber, you prove me wrong. His leverage is saying, I want an 8 year deal or I walk in free agency after next season. LOL. Now when they trade him, he can get an 8 year deal from that team.

With Michkov coming over, is Konecny no longer the face of the franchise that you claimed he was?
Jkrgoflyers
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jun 27 @ 12:45 PM ET
Could we trade back a few spots and take Hage?
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 27 @ 12:46 PM ET
The Demidov idea is fun to kick around, but it’ll get a little too expensive.

I also am not so sure of trying to make a center out of a wing in MM, but I’ll admit I don’t have the foggiest. Maybe he thrives. I’d rather let a specialty player go out there and do his thing. Go be, y’know, special. However I will say that as much as people wanna compare him to a future Kaprizov or Kucherov, I see more flashes of Datsyuk play style. He’s squirrelly with the puck and tough to knock off a play. Really impressive vision and reads the ice well. Great stick handling and determination with where he wants to go and incredible improv at finishing. Now that’s a center.


Still, I think the smarter move is to go actually just wait. Chill. Wait to see how the first 6 picks or so shake out and then read the room. You’ll know then if you can cheaply move up just a couple of spots and get a real center like Catton or Iginla. They’ll be much more valuable to a guy like MM. A true center. Although I do think the latter ends up a Flame.

You might get lucky and know that moving up won’t be required at all. Just wait to see if a reasonable deal can be made for a slight bump, or take Helenius instead. I’d be perfectly happy if a defenseman falls there, too.

There’s not a huge talent gap between 7-12 right now, so don’t go giving away talent unless your heart it set on someone being a future star.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 27 @ 12:49 PM ET
Chychryn as we know will be a UFA at the end of the season. His cap hit is 4.6 million, but his salary will be 6 million. The blueline market for the last deadline did not yield great returns. Walker was probably the best- 1st rd in '25, but retaining Johansen's salary. Curious if OTT is willing to pay over half his salary this season to gamble getting a better return.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 27 @ 12:51 PM ET
Could we trade back a few spots and take Hage?
- Jkrgoflyers

Doesn’t make sense to move back imo. But if they really like him and think he’s the answer then I guess.

If anything I’d rather move up for a more highly rated prospect
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:00 PM ET
The Demidov idea is fun to kick around, but it’ll get a little too expensive.

I also am not so sure of trying to make a center out of a wing in MM, but I’ll admit I don’t have the foggiest. Maybe he thrives. I’d rather let a specialty player go out there and do his thing. Go be, y’know, special. However I will say that as much as people wanna compare him to a future Kaprizov or Kucherov, I see more flashes of Datsyuk play style. He’s squirrelly with the puck and tough to knock off a play. Really impressive vision and reads the ice well. Great stick handling and determination with where he wants to go and incredible improv at finishing. Now that’s a center.


Still, I think the smarter move is to go actually just wait. Chill. Wait to see how the first 6 picks or so shake out and then read the room. You’ll know then if you can cheaply move up just a couple of spots and get a real center like Catton or Iginla. They’ll be much more valuable to a guy like MM. A true center. Although I do think the latter ends up a Flame.

You might get lucky and know that moving up won’t be required at all. Just wait to see if a reasonable deal can be made for a slight bump, or take Helenius instead. I’d be perfectly happy if a defenseman falls there, too.

There’s not a huge talent gap between 7-12 right now, so don’t go giving away talent unless your heart it set on someone being a future star.

- Hesh_

Iginla is likely going to end up playing wing wherever he ends up. He switched to that position this year and that’s when his numbers took off. He was largely projected as more of a mid to late 1st round prospect before that.

He was originally my choice but after hearing about the move I would stay away, nothing against him. Flyers’ need at center is just too big
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 27 @ 1:00 PM ET
There’s almost no way everyone they have interest in is gone by 12. Be patient and consider a cheap move up if it presents itself, but otherwise I’d only look to be moving up higher is if I get an additional bite of the apple, not just an earlier one.

Catton, Iginla, Yakemchuk, D!ickinson, hell statistically one guy is gonna fall. Hell, maybe Parekh, I dunno.

And on the off chance it doesn’t shake out that way. In the off chance the first 11 taken (in any order) are

Celebrini
Demidov
Levshunov
Buium
Lindstrom
Catton
Silayev
Iginla
D!ickinson
Parekh
Yakemchuk

then you are still ok. Pull the ripcord with Helenius or Sennecke.

I don’t think that would upset any of us.

There’s 14 guys we all like minimum. One has to be there

I didn’t even need to make it weird with Eiserman.
Schmojo
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.14.2023

Jun 27 @ 1:01 PM ET
Isn't their a chance Demidov could go 2nd? I know Lushynov could be their guy but I don't think the 2nd overall is nailed down.
- Pelle31Forever


Yes. Reports say it’s leaning Levshunov but could definitely be Demidov too. He’s going anywhere top 5. Most people believe ANA is going D at 3. Also, no way MTL trades #5 if Demidov is available to them. Which leaves trading to #4 as the only way to potentially get him. Though, as I’ve stated previously, Inwould not move up for him.
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