Santo_44
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Ya. Of course bert is "willing" to take less. No one is offering him $5m per long term.
Hes not worth it - Fakepartofme
Ok thanks
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Love when people add on years to a player to try and prove their point - Santo_44
It was an error, douche. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Ok thanks
Disagree - Santo_44
Disagree all you want, hes a 40 -50pt player....not gettting his 5.5m from anyone.....unless its 1 year again. |
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Monkeypunk
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Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
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Hold the team hostage? Like willie did to get his 7.4m per? Luckily for us, he did refuse to play as thats the only reason his cap hit was lowered to 6.9.
All our stars are overpaid, whats one more lol.
11.6 per max, if not move him.
Leafs arent winning anyway.
Roll it back.
Trade everyone, trade no one...doesnt matter.
😀 - Fakepartofme
Willy at $7.5m was 100% fair. The year Willy signed his deal he sucked, but the next year he scored 31 and had 59 points and sat pretty close to Sebastian Aho - who was making $8.5m. The next year he may have compared to Aho a little less favourably, but the next three he had over 30 once and over 40 goals twice.
NOW Willy is overpaid.
Auston Matthews is 100% fair. Name any player in the post-cap era who has scored 60 or more twice? His name is Auston Matthews. At his peak Alexander Ovechkin was awarded a contract that would equate to $16.8m by the current cap standard after scoring 65.
With Marner it's hard. Look since he started in the NHL in 2016 he is top-10 in points in the league. The guys he passes in percentage signed before him and with the cap frozen for years it's a bad look - but his contract, while certainly not giving an inch, probably fits in with where he sits in the NHL since he was drafted:
Connor McDavid @ 16.7%
Leon Draisaitl @ 11.3%
Nathan MacKinnon @ 15.3%
Nikita Kucherov @ 11.9%
Artemi Panarin @ 14.3%
David Pastrnak @ 13.6%
Sidney Crosby @ 14.5%
Auston Matthews @ 15.9%
Brad Marchand @ 8.4%
Mitch Marner @ 13.4%
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Willy at $7.5m was 100% fair. The year Willy signed his deal he sucked, but the next year he scored 31 and had 59 points and sat pretty close to Sebastian Aho - who was making $8.5m. The next year he may have compared to Aho a little less favourably, but the next three he had over 30 once and over 40 goals twice.
NOW Willy is overpaid.
Auston Matthews is 100% fair. Name any player in the post-cap era who has scored 60 or more twice? His name is Auston Matthews. At his peak Alexander Ovechkin was awarded a contract that would equate to $16.8m by the current cap standard after scoring 65.
With Marner it's hard. Look since he started in the NHL in 2016 he is top-10 in points in the league. The guys he passes in percentage signed before him and with the cap frozen for years it's a bad look - but his contract, while certainly not giving an inch, probably fits in with where he sits in the NHL since he was drafted:
Connor McDavid @ 16.7%
Leon Draisaitl @ 11.3%
Nathan MacKinnon @ 15.3%
Nikita Kucherov @ 11.9%
Artemi Panarin @ 14.3%
David Pastrnak @ 13.6%
Sidney Crosby @ 14.5%
Auston Matthews @ 15.9%
Brad Marchand @ 8.4%
Mitch Marner @ 13.4% - Monkeypunk
Still, i wouldn't want to pay him more than 11.6m per.....and im sure his agent may want more than that.
Im all about playoffs performance and still year he didnt perform, was great last year but missed a big opportunity this year.
But with that said, i still wouldnt trade him for the sake of trading him and because of this one tight cap year coming up.
We'll see what Tre does. |
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Rare_Jewel
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 05.31.2021
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Trade McCabe, Reaves, Timmins, Kampf, Liljegren, Robertson and Jarnkrok.
Use whatever it takes from those trades (+more) to acquire Askarov.
Sign Domi, Stephenson, Clutterbuck, Lafferty, Tierney, Perry, Pesce, Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa.
Tavares | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Stephenson @ 5 | Nylander
McMann | Domi @ 4 | Clutterbuck @ 1
Lafferty @ 1 | Tierney @ 750K | Perry @ 1
Rielly | Pesce @ 5.25
OEL @ 4| Tanev @ 4
Benoit | Hakanpää @ 2.5
Askarov | Woll |
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mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Vancouver Island, BC Joined: 01.18.2015
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Trade McCabe, Reaves, Timmins, Kampf, Liljegren, Robertson and Jarnkrok.
Use whatever it takes from those trades (+more) to acquire Askarov.
Sign Domi, Stephenson, Clutterbuck, Lafferty, Tierney, Perry, Pesce, Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa.
Tavares | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Stephenson @ 5 | Nylander
McMann | Domi @ 4 | Clutterbuck @ 1
Lafferty @ 1 | Tierney @ 750K | Perry @ 1
Rielly | Pesce @ 5.25
OEL @ 4| Tanev @ 4
Benoit | Hakanpää @ 2.5
Askarov | Woll - Rare_Jewel
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End of story! 😆 |
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: No, ON Joined: 02.26.2007
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Whipper
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Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB Joined: 07.04.2006
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Adam French
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Ekblad to the Leafs (S1) - Symba007
Get him at his worst and broken. Let's get Nurse and Jones while we're at it. |
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GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: We shoulda let Uncle Billy finish the job. Joined: 01.29.2013
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Threw my back out pretty bad. Can't bend or twist without extreme pain. Have a doc appointment on monday. It got bad enough that I was briefly tempted to go to the ER. It's slightly better now, but not much.
I won't be posting much, so that's a bonus for some of you. 🤪 |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Monkeypunk
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Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
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Still, i wouldn't want to pay him more than 11.6m per.....and im sure his agent may want more than that.
Im all about playoffs performance and still year he didnt perform, was great last year but missed a big opportunity this year.
But with that said, i still wouldnt trade him for the sake of trading him and because of this one tight cap year coming up.
We'll see what Tre does. - Fakepartofme
It's not like defending Marner is an easy thing to do.
We have talked about how Marner uses his skating and edge work to excel. Now it is an opinion based on observation, but I think it's widely held as an acceptable position on Marner's game.
In 21-22 Marner's top skating speed was 22.59mph, which was in the 69th percentile in the NHL. He had 96 bursts over 20mph, which was in the 66th percentile. 3 times he exceed 22mph which was also in the 69th percentile.
The playoffs that year his top skating speed was 21.11mph which was below the 50th percentile mark and never did burst over 22mph. Because these stats are cumulative to games played and the Leafs bowing out early, it's hard to compare cumulative stats across the playoffs - all of the Leafs are typically below the 50th percentile.
In 22-23, the regular season saw Marner slow to 22.11mph, which was below the 50th percentile, but he did burst over 20mph 113 times, which was in the 78th percentile. He only exceed 22mph once.
In the playoffs this dropped to 21.43mph avg speed, with no bursts over 22, and 14 over 20 (73rd percentile).
Last year Marner's regular season speed dropped to 21.73 (below 50th), he bursted over 20 only 40 times (below 50th) and never exceed 22mph.
In the playoffs this drops to 21.33 (below 50th), with only 4 bursts over 20mph and none over 22mph - again both below the 50th percentile.
Is Marner slowing down already? He just turned 27 - it doesn't seem likely. Have small injuries taken a toll? I have no idea, but losing 1.5mph in your skating speed becomes a very noticeable thing in a game of inches.
I am on the fence. He is a very important player at both ends of the rink. The Leafs have done nothing to protect him - which most teams would do with a player of his importance but smaller frame. If you make room for Marner, I think he can excel.
Even if they ran it back and let JT walk, can a team with $35m invested in 3 forwards in a $92m cap world work? I do think to round it out properly you can afford 2 big name forwards, 1 big name D, and then you round it out from there. It's not a guaranteed structure, obviously, but it's sensible.
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Whipper
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Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB Joined: 07.04.2006
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Threw my back out pretty bad. Can't bend or twist without extreme pain. Have a doc appointment on monday. It got bad enough that I was briefly tempted to go to the ER. It's slightly better now, but not much.
I won't be posting much, so that's a bonus for some of you. 🤪 - GalacticStone
Would it make you feel better is Stamkos signed with the Leafs for $2M?
Feel better soon, dude! |
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dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;) Joined: 08.30.2006
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Trade McCabe, Reaves, Timmins, Kampf, Liljegren, Robertson and Jarnkrok.
Use whatever it takes from those trades (+more) to acquire Askarov.
Sign Domi, Stephenson, Clutterbuck, Lafferty, Tierney, Perry, Pesce, Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa.
Tavares | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Stephenson @ 5 | Nylander
McMann | Domi @ 4 | Clutterbuck @ 1
Lafferty @ 1 | Tierney @ 750K | Perry @ 1
Rielly | Pesce @ 5.25
OEL @ 4| Tanev @ 4
Benoit | Hakanpää @ 2.5
Askarov | Woll - Rare_Jewel
can you share your drugs man.
I'd like to be creative like this.
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Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB Joined: 07.04.2006
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Trade McCabe, Reaves, Timmins, Kampf, Liljegren, Robertson and Jarnkrok.
Use whatever it takes from those trades (+more) to acquire Askarov.
Sign Domi, Stephenson, Clutterbuck, Lafferty, Tierney, Perry, Pesce, Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa.
Tavares | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Stephenson @ 5 | Nylander
McMann | Domi @ 4 | Clutterbuck @ 1
Lafferty @ 1 | Tierney @ 750K | Perry @ 1
Rielly | Pesce @ 5.25
OEL @ 4| Tanev @ 4
Benoit | Hakanpää @ 2.5
Askarov | Woll - Rare_Jewel
Has a team EVER squad wiped like this?!? |
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dmnted
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Location: Rented to Bruce Banner ;) Joined: 08.30.2006
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Threw my back out pretty bad. Can't bend or twist without extreme pain. Have a doc appointment on monday. It got bad enough that I was briefly tempted to go to the ER. It's slightly better now, but not much.
I won't be posting much, so that's a bonus for some of you. 🤪 - GalacticStone
oh damn
![](https://hbcf.s3.amazonaws.com/images/avatars/301578-1634167023.jpg) has some good drugs. Hopefully he will share. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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![:aah:](https://hbcf.s3.amazonaws.com/images/emoticons/ahh.gif) - senstroll
Agreed.
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mjones242
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Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
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Willy at $7.5m was 100% fair. The year Willy signed his deal he sucked, but the next year he scored 31 and had 59 points and sat pretty close to Sebastian Aho - who was making $8.5m. The next year he may have compared to Aho a little less favourably, but the next three he had over 30 once and over 40 goals twice.
NOW Willy is overpaid.
Auston Matthews is 100% fair. Name any player in the post-cap era who has scored 60 or more twice? His name is Auston Matthews. At his peak Alexander Ovechkin was awarded a contract that would equate to $16.8m by the current cap standard after scoring 65.
With Marner it's hard. Look since he started in the NHL in 2016 he is top-10 in points in the league. The guys he passes in percentage signed before him and with the cap frozen for years it's a bad look - but his contract, while certainly not giving an inch, probably fits in with where he sits in the NHL since he was drafted:
Connor McDavid @ 16.7%
Leon Draisaitl @ 11.3%
Nathan MacKinnon @ 15.3%
Nikita Kucherov @ 11.9%
Artemi Panarin @ 14.3%
David Pastrnak @ 13.6%
Sidney Crosby @ 14.5%
Auston Matthews @ 15.9%
Brad Marchand @ 8.4%
Mitch Marner @ 13.4% - Monkeypunk
Willie ostensibly hit 100pts last season and, over the last 4 seasons, has 307 pts in his last 296 games. There's no way he signs for less than 11.5M going forward.
He's not overpaid. |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 06.25.2006
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Rare_Jewel
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 05.31.2021
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Has a team EVER squad wiped like this?!? - Whipper
It's necessary whether it's happened before or not.
Pretend it's a total rebuild but you have your lottery pick players in their prime. |
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Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 05.31.2021
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Even if they ran it back and let JT walk, can a team with $35m invested in 3 forwards in a $92m cap world work? I do think to round it out properly you can afford 2 big name forwards, 1 big name D, and then you round it out from there. It's not a guaranteed structure, obviously, but it's sensible. - Monkeypunk
Yes.
Total @ 92 million for 2025/2026, 20 players, 4.6 AAV per player average.
4 AAV / 13.25 AAV / 11.93 AAV
2 AAV / 5.5 AAV / 11.5 AAV
1 AAV / 3 AAV / 1 AAV
750K AAV / 1.5 AAV / 750K AAV
Total: 56.18 AAV for forwards.
Target total: 12 x 4.6 = 55.2
7 AAV / 6.25 AAV
5.25 AAV / 6 AAV
1 AAV / 1 AAV
Total: 26.5 AAV for defense.
Target total: 6 x 4.6 = 27.6.
Star goalie @ 7.5 AAV
Back-up @ 1.7 AAV
OR Tandem @ 4.6 AAV each OR Good starter @ 6 AAV + 3.2 AAV back-up.
Total: 9.2 AAV for goalies
Target total: 2 x 4.6 = 9.2
Total: 91.88 AAV
Target total: 92 AAV |
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Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS Joined: 07.05.2010
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Trade McCabe, Reaves, Timmins, Kampf, Liljegren, Robertson and Jarnkrok.
Use whatever it takes from those trades (+more) to acquire Askarov.
Sign Domi, Stephenson, Clutterbuck, Lafferty, Tierney, Perry, Pesce, Tanev, OEL, Hakanpaa.
Tavares | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Stephenson @ 5 | Nylander
McMann | Domi @ 4 | Clutterbuck @ 1
Lafferty @ 1 | Tierney @ 750K | Perry @ 1
Rielly | Pesce @ 5.25
OEL @ 4| Tanev @ 4
Benoit | Hakanpää @ 2.5
Askarov | Woll - Rare_Jewel
Fückin gross. STFU AA
You make us all dumber reading your retarded shït 🤮
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