I actually like Bill's mock and would be happy with Helenius and Surin, but depending on whether the Flyers get that Columbus 2nd rounder this year....I have to take Alfons over Surin in the 1st...got to.

Update: Just realized Bill let Parascak slide to the 2nd....tough choices.

Maybe I am dumb but if your telling me the cost for for is this:

To CLB: 12th, Farabee or Frost, COL 2025 1st

To PHL: 4th

I am doing it. If Lindstrom is your guy then have at it. Get your guy.

You still can try to move Laughton, Konecny and really anyone but Michkov to try and recoup assets.

But get your guy if that is your target.
- J35Bacher

According to Ek's post it came to....5 1st rounders (#12, #32, 2025 1st, 2025 1st (Col) and either Farabee or Frost.

Unless that player is in the Stamkos/MacKinnon Hedman/Dahlin level right out of the get go...suck a big giant bag of Flyers asking 5 1sts.

Lindstrom is a tough sell for 2 1sts, let alone 5

According to Ek's post it came to....5 1st rounders (#12, #32, 2025 1st, 2025 1st (Col) and either Farabee or Frost.

Unless that player is in the Stamkos/MacKinnon Hedman/Dahlin level right out of the get go...suck a big giant bag of Flyers asking 5 1sts.

Lindstrom is a tough sell for 2 1sts, let alone 5
- Glak18

that’s twice as much as anyone else reported. Ek is off his meds again.

I’ve seen two offers

12, roster player, Flyers 2025 1st “with limited protections”

Or

12, 32, Colorado’s 2025 1st



Personally I’d do the 2nd option.

Oh boy Columbus just cleared a roster spot....

Oh boy Columbus just cleared a roster spot....
- Glak18

Probably for Atkinson lol

that’s twice as much as anyone else reported. Ek is off his meds again.

I’ve seen two offers

12, roster player, Flyers 2025 1st “with limited protections”

Or

12, 32, Colorado’s 2025 1st



Personally I’d do the 2nd option.
- hereticpride

No way I am giving up 3 1st for a hail mary. I can see the players picked with the other first ending up with better careers.

Colorado first is 23+. What is the difference between top 5 this year and 12. If it’s a potential elite player in that top 5 you do it. Farabee and frost are nothing in the grand scheme of things. Especially Farabee: you can find a winger.
- ClaudeFather

Next year's draft is deeper and better. I would package tk and the Colorado pick for a hight pick

No way I am giving up 3 1st for a hail mary. I can see the players picked with the other first ending up with better careers.
- Glak18

I’m doing it. Enough with the mediocrity. Where are they going to get with another average forward or defenseman?

They tried that and wasted G’s career. Michkov can’t do it alone.

I’m doing it. Enough with the mediocrity. Where are they going to get with another average forward or defenseman?

They tried that and wasted G’s career. Michkov can’t do it alone.
- hereticpride

It really depends on who they select, I really don't believe the Flyers are targeting Lindstrom, I think it's a defenseman. Lindstrom isn't even Fantilli tier, honestly I'm not taking him in the top 10. Buium and D!ckinson are a different story, I think both will be impact players.

Think about it....teams are hard up to give up a 1st and player for someone like TK, who is established, but teams expect twice that much to move up some spots for open potential. That's crazy. The best moves are sometimes the ones not made.

Other teams are trading up spots by adding some take a chance assets, but #4 or #7 costs 5-6x times? If the players were so high impact why would you trade for assets not as close being good? The answer would be straight up no.

Sounds to me teams are just testing Danny to see if he caves, but they know the price is way too high no one will pay. #4 I would pay #12, #32 and a roster player...nothing more.

If Celebrini, Demidov and Levshunov are off the board and the Flyers have #4, who should they pick?

Buium
D!ckinson
Catton

Does Catton fall? So the question is...are either Zeev or Sam worth the price?

It really depends on who they select, I really don't believe the Flyers are targeting Lindstrom, I think it's a defenseman. Lindstrom isn't even Fantilli tier, honestly I'm not taking him in the top 10. Buium and D!ckinson are a different story, I think both will be impact players.

Think about it....teams are hard up to give up a 1st and player for someone like TK, who is established, but teams expect twice that much to move up some spots for open potential. That's crazy. The best moves are sometimes the ones not made.

Other teams are trading up spots by adding some take a chance assets, but #4 or #7 costs 5-6x times? If the players were so high impact why would you trade for assets not as close being good? The answer would be straight up no.

Sounds to me teams are just testing Danny to see if he caves, but they know the price is way too high no one will pay. #4 I would pay #12, #32 and a roster player...nothing more.
- Glak18

ill take scouts words that lidstom is top 5 over yours saying not top 10. I would trade up for a #1C or D, but not a winger. Every report ive seen has lidstrom top 7. Most top 5

It really depends on who they select, I really don't believe the Flyers are targeting Lindstrom, I think it's a defenseman. Lindstrom isn't even Fantilli tier, honestly I'm not taking him in the top 10. Buium and D!ckinson are a different story, I think both will be impact players.

Think about it....teams are hard up to give up a 1st and player for someone like TK, who is established, but teams expect twice that much to move up some spots for open potential. That's crazy. The best moves are sometimes the ones not made.

Other teams are trading up spots by adding some take a chance assets, but #4 or #7 costs 5-6x times? If the players were so high impact why would you trade for assets not as close being good? The answer would be straight up no.

Sounds to me teams are just testing Danny to see if he caves, but they know the price is way too high no one will pay. #4 I would pay #12, #32 and a roster player...nothing more.
- Glak18

I think you’re right that they’re testing DB. He’s only a little over a year into being a GM so it’s smart on their part. The other thing is the Flyers reputation for impatience is being tested. If the Flyers are trying to rush a rebuild rather than doing it properly, then it’s the smart play to try to take advantage. Those other teams are dealing from an advantage.

Since we’re hearing Farabee and Frost and not TK I’m curious if TK is off the table or if teams aren’t interested.

No way I am giving up 3 1st for a hail mary. I can see the players picked with the other first ending up with better careers.
- Glak18

its not 3 first.

3 out and 1 in. net loss of 2 picks.

Hey Bill! Question for ya.

First of all, I would be happy with the picks you presented. Suits me and I’m fussy. I like Helenius from what I’ve researched, but I can’t tell you about the 32nd pick because I gotta plead ignorance. I also understand leaving Yakemchuk on the board if he is the one who falls as he is a RHD and there’s a bit of a logjam there (unless Risto can be shed).

But.

Say Catton falls. Would you make that pick over Helenius?

Also, it’s pretty clear that we could still choose a player at a position we need like Hage in the mid teens. Would you trade back and collect more capital for next years draft instead should Helenius and Catton be off the board? Maybe trade back twice to the later teens if Beaudoin looks nice to you, and add even further draft capital for ‘25?

Just a thought, and we all appreciate you.

I love what Briere is trying to do in moving up in this draft. That is what rebuilding teams do to try to obtain elite talent. Briere should hold his ground however and not give in to ridiculous demands. If the Flyers cannot move up this year, they can still get a good player at 12 and use assets to trade up from 32 if they like a player that is still on the board. Just remain patient is my advice. Next year's draft is going to be better and deeper. The Flyers should perhaps consider trading veteran players from the core now and take a significant step back in the standings in order to secure a higher pick next year.
- jd250

it is what any team tries to do.

you dont find it funny they want to move up? when all they really had to do was commit to a rebuild last season and they are probably picking 4-7. now they have to waste assets to do that. but hey they established a winning culture

If Celebrini, Demidov and Levshunov are off the board and the Flyers have #4, who should they pick?

Buium
D!ckinson
Catton

Does Catton fall? So the question is...are either Zeev or Sam worth the price?
- Glak18

I take Buium and hope he comes somewhere close to Heiskanen or Makar.

BUT, I think CLB and MTL will go forward so Lindstrom then Iginla would go 4/5. This is why I’d rather see the Flyers move to 6 or 7 and still get one of them.

That’s absolutely why. Why else would you appoint two guys with no experience to the two most important positions of a major franchise with fans already completely fed up.

As much as I want the Flyers to succeed the one constant with all this failure is Comcast’s terrible hockey decisions and I don’t think the failure will be solved until they’re gone.

Would love to see Comcast sell the majority stake to Ryan Reynolds and Rob Mcelhenney. Reynolds was rumored to be looking at a NHL team and obviously Rob has the Philly connection.
- hereticpride

Yea, Zito would have broken up that country club stench

ill take scouts words that lidstom is top 5 over yours saying not top 10. I would trade up for a #1C or D, but not a winger. Every report ive seen has lidstrom top 7. Most top 5
- bradster

Have you seen Lindstrom play or just the little highlight packages? Those reports...are they the little mock drafts you compare?

its not 3 first.

3 out and 1 in. net loss of 2 picks.
- hello it's me 2050

Yeah, the math is messing with people for some reason. Plus you get a shot at a potential franchise C or LD.

If it’s just the 12, 32, and Colorado’s 1st, with a decent roster F added, I think I do it. I don’t if our 1st next year is thrown in. I want that one on ice, so to speak.

But I’m not so sure it makes as much sense for Columbus who would love to have a 1, 2 punch with Fantilli and Lindstrom locked up.

I take Buium and hope he comes somewhere close to Heiskanen or Makar.

BUT, I think CLB and MTL will go forward so Lindstrom then Iginla would go 4/5. This is why I’d rather see the Flyers move to 6 or 7 and still get one of them.
- Schmojo

I am hoping and praying Lindstrom, Iginla, Silayev and Sennecke get picked as soon as possible. Add in Celebrini, Demidov and Levshunov...that makes it 7.

Who's left?
Buium
D!ckinson
Parekh
Catton
Eiserman
Helenius

I'm fine with one of those leftovers.

If Celebrini, Demidov and Levshunov are off the board and the Flyers have #4, who should they pick?

Buium
D!ckinson
Catton

Does Catton fall? So the question is...are either Zeev or Sam worth the price?
- Glak18

I think you take Lindstrom at 4.

If you want a LD (and god knows we do), I think you can get one of either Buium or D!ckenson at 6 or 7 instead, so try to get a cheaper deal than what Columbus wants.

If you want Catton (as do I), you roll the dice on him falling because Helenius is a fine consolation, and then you give up nothing to get either one. Maybe you get lucky and Catton falls, maybe not, but you keep your stash of picks.

Yeah, the math is messing with people for some reason. Plus you get a shot at a potential franchise C or LD.

If it’s just the 12, 32, and Colorado’s 1st, with a decent roster F added, I think I do it. I don’t if our 1st next year is thrown in. I want that one on ice, so to speak.

But I’m not so sure it makes as much sense for Columbus who would love to have a 1, 2 punch with Fantilli and Lindstrom locked up.
- Hesh_

Again people can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it true. Lindstrom is not and has never been tagged as a "franchise" center by ANYONE, not even the "experts".

He is highly ranked because he has size and skill.....and IF he can put it together. Franchise centers don't have to put it together.

Hey Bill! Question for ya.

First of all, I would be happy with the picks you presented. Suits me and I’m fussy. I like Helenius from what I’ve researched, but I can’t tell you about the 32nd pick because I gotta plead ignorance. I also understand leaving Yakemchuk on the board if he is the one who falls as he is a RHD and there’s a bit of a logjam there (unless Risto can be shed).

But.

Say Catton falls. Would you make that pick over Helenius?

Also, it’s pretty clear that we could still choose a player at a position we need like Hage on the mid teens. Would you trade back and collect more capital for next years draft instead should Helenius and Catton be off the board? Maybe trade back twice to the later teens if Beaudoin looks nice to you, and add even further draft capital for ‘25?

Just a thought, and we all appreciate you.
- Hesh_

I’m not Bill but my thoughts,

Surin is a 6’1 Russian center who’s considered a workhorse type player, and solid at both ends of the ice. He was the second leading scorer in the MHL behind Demidov and is said to have had a very good playoffs. He projects as a middle 6 center. He would definitely be a good pick at 32 though may go earlier.

The way I read Bill’s write up says Catton is ahead of Helenius.

If the top 5 D, Catton, and Helenius are gone by 12 then I think a trade back and taking Hage would be a smart move. I prefer Hage significantly over Beaudoin as the former projects as a 2C and the latter a 3C/Scott Laughton type.

I’m not Bill but my thoughts,

Surin is a 6’1 Russian center who’s considered a workhorse type player, and solid at both ends of the ice. He was the second leading scorer in the MHL behind Demidov and is said to have had a very good playoffs. He projects as a middle 6 center. He would definitely be a good pick at 32 though may go earlier.

The way I read Bill’s write up says Catton is ahead of Helenius.

If the top 5 D, Catton, and Helenius are gone by 12 then I think a trade back and taking Hage would be a smart move. I prefer Hage significantly over Beaudoin as the former projects as a 2C and the latter a 3C/Scott Laughton type.
- Schmojo

I like Hage too, but has some work to develop. I really think people are sleeping on some really nice D later in the 1st. I believe Alfons Freij is going to be a top pair.

it is what any team tries to do.

you dont find it funny they want to move up? when all they really had to do was commit to a rebuild last season and they are probably picking 4-7. now they have to waste assets to do that. but hey they established a winning culture
- hello it's me 2050

Just losing those last games against NYR and NJ would have had them picking 9. Huge difference imo from 9-12