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landros 2
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Saturday @ 7:35 AM ET
kidding aside, I do not see jett as a Laughton type. much better skill set to me.

doesnt mean he ends up as a 3rd line plyer. but 2 diff players to me.

draft the dman. then use the florida/col 1st plus something else (or both) to trade up then grab jett. Even if you overpay a little you grabbed your guy. No issue with that.

Then you walk away with 2 potentially good pieces.

- hello it's me 2050


He’s a better skater than Laughton was. I wasn’t all that impressed with his skill level…there were easily 5 kids on the ice the night I watched him that were far better skill wise…(one was Denver Barkey though).
He’s a good prospect…but he never should have cracked the top 20.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 7:36 AM ET
Buium could be the Heiskanen in this draft. A puzzling move but not surprising from the three stooges
- THE EVIL WITHIN


Key words "could be". It's set in stone what he will turn out to be.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 7:37 AM ET
looking forward to the laughton ext so he can mentor jett when he arrives.

they do not value elite talent is now my conclusion. has to be as they just do not go in that direction 99% of the time

- hello it's me 2050


I’m with you fully on the whole “this ain’t no (frank)in rebuild” train.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 7:37 AM ET
Key words "could be". It's set in stone what he will turn out to be.
- WhiskeyMan


All the kids are could be.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
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Saturday @ 7:38 AM ET
It’s very possible that it did.
- Flyers1218


JFC how in the F did it set them back ten years? I guess they have no prospects in the system now that are any good.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 7:41 AM ET
As expected, Columbus is keeping their 2nd this year. Flyers pick at 51 now and have gained Edmontons 1st and Columbus 2nd next year.
- mikeyo27



The one move I’m happy with…if that’s who they picked at 13 (12) ….then I’m not sure “their” scouts see a lot in this draft…
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 7:41 AM ET
It still doesn’t explain not taking Buium. Even if you don’t want Buium, you draft him and then look to trade him in the future. He’d offer more value that than Luchenko and a 3rd. Seriously, they could have used Buium and their first next year to try to get to 1st overall to get Hagans.
- Schmojo


Is Buium a lock to be a stud player?
hello it's me 2050
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Saturday @ 7:47 AM ET
Is Buium a lock to be a stud player?
- WhiskeyMan

no player is a lock to be a stud. what is your point?
landros 2
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Saturday @ 7:48 AM ET
JFC how in the F did it set them back ten years? I guess they have no prospects in the system now that are any good.
- WhiskeyMan


I don’t think it set them back…but this week didn’t exactly set them forward…(they’ve done NOTHING) isn’t that supposed to be what a rebuild does? Last year the excuse was he was just getting his feet wet…they got saved when Michkov fell to them. At least it looked like they were putting a plan together. This year they lost their 2nd best prospect and have added absolutely nothing of real value, unless you count a smallish d man who hasn’t been healthy since he entered the league 4 years ago. Quite frankly Briere looks in over his head. Other teams that are rebuilding are making trades, taking swings in the draft while the Flyers sit and do (frank) all.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 7:48 AM ET
Is Buium a lock to be a stud player?
- WhiskeyMan


Better chance then the guy we drafted.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 7:53 AM ET
All the kids are could be.
- landros 2


Exactly, no one knows what these kids will turn into. The over reactions I have been reading are pathetic.

DB had a very good draft last year. He also increased the amount of draft picks in next year's draft which is supposed to be a better draft class.

Who knows what Jett will turn out to be. According to what I have been reading he should have gone around 17 to 19.
So not a huge leap.

They pick at 36 so trading 32 makes sense, is a player at 32 that much better at 36?

Arm chair GMs need to calm the f down, who on the board scouted all the players, watched more than a handful of their games? Who here went to the combine?
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 7:54 AM ET
Better chance then the guy we drafted.
- landros 2


And you know this how?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 8:00 AM ET
Is Buium a lock to be a stud player?
- WhiskeyMan

No, but there is not one scout, at least outside of the Flyers org, that rated Luchanko higher than Buium. Nada. You always draft BPA with your first round pick, period, and the Flyers failed to do so. What’s worse, they claimed that they were concerned that they had too many small Dmen already in the system. Let’s take a look at those guys:
York: a 2/3 guy
Drysdale: injury prone
Andrae: may never be more than an AHl/NHL tweener.

To not select a potential 1D because those 3 are in the organization is just woefully inept. Luchanko, at best, is a future 2C. You don’t pass on a potential #1 Dman for that.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 8:06 AM ET
No, but there is not one scout, at least outside of the Flyers org, that rated Luchanko higher than Buium. Nada. You always draft BPA with your first round pick, period, and the Flyers failed to do so. What’s worse, they claimed that they were concerned that they had too many small Dmen already in the system. Let’s take a look at those guys:
York: a 2/3 guy
Drysdale: injury prone
Andrae: may never be more than an AHl/NHL tweener.

To not select a potential 1D because those 3 are in the organization is just woefully inept. Luchanko, at best, is a future 2C. You don’t pass on a potential #1 Dman for that.

- BiggE

Well said.

It is negligence/incompetence in my view. Take the defenseman then trade one of those others if need be. Usually it will sort itself out.
TheFreak
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Saturday @ 8:10 AM ET
Who says Buium is a potential 1D? Clearly if the Flyers thought this they would have ran up to the podium to get him. I mean, is it worth a 3rd round pick next year to not get a potential 1D? Of course not. So for whatever reasons, it appeared the Flyers were only interested in a few players in this draft class and tried to get those players only, i.e. D!ckinson, Demidov and Lindstrom. The Flyers could have traded up with Toronto later in the 1st round to get Solberg, but apparently they didn't like him either. It blows my mind to be honest, but like I said, I am reading scouting reports and looking at highlights just like you are, but the Flyers have scouts that do nothing but watch games and interview players all year long. Apparently they just didn't like this draft class and at least got more picks in 2025 which is projected to be a much deeper draft. Now the Flyers need to tank this year if they really want to get top players.
- jd250


Just stop...

Everyone and their dog had Huium in the top 6 ....we were being gifted a potential #1 dman, that so many here wanted to use multiple #1 picks to move up for, and the instead they went for a bottom 6 plug, who in the best circumstances will end up like Laughton.

What a waste of a golden opportunity.

But yeah, JD, toll that company line. It was a putrid pick
landros 2
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Saturday @ 8:20 AM ET
And you know this how?
- WhiskeyMan


Did you see what Buium did this year in the NCAA?
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 8:21 AM ET
No, but there is not one scout, at least outside of the Flyers org, that rated Luchanko higher than Buium. Nada. You always draft BPA with your first round pick, period, and the Flyers failed to do so. What’s worse, they claimed that they were concerned that they had too many small Dmen already in the system. Let’s take a look at those guys:
York: a 2/3 guy
Drysdale: injury prone
Andrae: may never be more than an AHl/NHL tweener.

To not select a potential 1D because those 3 are in the organization is just woefully inept. Luchanko, at best, is a future 2C. You don’t pass on a potential #1 Dman for that.

- BiggE


Why did Helenius drop the way did? Did all teams 1-12 take BPA or did some take a need?
WhiskeyMan
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Saturday @ 8:22 AM ET
Did you see what Buium did this year in the NCAA?
- landros 2


Nope, did you see Jett play?
darkerens
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.24.2017

Saturday @ 8:23 AM ET
In my opinion, it was a really bad night for the Flyers. They reached at 13, and had 3 great options at 12 C, LW, or D. Luchanko was an absolute reach at 13, and anytime the Flyers reach in the 1st round it hasn’t turned out well. Two off the top of my head, Sam Morin and Jay O’Brien. They had 2 or 3 good players at 32 including a Russian LW to pair with Michkov.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 8:23 AM ET
Just stop...

Everyone and their dog had Huium in the top 6 ....we were being gifted a potential #1 dman, that so many here wanted to use multiple #1 picks to move up for, and the instead they went for a bottom 6 plug, who in the best circumstances will end up like Laughton.

What a waste of a golden opportunity.

But yeah, JD, toll that company line. It was a putrid pick

- TheFreak


I’m fine with the prospect…but not at 12…(0r 13)with a future 3rd rnd pick that he’ll probably trade away for futures anyways. Potential 2C …but ya how do you pass on what Buium did this year and how he looked.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 8:25 AM ET
I don’t think it set them back…but this week didn’t exactly set them forward…(they’ve done NOTHING) isn’t that supposed to be what a rebuild does? Last year the excuse was he was just getting his feet wet…they got saved when Michkov fell to them. At least it looked like they were putting a plan together. This year they lost their 2nd best prospect and have added absolutely nothing of real value, unless you count a smallish d man who hasn’t been healthy since he entered the league 4 years ago. Quite frankly Briere looks in over his head. Other teams that are rebuilding are making trades, taking swings in the draft while the Flyers sit and do (frank) all.
- landros 2


From what I read there were like maybe 10 guys that were solid picks not franchise players but solid. After them the rest were just good.

Now I will wait tonsee whta happens at the trade deadline and what they do next draft. Next draft could be the draft that turns the team around.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 8:25 AM ET
Nope, did you see Jett play?
- WhiskeyMan


Only once live…against London….a couple other times on TV….he’s a good prospect. But Buium has a chance to be a stud. I don’t think anyone, even the Flyers, are suggesting that for Jett.
mikeyo27
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Saturday @ 8:28 AM ET
From what I read there were like maybe 10 guys that were solid picks not franchise players but solid. After them the rest were just good.

Now I will wait tonsee whta happens at the trade deadline and what they do next draft. Next draft could be the draft that turns the team around.

- WhiskeyMan


So Flyers fans have gone from “wait til next year” for our chance at a Cup, to “wait til next year” for our chance at the playoffs, to “wait for next year” for our chance to draft well. This is not a good progression.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
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Saturday @ 8:29 AM ET
… and what’s wrong with having a stockpile of skilled smallish defensemen? If there’s a logjam one can get traded and have a great return.
landros 2
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Saturday @ 8:32 AM ET
From what I read there were like maybe 10 guys that were solid picks not franchise players but solid. After them the rest were just good.

Now I will wait tonsee whta happens at the trade deadline and what they do next draft. Next draft could be the draft that turns the team around.

- WhiskeyMan


That’s the irritating part for me. This past week was a week were they could have gotten a lot done to build the foundation. They’ve done absolutely nothing. The last draft and trade deadline they kept pointing to this draft…all year I heard this upcoming draft one was going to be big and important for their future…again he’s done ABSOLUTELY nothing this week. He’s punted down the road to 2025…yes they have a ton of picks…but after watching what they did last night over all I am not at all confident Briere is simply in over his head, and besides some fancy marketing slogans the Flyers really don’t have much of a plan.
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