It's probably been discussed but damn it... Edmonton added 2 more ridiculous goal scoring wingers.
I guess 32OA in 25 is better than 32OA in 24 but I was hoping to see the oil take a step back. So much for that fantasy

You're partially right and mostly wrong. Here is what you don't understand and probably never will. It's not that issues like culture, locker room and all the other buzzwords that the Flyers throw around don't matter. It's that it won't amount to anything without talent and skill. When you acquire the right talent level and skill, a long with the right mix of support and role players. That is what will build a winning culture. The talent and skill has to come first. Not the other way around as you think and are so easily sold on by the Flyers marketing. Gullible fans such as yourself are who they target with those buzzwords and marketing ploy.
- MJL

Buffalo had talent. At one point they had O'Reilly, Eichel, Montour, Reinhart, Mittlestadt, Kane, and yes, even Risto!

All that high end talent - why couldn't they just put it together on their own?

Edmonton had a ton of promising young talent? Did culture just come together like you propose?

Do you think the culture of the Wings is driven by Stevie Y or is that just going to be created magically once some high draft picks show up? Do you think Sakic does the same?

Next years draft we need to weaponize our picks like SJ and CHI did.


Example,

Trade Col 1st, 2nd 3rd and move up into top 15.
Trade Edm 1st,2nd,2nd and move up into top 10-13


Along with our pick that would be 3 players to help speed up the rebuild, still looking like 5 years + to do it right. Missing no1 center & defenseman and they need to get experience.
- Flyerloon

To do a complete franchise rebuild takes about 10 years. See kings cup building years. They aren’t at stage 1 if put them at stage 3/10 I even would’ve said maybe 4/10 a few weeks ago but they after wasting last season “competing for playoff spot” and yet again tying cap up into useless players ej gh seeler they are at around 3/10. Those type moves prevent the development ice time for younger players and prohibits making moves.


You cite maximizing the picks they have by trading up in packages. That’s step 2 for next year in what they “need” to do.

Step 1) admit you have a problem” need high end to elite talent. You need to draft as high as possible. You need to rid good players that don’t fit a realistic timeline that have value to help ensure you draft high (see sj trade of Hertl as example) no need for step 2 if you skip step 1. It simply won’t work.

Building the culture and identity of a team is equally if not more important than just having a group of highly skilled players. The Flyers core is currently and will continue to add young players who need to learn and develop the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day in and day out. If you look at how Garnet H. is always giving 100%, whether thats each shift during a game or how he trains through out the entire year and then go listen to the coaches that have worked with him say you easily understand why they felt he was worth extending. Danny B said basically the same thing with regards to bringing Eric Johnson back....

Many longtime fans of the Flyers, myself included, were very disappointed when then captain Mike Richards and Jeff Carter who had the A were traded away. If I recall correctly the reasoning was that as the team leaders they were creating a poor culture to start growing as many were reportedly out partying quite often both in and off season causing a ripple affect. After they were both shipped out, the locker room identity was quickly revamped leading with Pronger getting named captain and Timonen and Briere getting the A's in hopes of helping set a better example for then young players Giroux, Coots, Simmonds and Bob.

Even though Richards and Carter went on to help LA win Cups, that Kings team had a solid "culture" already in place that they adapted to. The Flyers "team culture" and identity also appeared to be headed back in the correct direction after the changes were made, personally I felt like we had a team that would compete for the Cup for quite a few years.

I believe and think Briere and Jonesy realized that this was the moment when the Flyers culture got lost. They both were witnesses to the impulsive mistake of trading Bobby instead of developing him and the misfortunate follow through of a stick that caught Pronger in the eye where veteran leadership was replaced to soon were the catalysts that ultimately has lead to the Flyers slowly losing their identity along with the culture that was built by the Bullies as a team to be feared to play against. It is also the moment when I noticed so many fans losing hope and becoming bitter year after year.

Many comments on this forum about current draft picks and signings are the perfect example of how venomous and impatient many who bled orange and black over the years have become. They are desperately in need of a blood transfusion so they can enjoy THIS moment!!! A transfusion that renews their capacity of hope and trust that gives them the ability to delay their own ego's desire of instant gratification of being right vs long term the plan of Briere, Jones and the entire organization that will gratify all of our dreams of another Flyers parade down Broad Street with the Cup!!!

Success starts with rebuilding the Culture from the top down, this signing is a recognition of the early building blocks for a good foundation.

For those of you who still bleed Orange and Black but have lost hope and choose to share your negativity its understood and forgiven however for those of you that are hear to spread negativity and hate or do not want to be a part of the Flyers family that roots for their success .... I say to you ... F#@K -OFF!! ... You don't like us and we don't care!!!!

Let's Go Flyers

Building the culture and identity of a team is equally if not more important than just having a group of highly skilled players. The Flyers core is currently and will continue to add young players who need to learn and develop the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day in and day out. If you look at how Garnet H. is always giving 100%, whether thats each shift during a game or how he trains through out the entire year and then go listen to the coaches that have worked with him say you easily understand why they felt he was worth extending. Danny B said basically the same thing with regards to bringing Eric Johnson back....

Many longtime fans of the Flyers, myself included, were very disappointed when then captain Mike Richards and Jeff Carter who had the A were traded away. If I recall correctly the reasoning was that as the team leaders they were creating a poor culture to start growing as many were reportedly out partying quite often both in and off season causing a ripple affect. After they were both shipped out, the locker room identity was quickly revamped leading with Pronger getting named captain and Timonen and Briere getting the A's in hopes of helping set a better example for then young players Giroux, Coots, Simmonds and Bob.

Even though Richards and Carter went on to help LA win Cups, that Kings team had a solid "culture" already in place that they adapted to. The Flyers "team culture" and identity also appeared to be headed back in the correct direction after the changes were made, personally I felt like we had a team that would compete for the Cup for quite a few years.

I believe and think Briere and Jonesy realized that this was the moment when the Flyers culture got lost. They both were witnesses to the impulsive mistake of trading Bobby instead of developing him and the misfortunate follow through of a stick that caught Pronger in the eye where veteran leadership was replaced to soon were the catalysts that ultimately has lead to the Flyers slowly losing their identity along with the culture that was built by the Bullies as a team to be feared to play against. It is also the moment when I noticed so many fans losing hope and becoming bitter year after year.

Many comments on this forum about current draft picks and signings are the perfect example of how venomous and impatient many who bled orange and black over the years have become. They are desperately in need of a blood transfusion so they can enjoy THIS moment!!! A transfusion that renews their capacity of hope and trust that gives them the ability to delay their own ego's desire of instant gratification of being right vs long term the plan of Briere, Jones and the entire organization that will gratify all of our dreams of another Flyers parade down Broad Street with the Cup!!!

Success starts with rebuilding the Culture from the top down, this signing is a recognition of the early building blocks for a good foundation.

For those of you who still bleed Orange and Black but have lost hope and choose to share your negativity its understood and forgiven however for those of you that are hear to spread negativity and hate or do not want to be a part of the Flyers family that roots for their success .... I say to you ... F#@K -OFF!! ... You don't like us and we don't care!!!!

Let's Go Flyers


- EBPflyer

+1

Hart has apparently signed for Dinamo Minsk according to some windward sites.

Seems like McKenzie was spot on. No one is saying Buium is not a good prospect, and I certainly would not have been upset if the Flyers picked him. But the fact of the matter is, 12 teams (I am including the Flyers) passed on him and he was the 6th (not the 2nd, 3rd or 4th) defenseman taken off the board. That has got to mean something.
- jd250

Miro went 3rd.
Makar went 4th
Did it mean anything? How the fuq could Dallas take miro in front of makar when they were obviously gonna draft a dman?


Provorov went 7
Werenski went 8

How the fuq did flyers draft POOPEROV instead of werenski when they obviously were drafting a dman?

Class of ‘83 qb’s. How the fuq did elway go before Marino. Or Eason before Kelly or whatever


See it doesn’t even matter the sport. In every draft you will find a CONSENSUS (you do know what that means right?) top whatever could be 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 whatever of whatever the position is.

Why is your brain not get this? I can’t make this clearer. There was a CONSESUS of 5/6 dmen that projected to go in top 10.

Just like the ‘83 class of qb’s was a consensus of 5.


The opinions of which player is better or where drafted varies widely. But the consensus is they were top 10 picks. So to have one of them (it doesn’t matter which one) happened to be zeev fall to 12 was a gift. It doesn’t matter if it was Richardinson or salayiv or which of the 5/6 dmen they weren’t supposed to be there at 12. Same as mm shouldn’t have been there at 7 last year.


Please for the (frank)ing love of god stop saying 11 other teams passed on him. It doesn’t matter. Why the (frank) we’re teams calling db to trade up to 12 and who were they trying to land? The last dmen that was the consensus best of bunch (zeev in this case ) and I bet minny is laughing that he was there and they got him. Who knows which one will turn out with the best career of the bunch. Each team very well could’ve put them in different order.


You continue to try to make it as tho he isn’t as good because 11 teams passed on him and he was last d taken of the bunch. It’s stupid. And you continue to disregard that not every team wanted or is building with dman first. Celibrini catton demigod
Lindstrom sennecke that’s 5 right there take those out now where did zeev go? 7th.

Hart has apparently signed for Dinamo Minsk according to some windward sites.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Isn’t he prohibited from leaving the country still?

Bill,

I'm not totally clear on the deal that sent Walker to Colorado where we ended up with a player - Johansson, who arrived in Philadelphia "hurt". There was a lot of reporting on this, but some of it was muddy. I was under the impression NHL clubs were not permitted to trade players who are hurt. I heard he even practiced the last day before the trade, but somehow he failed his examination here? How can this happen? Aren't there "rules" so GMs cannot abuse situations like this? How could the Avalanche not know? Why are we "stuck" with a player now who is either injured or has ill feelings towards playing for this franchise. 4 million dollars of cap space got consumed on this deal, $ that could have been put to good use in the free agent market. Now we can only add depth players, which really don't move the needle.
Please advise, thank you.
Dan M from West Chester

Bill,

I'm not totally clear on the deal that sent Walker to Colorado where we ended up with a player - Johansson, who arrived in Philadelphia "hurt". There was a lot of reporting on this, but some of it was muddy. I was under the impression NHL clubs were not permitted to trade players who are hurt. I heard he even practiced the last day before the trade, but somehow he failed his examination here? How can this happen? Aren't there "rules" so GMs cannot abuse situations like this? How could the Avalanche not know? Why are we "stuck" with a player now who is either injured or has ill feelings towards playing for this franchise. 4 million dollars of cap space got consumed on this deal, $ that could have been put to good use in the free agent market. Now we can only add depth players, which really don't move the needle.
Please advise, thank you.
Dan M from West Chester
- BluehorseShoe64

I don't think RyJo was ever going to play for the Flyers. If anything they would have buried him in the AHL like DB stated after the trade. Guy is supposed to be a terrible teammate and it was the cost of getting the 1st from the Avs. And Torts would not want him on the roster...

Isn’t he prohibited from leaving the country still?
- hereticpride

https://www.bladeofsteel....after-not-being-qualified

It's probably been discussed but damn it... Edmonton added 2 more ridiculous goal scoring wingers.
I guess 32OA in 25 is better than 32OA in 24 but I was hoping to see the oil take a step back. So much for that fantasy
- Bob Habib

They still have a bunch of holes imo. I hate to say pray from injury but one injury to McDavid or Leon sets that team back. Way back.

I don’t see them picking top 12 tho unless one of those guys gets a season ending injury. My guess is the pick falls somewhere around 20-25. Hopefully it’s more like 13-17.

I really would’ve rather traded the pick for a kid already in someone’s system. Kicking the can down the road is a weird approach when they supposedly want TK back

I will say that it does make me a little worried DB said all of these things about michkov needing to earn it and that's Torts decision...

However...

considering what it took to get him here, and considering we just got shafted by Cutter...

isn't it possible he's publically saying this for optics so that they can do the exact opposite and just let him play without seeming like hypocrites? GMs lie.

"He's in there because he has earned it. I am definitely NOT telling Torts he has to play no matter what. See, Cutter? All you had to do was earn it."

Just a thought. If they mess with him or start sitting him I will be pissed and want the coach fired.
- anti-lame

That’s where the coach has to be in line with top of fo. It flows from the top. Mm should be told this year you do you kid. Go do whatever the fuq you want. Wow us. But after this year we are gonna show you some things to IMPROVE what you show us. And teach from there.

I want mm to jump the (frank)ing zone every damn time his instincts tell him too. I don’t care how many turnovers happen and we get scored on and lose.

I don’t want him to hesitate at all thinking defense or positioning or blocking shot. Get in lane. Safe play. Nothing. Do you kid. You’re a superstar? Proof to us what you can do. Go adjust to speed of game. Go learn how to use angles. Go learn what nhl players look like. Support him with nothing but praise even when you know he failed for obvious reasons.


That’s how you fast track his development. He will figure some things out on his own. And teach him starting after the season. Breakdown how he does things first say 20 games then next 20 then at end of year.

That’s where the coach has to be in line with top of fo. It flows from the top. Mm should be told this year you do you kid. Go do whatever the fuq you want. Wow us. But after this year we are gonna show you some things to IMPROVE what you show us. And teach from there.

I want mm to jump the (frank)ing zone every damn time his instincts tell him too. I don’t care how many turnovers happen and we get scored on and lose.

I don’t want him to hesitate at all thinking defense or positioning or blocking shot. Get in lane. Safe play. Nothing. Do you kid. You’re a superstar? Proof to us what you can do. Go adjust to speed of game. Go learn how to use angles. Go learn what nhl players look like. Support him with nothing but praise even when you know he failed for obvious reasons.


That’s how you fast track his development. He will figure some things out on his own. And teach him starting after the season. Breakdown how he does things first say 20 games then next 20 then at end of year.
- Stayin alive

agree 100%

Isn’t he prohibited from leaving the country still?
- hereticpride

I read that he's free to play overseas as long as he returns for court/incarceration.

Building the culture and identity of a team is equally if not more important than just having a group of highly skilled players. The Flyers core is currently and will continue to add young players who need to learn and develop the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day in and day out. If you look at how Garnet H. is always giving 100%, whether thats each shift during a game or how he trains through out the entire year and then go listen to the coaches that have worked with him say you easily understand why they felt he was worth extending. Danny B said basically the same thing with regards to bringing Eric Johnson back....



- EBPflyer

That's simply false. You can't build a winning team culture and a team with a winning identity without talent and skill. Building a team culture and identity without talent, will not get you anywhere in this league. The Flyers are proof of that. A team lacking in skill and talent can develop all the proper habits of what it takes to play hockey as a professional day and day out and it won't matter. They may compete and not be a pushover but they will not contend. The Flyers extend players like Hathaway and bring back players such as Erik Johnson because they drastically overvalue the qualities they have and fail to understand the proper way to rebuild and form a team. They've been using the same methods as a franchise forever and have not been relevant as a team in over a decade. Why is that? They've been lacking in talent and skill

Many longtime fans of the Flyers, myself included, were very disappointed when then captain Mike Richards and Jeff Carter who had the A were traded away. If I recall correctly the reasoning was that as the team leaders they were creating a poor culture to start growing as many were reportedly out partying quite often both in and off season causing a ripple affect. After they were both shipped out, the locker room identity was quickly revamped leading with Pronger getting named captain and Timonen and Briere getting the A's in hopes of helping set a better example for then young players Giroux, Coots, Simmonds and Bob.


- EBPflyer

Richards and Carter weren't traded because of having anything to do with culture. They were traded because the team had salary cap issues and the prospect base was completely barren. I guess you're unaware that Briere was frequently seen out "partying" with Richards and Carter.

Even though Richards and Carter went on to help LA win Cups, that Kings team had a solid "culture" already in place that they adapted to. The Flyers "team culture" and identity also appeared to be headed back in the correct direction after the changes were made, personally I felt like we had a team that would compete for the Cup for quite a few years.


- EBPflyer

LA won due to having the right mix of talent and players. Richards and Carter did not change or adapt to anything. They added to the mix of talent and quality players.

I believe and think Briere and Jonesy realized that this was the moment when the Flyers culture got lost. They both were witnesses to the impulsive mistake of trading Bobby instead of developing him and the misfortunate follow through of a stick that caught Pronger in the eye where veteran leadership was replaced to soon were the catalysts that ultimately has lead to the Flyers slowly losing their identity along with the culture that was built by the Bullies as a team to be feared to play against. It is also the moment when I noticed so many fans losing hope and becoming bitter year after year.


- EBPflyer

The Flyers haven't lost their identity. That's the problem. They need to lose their identity. Stop using the same old archaic methods and relying on all the nonsense of culture and identity that you talk about. Bring in talent speed and skill and move into the methods of the modern day NHL

Many comments on this forum about current draft picks and signings are the perfect example of how venomous and impatient many who bled orange and black over the years have become. They are desperately in need of a blood transfusion so they can enjoy THIS moment!!! A transfusion that renews their capacity of hope and trust that gives them the ability to delay their own ego's desire of instant gratification of being right vs long term the plan of Briere, Jones and the entire organization that will gratify all of our dreams of another Flyers parade down Broad Street with the Cup!!!


- EBPflyer

Is that it, we lack patience and hope as we watch this franchise operate with the same methods and flawed philosophies that have shown that they're in the running for the worse run franchise in the NHL. This team will never win the Cup with the current hierarchy in place, now will they be any kind of building block for any future hierarchy.

Success starts with rebuilding the Culture from the top down, this signing is a recognition of the early building blocks for a good foundation.


- EBPflyer

No it doesn't. Success can only happen from an addition and talent and skill. Culture alone has never been and never will be the main ingredient for success.

For those of you who still bleed Orange and Black but have lost hope and choose to share your negativity its understood and forgiven however for those of you that are hear to spread negativity and hate or do not want to be a part of the Flyers family that roots for their success .... I say to you ... F#@K -OFF!! ... You don't like us and we don't care!!!!

Let's Go Flyers


- EBPflyer

A fan being well grounded in the reality of the state of the franchise is not negativity. You don't realize it but you're part of the problem. You're the gullible fan that they target with their rhetoric of culture and locker room and playing the right way. They have you and as long as there are enough of you, they will never change. Nothing has ever been accomplished in sports or life by those unwilling to challenge the status quo and challenge to be better. You foolishly think it's about not liking you? Your post here is an embarrassment and is delusional. You're not based in reality

Flyers sign Anthony Richard, 2-years @ $775k/per

Bill,

I'm not totally clear on the deal that sent Walker to Colorado where we ended up with a player - Johansson, who arrived in Philadelphia "hurt". There was a lot of reporting on this, but some of it was muddy. I was under the impression NHL clubs were not permitted to trade players who are hurt. I heard he even practiced the last day before the trade, but somehow he failed his examination here? How can this happen? Aren't there "rules" so GMs cannot abuse situations like this? How could the Avalanche not know? Why are we "stuck" with a player now who is either injured or has ill feelings towards playing for this franchise. 4 million dollars of cap space got consumed on this deal, $ that could have been put to good use in the free agent market. Now we can only add depth players, which really don't move the needle.
Please advise, thank you.
Dan M from West Chester
- BluehorseShoe64

The Flyers are stuck with Johannson because they want the 1st round pick from the deal. They have the financial assets to not care about having to pay him 4M. If they wanted to file a greivance on the deal, if successful, they'd lose the pick. An injured player can be traded if the acquiring team is notified and agrees to the deal. Don't know if that happened.

Thats the march rankings, need to pull some may or june rankings. I havent seen anything showing him going that high
- bradster

I don’t go by March or June. I followed from about March til draft. Scouting reports. Mock drafts. I like to lean a little heavier on McKenzie because I like how he uses scouts to put list together. I watch the jr tournaments some jr games etc etc etc so a lot of the top prospects are semi familiar. Not saying I’m an expert by any means.

But generally speaking as watching try to figure what a realistic smaller group philly able to draft at 12? The groups were all kinda consensus but most were ranked differently amongst the dmen and centers.


I did not expect 1 of the 5/6 dmen to be there at 12. I figured a run would happen and no shot at them. I figured maybe catton maybe helanious maybe senncke would be there.

My choices after all that were
1) catton
2) helanious
3) trade down


That’s what I wanted to see pre draft that I thought was realistic.

Sennecke going 3 and Yamachuck going early changed that. Once it got to 10 and 3/6 consensus dmen were on board all I wanted was one of them. Didn’t care which one. They were all great prospects projected and can see why. If zeev even becomes 75-80% of his projected potential that would instantly be a #1 dman same for Richardenson and salayiv.


It really is a matter of db I think was gonna take a center no matter what.

Hart has apparently signed for Dinamo Minsk according to some windward sites.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Is he allowed to leave Canada?

Buffalo had talent. At one point they had O'Reilly, Eichel, Montour, Reinhart, Mittlestadt, Kane, and yes, even Risto!

All that high end talent - why couldn't they just put it together on their own?

Edmonton had a ton of promising young talent? Did culture just come together like you propose?

Do you think the culture of the Wings is driven by Stevie Y or is that just going to be created magically once some high draft picks show up? Do you think Sakic does the same?
- anti-lame

Ooh ooh me me 🙋🙋🙋maybe can it be they hired a (frank)ing soccer coach? That had the philosophy to take a 40 goal scoring winger(skinner) off top line playing with Eichel?

Flyers sign Anthony Richard, 2-years @ $775k/per
- Tomahawk

Good for Tony Richard...we got our 1C

Flyers sign Anthony Richard, 2-years @ $775k/per
- Tomahawk

Too bad his name isn't Anthony Richard.

Too bad his name isn't Anthony Richard.

- MBFlyerfan

I won and beat you...now give me praise!

That’s where the coach has to be in line with top of fo. It flows from the top. Mm should be told this year you do you kid. Go do whatever the fuq you want. Wow us. But after this year we are gonna show you some things to IMPROVE what you show us. And teach from there.

I want mm to jump the (frank)ing zone every damn time his instincts tell him too. I don’t care how many turnovers happen and we get scored on and lose.

I don’t want him to hesitate at all thinking defense or positioning or blocking shot. Get in lane. Safe play. Nothing. Do you kid. You’re a superstar? Proof to us what you can do. Go adjust to speed of game. Go learn how to use angles. Go learn what nhl players look like. Support him with nothing but praise even when you know he failed for obvious reasons.


That’s how you fast track his development. He will figure some things out on his own. And teach him starting after the season. Breakdown how he does things first say 20 games then next 20 then at end of year.
- Stayin alive

Correct for the most part. Don't inhibit him as a player. Let him play his game, gain confidence and learn what he can do in the NHL. Let him learn from his mistakes. Coach him along the way but unless his shows an insubordinate attitude. Keep giving him the ice time and opportunity in all of the best offensive situations. Let him be who he is. No matter how many mistakes he makes. Don't tie one hand behind his back and make him into a checking forward before you let him loose. It will take time for him to grow and mature.