I agree with you on a couple of points here. Chicago, SJ and Anaheim clearly get it in terms of aggressiveness at the draft and stockpiling talent. The Flyers for whatever reason have been unwilling to do this, and I do believe Torts is the big reason why. Torts I think has a dream of taking a decent team that no one expects to win on an unprecendented deep run, knowing full well that team is not going to win it all and will certainly not be sustainable. Seems to fly in the face to what Briere and Jones state repeatedly about building this thing right so the team can truly contend year after year.

I think you also make a good point about Hathaway. I like him in all, but he could have got the Flyers yet another 2nd round pick next year at the deadline, and that is what aggressive rebuilding teams do. Its great the Flyers have picks, but if they go into next season with say the 15th, 22nd and 27th picks in the first round, does this really move the needle, even in a deeper draft?
- jd250

You were making some sense until you thought Hathaway could net a 2nd rounder. Guy is a fine fourth liner. That’s it. I’d be happy with a 3rd but no one is trading for him with 2 more years on a new deal unless he is somehow lights out. Which won’t happen seeing as he is 32 fing years old!

So when the Flyers have to extend Michkov, TK will be in year 3 of his 8 x $9.5m deal.
- Feanor

Totally normal to pay over 20 mil total for your top 2 rw players combined. I mean who doesn’t pay 20-25% of cap to your top 2 rw

Unfortunately, the overwhelming amount of available information points to not much changing with the Flyers. They continue to be stuck in their old archaic ways. Most recent example are Briere's recent comments concerning Michkov that he apparently made.
- MJL

Traded Walker knowing that would prob cost them the playoffs which it did. Traded Provy the offseason before for what now looks like a kings ransom. I get these two deals are linked, but they only received long term assets for these players thus the reason why they have 6 picks most likely in the top 40 next year. 6 picks in the top 40. A year that is supposed to be an outstanding draft year. They knowingly took on bad contracts for draft capital eliminating the possibility to sign vets in free agency. I hate to burst ur agenda bubble, but this is indeed a rebuild. Your vs of a rebuild may mean finishing in the bottom 3 of the league which is fair, but the flyers simply have too much young talent to do that right now. Thats just reality. That actually means that the rebuild might just be further along than you think and thats ok. They think Johnson will help the young guys. I get why they signed him. In general, I have no problem with Hathaway after what I saw last season.

Their job right now is to support Michcov. Sorry, but with him they will prob finish on the playoff bubble again. If you dont want that than you must trade Foester, Tipp n York. Is that something you want to do?

I not disagreeing with you, but you have to factor in losing Hart and then faltering down the stretch had a lot to do with where the Flyers ended up. Still, it all points to the same thing, a house of cards that is very fragile which means unsustainable. Briere and Jones say all the time the team is not close and they want to build this the right way, but their actions (which matter the most) are not consistent with their words. We know what Torts wants, he wants to go to war with a veteran team and make a run, and I am concerned Briere and Jones' actions are more consistent with Torts' desire than they are with building this the right way.

I'll be honest with you and everyone here, I think there is a good chance Chicago, Anaheim and SJ will pass the Flyers within 2 seasons unless Briere really makes some moves this off season and gets into the top 5 in the next draft.
- jd250

So if you see this…. And know this…. And flyers continue to do same thing over and over and over agsin…..


WHY DO YOU SUCK OFF EVERY MOVE THEY MAKE?

I love TK and want the Flyers to extend him, but at the right price. I think the Flyers will be ready to complete with TK leading the way, I really do. But if TK wants $10M for 8 years, sorry .. I just can't get there. TK does a lot of things well but to me the market was set yesterday with the Guentzel and Reinhart deals. Thus if I am Briere I hold firm. If TK does not want to sign a fair market deal, no choice but to trade him at the deadline next season.
- jd250

This is where I call BS on the rebuild….unless it’s the dumbest rebuild in the history of the league. It makes no sense to sign a guy that’s best years will be during the next 3 years when any normal rebuild focus’s on getting younger and developing those guys. The time line doesn’t work for Konecny. It makes to much sense to trade him for some future assets that both might add some pieces and hurt their chances of finishing in the middle of the pack and draft another Lachenko….when they should be aiming for another Michkov.
So you try to finish in the middle of the league on their current trajectory for the next 3 years and draft in the middle of the pack every year…someone brought up all these picks they have next year? What will the logically be….13-23-27….if they are lucky?
If Torts wants to impress me ….build a strong culture without Konecny, without Laughton, without Sanheim and without EJ…

Thanks Bill for the insight on the Danny Briere statement regarding potential moves that might still come to fruition.

The more I’ve had time to think about it the more the two signings from yesterday make sense. EJ is only 1 year and doesn’t appear to be taking a spot for a younger D. Better to play full time in LV than be #7 and just watch. GW is a decent 3/4 winger and isn’t breaking the bank. But the Flyers do need some veterans around with all these younger guys. This suggests that Laughton may be gone and possibly even TK.

Excited for Michkovs arrival! There’s nothing wrong with the coach teaching him how to play NHL hockey I only have concern because of the current coach’s methods. Hopefully Torts handles Michkov like Tippett instead of the way he handles Frost, Farabee and Coots.

I'm not buying the whole state-tax thing, especially with regards, to PA. On a $10MM salary it amounts to a measly $300K. If Reinhart is worth $8.6MM and TK wants the same money then he is worth just under $9MM. BUT he is not worth as much as Reinhart, so the $10MM demand is absolutely insane....
- mr4tno

TK aside, the state tax exemption is certainly a thing lol you’d be a fool to think otherwise. Folks don’t understand how contract negotiations work either, TK doesn’t think he’s going to get $10M.

Totally normal to pay over 20 mil total for your top 2 rw players combined. I mean who doesn’t pay 20-25% of cap to your top 2 rw
- Stayin alive

So if TK simply moved to lw you would be ok with it? He has played there before. Hes not gonna get 9.5 x 8. Maybe hes gets that avg on a shorter term, but I would def not support that number and would trade him. If he is closer to 8.25 x 8 I would consider it.

Unfortunately, the overwhelming amount of available information points to not much changing with the Flyers. They continue to be stuck in their old archaic ways. Most recent example are Briere's recent comments concerning Michkov that he apparently made.
- MJL

Plays well to those who buy the tickets and merch though. Remember that Comcast's core business is entertainment, not winning Stanley Cups, and that is what guided their hires.

So if TK simply moved to lw you would be ok with it? He has played there before. Hes not gonna get 9.5 x 8. Maybe hes gets that avg on a shorter term, but I would def not support that number and would trade him. If he is closer to 8.25 x 8 I would consider it.
- 26912 PP

Agreed with the only exception is the timing. Just no reason to lock up a good, not great, winger long term when you are nowhere near contending or even turning a corner to be a good team for that matter.

I not disagreeing with you, but you have to factor in losing Hart and then faltering down the stretch had a lot to do with where the Flyers ended up. Still, it all points to the same thing, a house of cards that is very fragile which means unsustainable. Briere and Jones say all the time the team is not close and they want to build this the right way, but their actions (which matter the most) are not consistent with their words. We know what Torts wants, he wants to go to war with a veteran team and make a run, and I am concerned Briere and Jones' actions are more consistent with Torts' desire than they are with building this the right way.

I'll be honest with you and everyone here, I think there is a good chance Chicago, Anaheim and SJ will pass the Flyers within 2 seasons unless Briere really makes some moves this off season and gets into the top 5 in the next draft.
- jd250

Chi/ana/sj. How many players over 30 they signing? Or extending… or are they moving all older players and good players like Hertl to assure they don’t win games now and raise draft position? Would they sign ej? Extended gh? Omg sign tk? No is the answer.


Get those teams out of your head. You can move onto any number of teams on decline right now and expect them to worse. And wisen up. And rebuild same as chi/ana/sj and pass Philly also.


We’ve been witness to this the last decade.


Same poop different day. This team will never learn. Status quo

Traded Walker knowing that would prob cost them the playoffs which it did. Traded Provy the offseason before for what now looks like a kings ransom. I get these two deals are linked, but they only received long term assets for these players thus the reason why they have 6 picks most likely in the top 40 next year. 6 picks in the top 40. A year that is supposed to be an outstanding draft year. They knowingly took on bad contracts for draft capital eliminating the possibility to sign vets in free agency. I hate to burst ur agenda bubble, but this is indeed a rebuild. Your vs of a rebuild may mean finishing in the bottom 3 of the league which is fair, but the flyers simply have too much young talent to do that right now. Thats just reality. That actually means that the rebuild might just be further along than you think and thats ok. They think Johnson will help the young guys. I get why they signed him. In general, I have no problem with Hathaway after what I saw last season.

Their job right now is to support Michcov. Sorry, but with him they will prob finish on the playoff bubble again. If you dont want that than you must trade Foester, Tipp n York. Is that something you want to do?
- 26912 PP

Both those first two moves involved taking back crap…a lot of crap. Otherwise you weren’t getting 1rst rnd picks. Not surprisingly Briere doesn’t seem to be able to make any hockey trades where by he is willing to take back a horrible contract…they’ve run out of room. They traded guys Torts didn’t like and guys that didn’t want to be here.
This rebuild looks a lot more like a retool, as they don’t appear interested in trading any vets that make them somewhat competitive….hence why we’ll be picking in the teens come next draft, long after the elite talent is off the board.

Yet you want to try to resign tk. Let season play out with him and move him at tdl if can’t sign him. So doesn’t having tk in lineup all year help them win games? Doesn’t that make draft position worse? See how that works. You can’t have both. What would flyers draft position been this year had tk been moved BEFORE season started? Even a few spots lands them 1 of the players they reportedly wanted (demigod or Richardinson) see how that works.
- Stayin alive

I think TK can be part of the solution here, but clearly trading him now would in fact make the Flyers pretty much a bottom 5 team in the league next year, no doubt. Could the Flyers trade other veteran players and also be in the bottom 1/3 of the league, absolutely. As I stated this team is a fragile house of cards, so between trading away players like Laughton and Farabee, the inevitable injuries to TK and Couts, and the assured overplaying of Deslauriers and the 4th line, the Flyers should be in good shape regardless.

Agreed with the only exception is the timing. Just no reason to lock up a good, not great, winger long term when you are nowhere near contending or even turning a corner to be a good team for that matter.
- ClaudeFather

100 %

I get the hathaway deal but you just lost all trade value, unless he has a great season.

TK, prefer trade but hope DB can use the recent signings to get a 7 or less on term and a low 8 on dollars. If it has to be, I'd rather a higher 8, with a 6 on the term.

I think TK can be part of the solution here, but clearly trading him now would in fact make the Flyers pretty much a bottom 5 team in the league next year, no doubt. Could the Flyers trade other veteran players and also be in the bottom 1/3 of the league, absolutely. As I stated this team is a fragile house of cards, so between trading away players like Laughton and Farabee, the inevitable injuries to TK and Couts, and the assured overplaying of Deslauriers and the 4th line, the Flyers should be in good shape regardless.
- jd250

Do you want a guy to be a solution in the next 3 years while we are trying to “rebuild”…then be a hindrance on the cap for the next 5 years?

This is where I call BS on the rebuild….unless it’s the dumbest rebuild in the history of the league. It makes no sense to sign a guy that’s best years will be during the next 3 years when any normal rebuild focus’s on getting younger and developing those guys. The time line doesn’t work for Konecny. It makes to much sense to trade him for some future assets that both might add some pieces and hurt their chances of finishing in the middle of the pack and draft another Lachenko….when they should be aiming for another Michkov.
So you try to finish in the middle of the league on their current trajectory for the next 3 years and draft in the middle of the pack every year…someone brought up all these picks they have next year? What will the logically be….13-23-27….if they are lucky?
If Torts wants to impress me ….build a strong culture without Konecny, without Laughton, without Sanheim and without EJ…
- landros 2

I can't disagree with anything you say here, I really can't. For whatever reason, and I think Torts is the reason, Briere has been reluctant to make some moves that will take the team a step back in the short term but ultimately pay huge dividends in the not so distant future. It was I that posted this earlier, if the Flyers are picking 15th, 22nd and 27th in a deeper draft, does this really move the needle? And doesn't extending Hathaway and TK put more pressure to win now versus taking a step back which we all know they need to in order to "build this thing right"?

Do you want a guy to be a solution in the next 3 years while we are trying to “rebuild”…then be a hindrance on the cap for the next 5 years?
- landros 2

But this is assuming TK is going to Suck after 3 seasons. That is not necessarily true.

Both those first two moves involved taking back crap…a lot of crap. Otherwise you weren’t getting 1rst rnd picks. Not surprisingly Briere doesn’t seem to be able to make any hockey trades where by he is willing to take back a horrible contract…they’ve run out of room. They traded guys Torts didn’t like and guys that didn’t want to be here.
This rebuild looks a lot more like a retool, as they don’t appear interested in trading any vets that make them somewhat competitive….hence why we’ll be picking in the teens come next draft, long after the elite talent is off the board.
- landros 2

People really do ignore the "crap" even though it was an essential part of the deals. The fallout from that crap was used to justify buying out Atkinson just this week, which was a bunch of bullcrap. There were other ways to clear Atkinson from the cap but the Flyers didn't want to hurt his feelings and instead added unnecessarily to the team's cap situation instead.

Do you want a guy to be a solution in the next 3 years while we are trying to “rebuild”…then be a hindrance on the cap for the next 5 years?
- landros 2

What real difference makers are on the team or in the pipeline. Michkov, foerester could be a really solid player in a couple years. No idea what we have in Luchanko and we won’t know for at least 3 years. They have close to nothing. Next years draft sets the stage for what it could look like. But not for at least 3-4 more years. So definitely sign TK for 8 years 😂

Chi/ana/sj. How many players over 30 they signing? Or extending… or are they moving all older players and good players like Hertl to assure they don’t win games now and raise draft position? Would they sign ej? Extended gh? Omg sign tk? No is the answer.


Get those teams out of your head. You can move onto any number of teams on decline right now and expect them to worse. And wisen up. And rebuild same as chi/ana/sj and pass Philly also.


We’ve been witness to this the last decade.


Same poop different day. This team will never learn. Status quo
- Stayin alive

Do you like read stuff on the internet of just keep your ear to the Flyerzbuzz echo chamber??

Chicago just signed 6 free agents yesterday, and the youngest is T Bertuzzi who will be 30 next year. They got guys, 34, 36, 36, 31 ..But same poop, different day .

https://chicago.suntimes....rtuzzi-broissoit-martinez

I can't disagree with anything you say here, I really can't. For whatever reason, and I think Torts is the reason, Briere has been reluctant to make some moves that will take the team a step back in the short term but ultimately pay huge dividends in the not so distant future. It was I that posted this earlier, if the Flyers are picking 15th, 22nd and 27th in a deeper draft, does this really move the needle? And doesn't extending Hathaway and TK put more pressure to win now versus taking a step back which we all know they need to in order to "build this thing right"?
- jd250

And that’s why I think Briere is not this great young bright GM they are trying to sell the fan base on. I’m seeing the same disjointed thinking I saw with the last two guys. The Konecny signing will just be the icing on the cake. It’s these half assed approaches that have the Flyers where they are.

But this is assuming TK is going to Suck after 3 seasons. That is not necessarily true.
- jd250

Maybe he is good for the next 5 years…maybe. That would still leave 4 years of paying a smallish winger, 175 lbs, who plays a physical game being paid like that well into his 30’s…a guy who has yet to eclipse 70 pts in a season.

So if you see this…. And know this…. And flyers continue to do same thing over and over and over agsin…..


WHY DO YOU SUCK OFF EVERY MOVE THEY MAKE?
- Stayin alive

This is not fair at all. I don't "suck off" every move they make. Just because I defended the Luchenko pick as not a reach does not mean I don't see what else is going on and agree with it. I try my best not to come from a jaded position as some on this forum do, where I assume Briere and Jones will be as bad or worse than Flether or Hextall. I give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. So far this off-season has been very, very disappointing and Briere and Jones are losing stock with me.

Maybe he is good for the next 5 years…maybe. That would still leave 4 years of paying a smallish winger, 175 lbs, who plays a physical game being paid like that well into his 30’s…a guy who has yet to eclipse 70 pts in a season.
- landros 2

I will say this, the fact that Michkov is here and we all hope will be the 1st line RW for this team for a decade or more, paying TK big money comparable to Reinhart of Guentzel make absolutely no sense. I wonder when Briere yesterday talked about some trades in the works if TK was part of any of them.