I not disagreeing with you, but you have to factor in losing Hart and then faltering down the stretch had a lot to do with where the Flyers ended up. Still, it all points to the same thing, a house of cards that is very fragile which means unsustainable. Briere and Jones say all the time the team is not close and they want to build this the right way, but their actions (which matter the most) are not consistent with their words. We know what Torts wants, he wants to go to war with a veteran team and make a run, and I am concerned Briere and Jones' actions are more consistent with Torts' desire than they are with building this the right way.

I'll be honest with you and everyone here, I think there is a good chance Chicago, Anaheim and SJ will pass the Flyers within 2 seasons unless Briere really makes some moves this off season and gets into the top 5 in the next draft.
- jd250

This is the beginning for you. You are starting the next phase in your all too familiar pattern. Slowly and gradually moving away from your ridiculous and obviously wrong previous positions. Slowly but surely after being completely obstinate to reality. There is more than a good chance that Chicago, Anaheim and SJ will pass the Flyers. It's a virtual guarantee. Add in Columbus to that list also.

As long as Tortorella is involved, add in Jones for that matter. The Flyers are going nowhere. Briere is not far behind.

Do you like read stuff on the internet of just keep your ear to the Flyerzbuzz echo chamber??

Chicago just signed 6 free agents yesterday, and the youngest is T Bertuzzi who will be 30 next year. They got guys, 34, 36, 36, 31 ..But same poop, different day .

https://chicago.suntimes....rtuzzi-broissoit-martinez
- Flyerz74

Different situation though. Chi has it's core players, it's franchise center (#1 overall), potential franchise d (#2 overall), a boat load of other picks, a clean cap and a ton of cap space. They are coming out of the tunnel that the Flyers have yet to enter.

Also, all the over 30 players are on 2 years or less contracts. Priced to move at the TDL, 3 of them are on 1 yr contracts and will all be UFAs before Hathaway. Hathaway makes more than Craig Smith and Maroon combined. They will be moved at the TDL because that's how you rebuild.

The longest contract given was 4 years at 5.5 per for a 29 yr old and he was the only one with a 4 yr contract and the highest pd.

These two things are not the same. CHI is going to go into next years draft with more picks and half these guys gone with no long term cap issues.

CHI is already thinking about the TDL while Danny is giving his players hugs.

TK is worth no less than a first round pick in 2025 and a prospect ready to make the leap to the NHL. Moving him should be an open net goal…but they’re trying to extend and they’re are actual crazies who want this to happen…

Traded Walker knowing that would prob cost them the playoffs which it did. Traded Provy the offseason before for what now looks like a kings ransom. I get these two deals are linked, but they only received long term assets for these players thus the reason why they have 6 picks most likely in the top 40 next year. 6 picks in the top 40. A year that is supposed to be an outstanding draft year. They knowingly took on bad contracts for draft capital eliminating the possibility to sign vets in free agency. I hate to burst ur agenda bubble, but this is indeed a rebuild. Your vs of a rebuild may mean finishing in the bottom 3 of the league which is fair, but the flyers simply have too much young talent to do that right now. Thats just reality. That actually means that the rebuild might just be further along than you think and thats ok. They think Johnson will help the young guys. I get why they signed him. In general, I have no problem with Hathaway after what I saw last season.


- 26912 PP

The Flyers attempted to re-sign Walker. They just couldn't come to an agreement on price. He was not traded because they're rebuilding. Provorov was traded because the player no longer wanted to play here. He was not traded because they're rebuilding. If it was, they would be following that up and we would be hearing noise on how the Flyers are trying to move Konecny and Laughton. There is no information that points to that. That blows any theory that the Flyers are rebuilding out of the water. I hate to burst your bubble but you obviously have no clue what a rebuild is. Flyers having those picks only really matter if they result in high picks where they can add more elite level talent. Like Chicago, SJ and Anaheim are. That's what a rebuild looks like. Then we see their poor decision making in the most recent draft. Passing on a player with a higher skill level to take the more all around player. Even referencing that part of the reason why they passed on a potential 1D is that they have Emil Andrae. LOL

The Flyers have Sanheim, York, Ristolainen and Seeler. All veteran players. Yet somehow they need Erik Johnson to help the young guys? LOL

Hathaway is a player you have if you're a contender. If you're not and are supposedly rebuilding. He is blocking youth and should be traded for another future asset.

You don't have a clue.

Their job right now is to support Michcov. Sorry, but with him they will prob finish on the playoff bubble again. If you dont want that than you must trade Foester, Tipp n York. Is that something you want to do?
- 26912 PP

The Metro got significantly better. The Flyers again will be below 20th in the league and won't make the playoffs. Not by plan but by incompetence. You're wrong that they need to trade Foerster, Tippett and York. They don't. They need to trade Konecny and Laughton.

Are people really crying over Hathaway getting a 25k raise? Who cares he got 2 more years. I thought people wanted them to be bad to get a high draft picks.

The Flyers currently have 3 fist round pick next year. Maybe they trade a player or 2 to pick up more picks. TK would be a juicy trade bait at the trade deadline. Laughton can get maybe a second, definitely a 3rd.

It is not your traditional rebuild, DB does not believe in tanking like the sixers did and building a culture of losing. Sixer fans are still waiting for that team to be champions.

After next season TDA and Petersen will be gone
In 2 years Hayes and Atkinson will be off the books.
When they are ready to sign MM to a new contract,: Laughton, RR, Ellis and Hathaway will be gone.

Hopefully by then, some of their draft picks are playing in the NHL and and they will have money to spend on free agents.

TK is worth no less than a first round pick in 2025 and a prospect ready to make the leap to the NHL. Moving him should be an open net goal…but they’re trying to extend and they’re are actual crazies who want this to happen…
- roenick97

https://www.nytimes.com/a...e-agency-team-needs-2024/


According to this article they believe 17 teams are in the market for a top 6/top line forward. There is a huge market for Konecny if Briere plays his cards right.

Are people really crying over Hathaway getting a 25k raise? Who cares he got 2 more years. I thought people wanted them to be bad to get a high draft picks.

The Flyers currently have 3 fist round pick next year. Maybe they trade a player or 2 to pick up more picks. TK would be a juicy trade bait at the trade deadline. Laughton can get maybe a second, definitely a 3rd.

It is not your traditional rebuild, DB does not believe in tanking like the sixers did and building a culture of losing. Sixer fans are still waiting for that team to be champions.

After next season TDA and Petersen will be gone
In 2 years Hayes and Atkinson will be off the books.
When they are ready to sign MM to a new contract,: Laughton, RR, Ellis and Hathaway will be gone.

Hopefully by then, some of their draft picks are playing in the NHL and and they will have money to spend on free agents.
- WhiskeyMan

No one is crying about a raise. However, many of us have a problem with him being resigned at all when it could have happened next off-season.

Different situation though. Chi has it's core players, it's franchise center (#1 overall), potential franchise d (#2 overall), a boat load of other picks, a clean cap and a ton of cap space. They are coming out of the tunnel that the Flyers have yet to enter.

Also, all the over 30 players are on 2 years or less contracts. Priced to move at the TDL, 3 of them are on 1 yr contracts and will all be UFAs before Hathaway. Hathaway makes more than Craig Smith and Maroon combined. They will be moved at the TDL because that's how you rebuild.

The longest contract given was 4 years at 5.5 per for a 29 yr old and he was the only one with a 4 yr contract and the highest pd.

These two things are not the same. CHI is going to go into next years draft with more picks and half these guys gone with no long term cap issues.
- Flyers_01

You can infer all you want, but that is not what was said. Chicago just signed 4 players over 30, with 2 over 35. Now if you want to throw chicago out of that mix, fine, but that wasn't the point being made.

Chi/ana/sj. How many players over 30 they signing? (4) Or extending… or are they moving all older players and good players like Hertl to assure they don’t win games now and raise draft position?

https://www.nytimes.com/a...e-agency-team-needs-2024/


According to this article they believe 17 teams are in the market for a top 6/top line forward. There is a huge market for Konecny if Briere plays his cards right.
- MBFlyerfan

I never was in doubt. Just don’t trade Boucher’s kid in Ottawa. Like, what are we doing here? The state of the team’s future improves instantly by trading Konency.

I will say this, the fact that Michkov is here and we all hope will be the 1st line RW for this team for a decade or more, paying TK big money comparable to Reinhart of Guentzel make absolutely no sense. I wonder when Briere yesterday talked about some trades in the works if TK was part of any of them.
- jd250

Victor Hedman just signed a 4 year extension @ 8 million per…I don’t a give a flying (frank) about the tax breaks…TK is not close to that class of player.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Michkov, Hathaway, Johnson, TK, Departing FAs, Dev Camp
- bmeltzer

Rebuilding teams do not extend 4th line plugs

People really do ignore the "crap" even though it was an essential part of the deals. The fallout from that crap was used to justify buying out Atkinson just this week, which was a bunch of bullcrap. There were other ways to clear Atkinson from the cap but the Flyers didn't want to hurt his feelings and instead added unnecessarily to the team's cap situation instead.
- Flyers_01

Watch for the fall out for TB and that team in how they walked away from Stamkos. There is no way other players like Guentzel will sign there. The Flyers had to do right by that future hall of famer and pillar of the Flyers franchise in Atkinson. Can't risk the fall out from mistreating the player. Shows how the Flyers are the gold standard of the league.

Rebuilding teams do not extend 4th line plugs
- corduroy

This is the least of the Flyers problems.

Traded Walker knowing that would prob cost them the playoffs which it did. Traded Provy the offseason before for what now looks like a kings ransom. I get these two deals are linked, but they only received long term assets for these players thus the reason why they have 6 picks most likely in the top 40 next year. 6 picks in the top 40. A year that is supposed to be an outstanding draft year. They knowingly took on bad contracts for draft capital eliminating the possibility to sign vets in free agency. I hate to burst ur agenda bubble, but this is indeed a rebuild. Your vs of a rebuild may mean finishing in the bottom 3 of the league which is fair, but the flyers simply have too much young talent to do that right now. Thats just reality. That actually means that the rebuild might just be further along than you think and thats ok. They think Johnson will help the young guys. I get why they signed him. In general, I have no problem with Hathaway after what I saw last season.

Their job right now is to support Michcov. Sorry, but with him they will prob finish on the playoff bubble again. If you dont want that than you must trade Foester, Tipp n York. Is that something you want to do?
- 26912 PP

Not true at all. Trees tip York weren’t the main reason they were bubble team last year.
Hart playing very well start of season
Tk had for most part great season
Coots for what he is had very good 1st half.
Torts structure helped too
Other teams bad seasons (ie nj) pushed Philly up


While yes you hope progression from younger players and even likely added with mm should make them not a top overall selection bad team but you take away the tk and laughts etc and that not only adds to assets (either players or picks) but helps not only assure more than likely a higher draft position but frees up cap in future and ice time which are both assets.

I will say this, the fact that Michkov is here and we all hope will be the 1st line RW for this team for a decade or more, paying TK big money comparable to Reinhart of Guentzel make absolutely no sense. I wonder when Briere yesterday talked about some trades in the works if TK was part of any of them.
- jd250

Is it safe to assume that in your eyes, Konecny is no longer the face of the franchise. No longer the player to build the team around? How many weeks ago were you stating that?

Unfortunately, the overwhelming amount of available information points to not much changing with the Flyers. They continue to be stuck in their old archaic ways. Most recent example are Briere's recent comments concerning Michkov that he apparently made.
- MJL

Briere said that they did the Hathaway contract because he was willing to take a similar AAV. He just made up out of thin air leverage for Hathaway that never existed. This is a highly concerning move. No other team in the league preemptively extends what is a fringe NHLer.

What real difference makers are on the team or in the pipeline. Michkov, foerester could be a really solid player in a couple years. No idea what we have in Luchanko and we won’t know for at least 3 years. They have close to nothing. Next years draft sets the stage for what it could look like. But not for at least 3-4 more years. So definitely sign TK for 8 years 😂
- ClaudeFather

Perfect summation and well said.

Watch for the fall out for TB and that team in how they walked away from him. There is no way other players like Guentzel will sign there. The Flyers had to do right by that future hall of famer and pillar of the Flyers franchise in Atkinson. Can't risk the fall out from mistreating the player. Shows how the Flyers are the gold standard of the league.
- MJL

Rangers are really hurting from not showing Goodrow "respect" as well. Only one team can be the Gold Standard.

Different situation though. Chi has it's core players, it's franchise center (#1 overall), potential franchise d (#2 overall), a boat load of other picks, a clean cap and a ton of cap space. They are coming out of the tunnel that the Flyers have yet to enter.

Also, all the over 30 players are on 2 years or less contracts. Priced to move at the TDL, 3 of them are on 1 yr contracts and will all be UFAs before Hathaway. Hathaway makes more than Craig Smith and Maroon combined. They will be moved at the TDL because that's how you rebuild.

The longest contract given was 4 years at 5.5 per for a 29 yr old and he was the only one with a 4 yr contract and the highest pd.

These two things are not the same. CHI is going to go into next years draft with more picks and half these guys gone with no long term cap issues.

CHI is already thinking about the TDL while Danny is giving his players hugs.
- Flyers_01

BOOM! Was about to write something similar but you nailed it.

Maybe he is good for the next 5 years…maybe. That would still leave 4 years of paying a smallish winger, 175 lbs, who plays a physical game being paid like that well into his 30’s…a guy who has yet to eclipse 70 pts in a season.
- landros 2

I obviously agree they should trade him, there is a real chance on an 8 year deal, TKs play could slip a good bit. Still, all factors should be considered, % of cap thru the life of the contract is one of them. An 8 million hit today, won't be the same in 4 years. Signing today at 8 mil, we should expect 30 plus goals, 70 plus point and for TK to be a driver of the team. As the cap moves up, TK ages, we should expect less, in fact the adjusted dollars will be paying for less. Does TK end of a 20 goal scorer in the back half of the contract, is that appropriate with the cap ceiling limit. I can just as easily see TK aging into his contract, ending as a middle six winger.

Wild cards, injury and the assets they missed by not trading.

Briere said that they did the Hathaway contract because he was willing to take a similar AAV. He just made up out of thin air leverage for Hathaway that never existed. This is a highly concerning move. No other team in the league preemptively extends what is a fringe NHLer.
- Just5

Hathaway is not a fringe NHLer. On a playoff team with a chance of contending, he is a player you want. He is very good in his role. Just not the right fit for the Flyers and a player they should've planned to move at the deadline for a future asset.

No one is crying about a raise. However, many of us have a problem with him being resigned at all when it could have happened next off-season.
- MBFlyerfan

True, but what happens if he a a great year and demands more than a 25k raise. Then you have to either have to pay him or hope to find someone to replace.

He is just a filler on the fourth line

So if TK simply moved to lw you would be ok with it? He has played there before. Hes not gonna get 9.5 x 8. Maybe hes gets that avg on a shorter term, but I would def not support that number and would trade him. If he is closer to 8.25 x 8 I would consider it.
- 26912 PP

No I wouldn’t be fine because 1) it’s not his natural position. Plus you have bee and trees that fit timeline better.
Maybe they get moved or don’t reach top potential. But a winger is the easiest player to replace.

For example had they moved these players 2 seasons ago at tdl or draft and didn’t have tk laughts etc this past season where are they likely to draft? Surely higher than 12. Do they finish 5? Who knows. But you certainly might’ve had a real chance at demigod for potential elite talent at lw.

The point is you have a chance. And certainly a lot better chance

Sadly, I think you are right. I like GH on the 4th but not sure why there was urgency on day one to extend him when there is a chance to get something at the deadline.
- Flyfly

Pretty funny that one season Flyers legend Garnet Hathaway got extended at the earliest opportunity, while some guy across state named Crosby is going into his UFA year.

True, but what happens if he a a great year and demands more than a 25k raise. Then you have to either have to pay him or hope to find someone to replace.

He is just a filler on the fourth line
- WhiskeyMan

If has a great year, that ups his value at the trade deadline. Which is what the plan should've been. He isn't just a filler on the 4th line. If you put Hathaway on the market at the deadline on an expiring contract, every contending team in the league would have interest.