What does Chicago have that the Flyers don't?
- MJL

You tell me.

If you say Bedard I can say the Flyers have MM who should have been a top 3 pick. He could be just as good.

But I think you are going to say willingness to tank.

How is that even remotely true.

Chicago also has the reigning Calder Trophy winner. And a prospect pool deeper than arguably anyone in the league.
- TobyFlenderson

It's not. He is routinely badly misinformed.

You tell me.

If you say Bedard I can say the Flyers have MM who should have been a top 3 pick. He could be just as good.

But I think you are going to say willingness to tank.
- WhiskeyMan

LOL, you need to do some research.

They don't need to replace him, as in finding a comparable player. They need to acquire future assets and use the lineup spot to develop younger players. Every team needs role players. Why do the Flyers continually have to find role players from outside the organization and overpay them? They routinely refuse to bring up younger players, let them play and live with the growing pains. Instead, players are left in the AHL until they're no longer in the teams picture and are moved. A lot of times due to lack of opportunity given.
- MJL

Exactly.

While I like Hathaway's game he should have been used as a TDL piece this year. Those types of players actually generate a pretty good return.

And if you want to be forward thinking, maybe I sign a guy with a skill set that I can trade at the TDL. Example Victor Olofson who was with Buffalo. Had a down season last year but can I get him on a cheap 1 year deal. He was a pretty good PP guy and had back to bakc 20 goal years. That is a guy I can take a chance on, hope he scores and then trade at the deadline to a playoff team.

Also I would give a look at Barrett Hayton. Had injuries last year but is only 24. Has good size and plays center. He would be an interesting player to maybe bring in on a 1 year deal and see if there is anything there.

Is it safe to assume that in your eyes, Konecny is no longer the face of the franchise. No longer the player to build the team around? How many weeks ago were you stating that?
- MJL

Konecny? Face of the franchise? LOLOLOL!

We all know that the God Emperor Tortorella the First is the face of this franchise!

https://www.nytimes.com/a...e-agency-team-needs-2024/


According to this article they believe 17 teams are in the market for a top 6/top line forward. There is a huge market for Konecny if Briere plays his cards right.
- MBFlyerfan

This is just how I see the market right now, teams that may be interested in TK or Laughton, what type of assets they have and cap space:

Konecny

Anaheim (2025 1st, Zegras, Gaucher) - TONS of cap space
Buffalo (2025 1st, Östlund, Savoie, R. Johnson) - Good cap space
Carolina (2025 1st, Kotkaniemi, Morrow) Cap space, need to sign Necas and Jarvis
Colorado (2026 1st, Ritchie, Gulyayev) Limited cap space
Minnesota (2025 1st, Rossi, Lambos, Peart) Very limited cap space
NY Islanders (2025 1st, Wahlstrom) Very limited cap space, RFAs to sign
Seattle (2025 1st, Tolvanen, Wright, Goyette, Firkus) Very limited cap space, RFAs to sign
Vancouver (2025 1st, Podkolzin, Lekkerimaki, Raty) No cap space
Vgeas (2027 1st, Brisson) Negative cap space


Laughton

Edmonton (2026 1st, Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault) Negative Cap space
Los Angeles (2025 1st, Turcotte) Limited cap space, RFAs to sign
Montreal (2025 1st, Xhekaj, Hutson) Good cap space
Pittsburgh (2025 1st, Poulin, Pickerting, Yager) Good cap space
St. Louis (2025 1st, Bolduc, Stenberg, Lindstein) Lots of cap space

now go and look at what CHI has in young talent on the roster and in the pipeline. One of those is a borderline generational player. And they have plenty of players to trade. Look at who was signed so far this offseason by CHI. All short term deals that they can flip for more assets this year and/or next. Past history tells us that CHI knows exactly how to rebuild and they will most likely take a step forward this year.
- Flyfly

I looked at the players they signed. I am not impressed with any of them.
Young players means crap, lots of teams have players in the pipeline.

I looked at the players they signed. I am not impressed with any of them.
Young players means crap, lots of teams have players in the pipeline.
- WhiskeyMan

Previously, Chicago had the 2nd ranked prospect base in the NHL. Then their top two prospects jumped to the NHL and they were still ranked in the top 10. They just drafted a defenseman 2nd overall with top pairing two way potential and already has NHL size.

Although I'm happy the Flyers have signed Michkov (and give props to GMDB for his work to get him over here), I was almost hoping it would be another year or two before he came over. Reason being the Flyers are likely not going to be good this coming or the following season, and chances are MM would have a more competitive team to play on in Russia. The thought of him steeping for an extra year or two in the Flyers mediocre at best atmosphere is a big, flashing yellow light to me.

But it's water under the bridge now - just hope the coaches can help him develop to his NHL potential, and that the team as a whole is better than I expect them to be.
- copelal

100% agree with this. I wanted mm as far away from torts and this mess for at least 1 or maybe 2 more years

I don't think he was in a good place in Russia. I can understand the concern around how Torts and us being bad will impact him. But when weighed against the situation over in Russia getting him out was the much smarter move.
- FlyersGrace

Fair point.

100% agree with this. I wanted mm as far away from torts and this mess for at least 1 or maybe 2 more years
- Stayin alive

Briere already guaranteed he won't go to the AHL. Which is funny, because he apparently wasn't able to do that with Gauthier in March 2023 even though the Flyers forward corps at the time was very thin.

Briere somehow couldn't find room on the roster for Gauthier even though guys like Hayes, JvR, Allison, Lemieux, Laczynski and Deslauriers were racking up major minutes.

I am not moving away from all of my previous positions, but as facts come up I will adapt what I think of the situation. For example, as I have stated many times, I would love TK to remian a Flyer. I think he is a great player. However, if he is going to demand Reinhart or Guentzel money I think the Flyers will have no choice but to move on from him and I think that is the right thing to do.

I also don't believe Luchenko was a reach, not wavering from that opinion.

But this does not stop me from being critical of the team or org when they deserve it. Last year I didn't like how Torts coached down the stretch, benching the captain, blowing off pressers and I stated as much. I think Torts more than anyone else was the reason the team faltered down the stretch. I have been critical of Briere for not being more aggressive in this draft, stating how other GMS from SJ/Chicago/Anaheim are schooling him right now. I have also stated going into next draft without a top 5 pick will be disasterous. So I been critical throughout. The difference is I don't kill them for everything that happens, for example the Guathier situation which I still believe the Flyers did nothing wrong and its on the player. Simialr situation now in Winnipeg.
- jd250

Think logically or try to
Cutter had no leverage. He can pout ghost then demand trade scream from the heavens do whatever the fuq he wants.

Under the cba Philly had his rights for 4 years plain and simple.
Philly decided to trade him. That’s 100% their fault. They made that decision not the player.


Cutter did not want to be in college or not in nhl for 4 years. No top prospect does. Ever. They want pro season to start especially elc as fast as possible so they can finish it and start making real good money with 2nd contract.


What Philly should have done is told him fine… we understand you’re mad we didn’t sign you a few months ago. We want to sign you now. Either you sign elc now or you can spend another 2.5 years in college.


And cutter would’ve signed because again no top prospect wants to spend 4 years not making money.


They caved plain and simple. The Winnipeg situation yes is basically the same but it’s the teams option not the players. Blame the team or hold them accountable. They have the full 100% not debatable contract control under the cba

What does Chicago have that the Flyers don't?
- MJL

🙋 ummmmm top elite talent and high end talent?

I love this. Sadly it is accurate of the Flyers and also of jd250's opinion.
- MJL

Honestly I totally get defending to point.. even wanting something that kinda makes sense to work out even if unlikely and defending that position but man the flyers are just the same song and dance over and over and such a laughingstock I can’t phantom how anyone can remain on those position til the end of time.

LOL, you need to do some research.
- MJL

I was told on Flyers facebook comments yesterday by multiple Flyers fans that Michkov is going to be better than Bedard. Such a large portion of this fanbase is completely clueless. It’s no wonder the front office gets away with its constant bs.

I looked at the players they signed. I am not impressed with any of them.
Young players means crap, lots of teams have players in the pipeline.
- WhiskeyMan

LOL, you are delusional. None of them are supposed to be world beaters. They will trade them and gain assets. What is so hard to understand about that? And I love how you completely glanced over their young elite talent. I get it... the Flyers can do no wrong in your eyes. It was worked out great for the last decade plus. 50 years and counting...

How is that even remotely true.

Chicago also has the reigning Calder Trophy winner. And a prospect pool deeper than arguably anyone in the league.
- TobyFlenderson

And to take it a step further they HAVE to trade some of that prospect pool eventually. Cant pay everyone or have spots. See Kings trading simmonds /schenn. It’s a stage of rebuild (last stage usually) to try to truly compete for cup.

You tell me.

If you say Bedard I can say the Flyers have MM who should have been a top 3 pick. He could be just as good.

But I think you are going to say willingness to tank.
- WhiskeyMan

Would you trade all the Flyers assets for the Hawks?

I just hope the Flyers learn from the disaster of this 1st round and continue to acquire 1st round picks for next year and better leverage the odds of putting together deals no one can pass on.

Flyers learning from their mistakes is a lot to ask. I know.

🙋 ummmmm top elite talent and high end talent?
- Stayin alive

here is the best one I have heard all year: "Young players means crap, lots of teams have players in the pipeline."

Think logically or try to
Cutter had no leverage. He can pout ghost then demand trade scream from the heavens do whatever the fuq he wants.

Under the cba Philly had his rights for 4 years plain and simple.
Philly decided to trade him. That’s 100% their fault. They made that decision not the player.


Cutter did not want to be in college or not in nhl for 4 years. No top prospect does. Ever. They want pro season to start especially elc as fast as possible so they can finish it and start making real good money with 2nd contract.


What Philly should have done is told him fine… we understand you’re mad we didn’t sign you a few months ago. We want to sign you now. Either you sign elc now or you can spend another 2.5 years in college.


And cutter would’ve signed because again no top prospect wants to spend 4 years not making money.


They caved plain and simple. The Winnipeg situation yes is basically the same but it’s the teams option not the players. Blame the team or hold them accountable. They have the full 100% not debatable contract control under the cba
- Stayin alive

Trouble is, the Flyers wanted Drysdale to help with the playoff push. They didn't have the patience to wait out Gauthier. And then Drysdale barely played and got blown out on the ice when he did play. Outscored 26 - 8 at ES.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

You tell me.

If you say Bedard I can say the Flyers have MM who should have been a top 3 pick. He could be just as good.

But I think you are going to say willingness to tank.
- WhiskeyMan

Have you considered this…..

Chicago won how many cups over last 15 years?
You watched them win cups
Ride the profit train of aging stars milking it
Toews/kane left when? 2 years ago?
Superstars like Panarin moved years ago
Complete gutting rebuild started 2 years ago
Generational bedard
#2 pick this year
Tons of high end talent added through draft
Tons of good talent added through draft

All within last 2 years.

With tons of high picks to add to that


And you come up we have mm should’ve been too 3 pick. Even give you a few York trees tip


One team signs the likes of seeler ej gh nd wants to extend tk keeps laughts etc etc etc.


Please tell me you haven’t hanged you’re hopes on a phone bill.

You tell me.

If you say Bedard I can say the Flyers have MM who should have been a top 3 pick. He could be just as good.

But I think you are going to say willingness to tank.
- WhiskeyMan

MM can't be just as good as Bedard for one simple reason, he doesn't play a cornerstone position. Crosby, McDavid, Stamkos, Bedard are centers. Wingers simply aren't though of as highly as centers. Regardless how well he does in the future, he's just never going to be that guy.

MM is valuable and could end up being the most valuable player on the Flyers but he's not a cornerstone. The Flyers do not understand roster building and never will.

Think about this, the Blackhawks had the #2 overall draft pick this year and there were no combination of players or picks the Flyers could've offered for it. Why? Because the Blackhawks were going to draft their second cornerstone player, a potential #1 franchise defenseman and those guys are worth their weight in gold. What good is having all these extra draft picks if they can't buy you what you need? Getting to 4th this year would've cost MORE than 3 1sts and according to Bill they might've drafted Jett at that spot.

No, the Flyers only hope is that projected exceptional players at cornerstone positions fall to them like Buium but even then there's no guarantee they will recognize it.

Exactly.

While I like Hathaway's game he should have been used as a TDL piece this year. Those types of players actually generate a pretty good return.

And if you want to be forward thinking, maybe I sign a guy with a skill set that I can trade at the TDL. Example Victor Olofson who was with Buffalo. Had a down season last year but can I get him on a cheap 1 year deal. He was a pretty good PP guy and had back to bakc 20 goal years. That is a guy I can take a chance on, hope he scores and then trade at the deadline to a playoff team.

Also I would give a look at Barrett Hayton. Had injuries last year but is only 24. Has good size and plays center. He would be an interesting player to maybe bring in on a 1 year deal and see if there is anything there.
- J35Bacher

Kinda hard to do those things when extending gh ej etc etc etc

Briere already guaranteed he won't go to the AHL. Which is funny, because he apparently wasn't able to do that with Gauthier in March 2023 even though the Flyers forward corps at the time was very thin.

Briere somehow couldn't find room on the roster for Gauthier even though guys like Hayes, JvR, Allison, Lemieux, Laczynski and Deslauriers were racking up major minutes.
- Feanor

Honestly I don’t blame db necessarily for not signing cutter right away. For whatever reason. I do blame him for trading him. He had 100% control over him for 4 years. He caved. For whatever reason. That’s a mistake he won’t ever live down no matter how anyone tries to spin it.


The United States does not negotiate with terrorist is the only stance to take when a cutter pulls a cutter. Interesting to see if winnepeg caves