Dude when did you get out of juvenile detention? Why can't you move on from the past? Why did dubas sign EK if there in a rebuild? I'll wait for the answer but I'm sure you will bring up Mario or some other player from the past. I'll pass on the alcohol man. Now go do your drugs in your mom's basement.
- jb55

Well they did not sign EK, they traded for him. They made moves last season in an attempt for 1 more shot. Those moves did not work out. They missed the playoffs. This is not rocket science. You act like a 4 year old child. I would bet mommy and daddy gave you everything you ever wanted in life, leading to your sense of entitlement and later your alcoholism. Did they pay for your rehab to?

That's what happens when you bring in a 10 mil dollar contract for 3 years on a rebuild. Lol duh
- jb55

Explain to me what EK65 has to do with the oilers cap situation.

My apologies there shim91..Wrong person..Please forgive me oh greatness one. Another person who never is wrong.
- jb55

How sad is it that you have 6 account to troll hockeybuzz?

Oh boy..And I stress boy. Thanks for your concern about me...Just kidding dork. Just for the record man, you'd be someones B+++ch if you talked that way in my experienced life of work.. So dubas can ahead and ask the core to waive the NTC? I would and get value while you can. The only value would be crosby or maybe letang? Lars eller would be a good trade now, he had a good season last year. Malkin? He's like EK and not sure they move him as witnessed with his slowness and stupid penaties he takes. You never know though I guess?

PS You paid for my rehab.
- jb55

you can stop with the I would be somebody's female dog on your line of work. You are likely a prison guard or work in a jail based on your adult babysitting comment. I was an actual cop for 30 years. Not some wanna be like yourself.

As far as trades and moves, Dubas has to get fair value for folks like Eller. Letang, Malkin and Crosby will not be traded. Nobody said they agreed with how Dubas is going about a rebuild, or even the best way to do it, but the Penguins are not interested in improving to be a contender. Dubas has made it clear he is eyeing the future and trying to obtain young assetts/picks. How many different ways do people need to tell you this? I bet you are a NY Rangers fan....

lol missing the playoffs again really put this board into a tailspin. Let’s stop puffing our chests out and resume our outrages hypothetical trades and terrible FA ideas.

Petterson to whoever for a 1st and a 2nd

Use those picks in some fashion to get Ehlers and Rutger mcgroaty?

lol missing the playoffs again really put this board into a tailspin. Let’s stop puffing our chests out and resume our outrages hypothetical trades and terrible FA ideas.

Petterson to whoever for a 1st and a 2nd

Use those picks in some fashion to get Ehlers and Rutger mcgroaty?
- Brownsoldier

Nah, we should be able to pick up Ehlers and McGroaty with a package based around Graves.

lol missing the playoffs again really put this board into a tailspin. Let’s stop puffing our chests out and resume our outrages hypothetical trades and terrible FA ideas.

Petterson to whoever for a 1st and a 2nd

Use those picks in some fashion to get Ehlers and Rutger mcgroaty?
- Brownsoldier

The board is fine. We just have trolls that stop by with stupid ideas and opinions lol

Nah, we should be able to pick up Ehlers and McGroaty with a package based around Graves.
- MickV

Ok you might be on to something… I hope Dubas uses this board as a think tank to influence his decisions lol

lol missing the playoffs again really put this board into a tailspin. Let’s stop puffing our chests out and resume our outrages hypothetical trades and terrible FA ideas.

Petterson to whoever for a 1st and a 2nd

Use those picks in some fashion to get Ehlers and Rutger mcgroaty?
- Brownsoldier

This is what I say. Trade Petterson while his contract is low and get something good. Sign Oliver kylington. Graves gonna sink us anyways.

This is what I say. Trade Petterson while his contract is low and get something good. Sign Oliver kylington. Graves gonna sink us anyways.
- 10inchTerror

Graves contract is awful but his play isn’t even what remotely sank the Pens season last year lol he makes some baffling choices and as bad as he looked at specific instances, he’s definitely not the biggest issue.

Graves contract is awful but his play isn’t even what remotely sank the Pens season last year lol he makes some baffling choices and as bad as he looked at specific instances, he’s definitely not the biggest issue.
- j.boyd919

He was an issue. The biggest issue last season was a power play that gave up more chances than it generated.....

lol missing the playoffs again really put this board into a tailspin. Let’s stop puffing our chests out and resume our outrages hypothetical trades and terrible FA ideas.

Petterson to whoever for a 1st and a 2nd

Use those picks in some fashion to get Ehlers and Rutger mcgroaty?
- Brownsoldier

People who disagreed with keeping the big three together or trading for Karlsson are just coming out because they feel vindicated. It hasn't led to another playoff appearance and doesn't look like it will.

I think they could have competed if management hadn't pulled the plug by trading Guentzel and the moves they made this off-season, but we'll never know that.

I personally would have preferred they continued a little longer though without trading high end futures to plug holes. But I can't say for sure that leads back to the playoffs. This might have been the right time to do it.

Those who thought there was a better move than Karlsson to compete last year? Well, I still haven't heard a realistic idea. Even if it didn't work as great as hoped I still think they were better with EK than who they traded to get him.

But those who would have preferred to pull the plug a little earlier and start a rebuild rather than keep Malkin, Letang, Rust, and Rackell? That's fine by me, I always said not everyone would be on board with letting the stars play out their careers once the championship window was closed. I wanted something different, but I get that.

People who disagreed with keeping the big three together or trading for Karlsson are just coming out because they feel vindicated. It hasn't led to another playoff appearance and doesn't look like it will.

I think they could have competed if management hadn't pulled the plug by trading Guentzel and the moves they made this off-season, but we'll never know that.

I personally would have preferred they continued a little longer though without trading high end futures to plug holes. But I can't say for sure that leads back to the playoffs. This might have been the right time to do it.

Those who thought there was a better move than Karlsson to compete last year? Well, I still haven't heard a realistic idea. Even if it didn't work as great as hoped I still think they were better with EK than who they traded to get him.

But those who would have preferred to pull the plug a little earlier and start a rebuild rather than keep Malkin, Letang, Rust, and Rackell? That's fine by me, I always said not everyone would be on board with letting the stars play out their careers once the championship window was closed. I wanted something different, but I get that.
- Tojo.

Any competent NHL defenseman under 5k is a better idea than EK.

I was happy when we traded for Karlsson, just wished they retained more cap. Now I feel if you aren't going to push all in, you may as well trade him in the near future. For the cap space and potential young talent we may acquire.

I think if we trade Pettersson it should be a hockey deal then again I would have traded him if we also brought POJ back.

I think we are going to load up on cap space so we can make a run at Marner next offseason (since him and Dubas had a great relationship).

Any competent NHL defenseman under 5k is a better idea than EK.
- Grinder47

You just proved Tojo's point hahaha

Graves contract is awful but his play isn’t even what remotely sank the Pens season last year lol he makes some baffling choices and as bad as he looked at specific instances, he’s definitely not the biggest issue.
- j.boyd919

You should know by now I respect the underlying numbers but I also really believe in eye test. I don't care what Graves underlying numbers say I just didn't like his game, most games. To be fair he did seem a bit better to my eyes the last third of season before getting injured. Like, EK had a lot of turnovers, too many, but he still produced good. I get that 56 points isnt enough for a 10 mill Dman but that's still really f'n good production for a Dman, especially when you considered a lot of it was ES. So, it's easier for me to forgive EKs blunders.

I was happy when we traded for Karlsson, just wished they retained more cap. Now I feel if you aren't going to push all in, you may as well trade him in the near future. For the cap space and potential young talent we may acquire.

I think if we trade Pettersson it should be a hockey deal then again I would have traded him if we also brought POJ back.

I think we are going to load up on cap space so we can make a run at Marner next offseason (since him and Dubas had a great relationship).
- 123Kid

With the pivot they made, it would make sense to pivot from EK if they can. That deal was for the first two years IMO. Last two years we no longer can say look at the contracts they unloaded because those will be gone.

You should know by now I respect the underlying numbers but I also really believe in eye test. I don't care what Graves underlying numbers say I just didn't like his game, most games. To be fair he did seem a bit better to my eyes the last third of season before getting injured. Like, EK had a lot of turnovers, too many, but he still produced good. I get that 56 points isnt enough for a 10 mill Dman but that's still really f'n good production for a Dman, especially when you considered a lot of it was ES. So, it's easier for me to forgive EKs blunders.
- MattStrat

I agree. Graves fancy stats aren't terrible, certainly not second coming of JJ bad. But you watch him play and you can't have that level of mistakes from a well paid defensive defenseman.

I just saw that Murashov surprisingly came to prospect camp and that the Pens are discussing trying to bring over to the US this year. I've considered putting him as high as 4 or even over Pickering for 3 among Pens prospects. I think I'd wait a year so he and Blomquist aren't splitting starts. But it's encouraging as a Russian prospect that he's at least showing interest in coming to North America already.

With the pivot they made, it would make sense to pivot from EK if they can. That deal was for the first two years IMO. Last two years we no longer can say look at the contracts they unloaded because those will be gone.
- Tojo.

It’s the half in half out approach that’s annoying. The team has no direction.

I have a feeling Graves and EK will have better seasons this year.

Biggest problem last years was the PP which includes the coach. Nothing else was close.

Taylor Haase does a nice job on the Pens prospects. She's been covering the development camp. Pretty good read on Pickering today. I you can read most stuff without a membership now.

It’s the half in half out approach that’s annoying. The team has no direction.
- buckster2342

Yeah I'll agree. I'm not sure how this keeps the core guys happy. Especially Malkin who has so little time left.

It’s the half in half out approach that’s annoying. The team has no direction.
- buckster2342

Yeah I'll agree. I'm not sure how this keeps the core guys happy. Especially Malkin who has so little time left.

I just saw that Murashov surprisingly came to prospect camp and that the Pens are discussing trying to bring over to the US this year. I've considered putting him as high as 4 or even over Pickering for 3 among Pens prospects. I think I'd wait a year so he and Blomquist aren't splitting starts. But it's encouraging as a Russian prospect that he's at least showing interest in coming to North America already.
- Tojo.

I think with any Russian player if you can get them over here you do it. They'll find him playing time. Not worth the risk of him getting stuck over there if you don't bring him over now.