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I'm not as down on Lindgren as everyone else, I think he'll be here next year on a reasonable 2 year extension

Trouba is extremely overpaid, we all know that one, he's a 4 mil cap hit at best at this stage of his career
- jimbro83

Im not as down on Lindgren as I may seem, I think the problem is Lindgren is more so a 2nd/3rd pairing LD that should be making around 3.5m.

Who are “a lot of people”? He was by almost any metric a good defenseman this season
- picklerick

Metrics don’t account for how soft miller is and how hard Lindgren is…on the puck

THIS IS WHY METRICS ARE RUINING HOCKEY..because no one can make a damn opinion on anything without someone shoving them down our throats

Vent over

Who are “a lot of people”? He was by almost any metric a good defenseman this season
- picklerick

again I think it goes back to recency bias, there were times he was shredded in the playoffs, his giveaways leading to Florida goals

Metrics don’t account for how soft miller is and how hard Lindgren is.

THIS IS WHY METRICS ARE RUINING HOCKEY..because no one can make a damn opinion on anything without someone shoving them down our throats

Vent over
- Slimtj100

do you understand that “metrics” mean “anything that is measurable”?? You’re showing your whole ass here. Nowhere did I say fancy stats or advanced metrics

This is where you people lose me

do you understand that “metrics” mean “anything that is measurable”?? You’re showing your whole ass here. Nowhere did I say fancy stats or advanced metrics
- picklerick

hard and soft aren’t measured tho (unless it’s a penis)

Lindgren doesn’t suck because his metrics suck tho lol I’d take a dozen Lindgrens on my hockey team over a dozen millers

And you lose me here too this is why we fight 🤷🏻‍♂️

I like Lindgren and I like K'Andre so I don't know what side I'm on here

I like Lindgren and I like K'Andre so I don't know what side I'm on here
- jimbro83

You're on the side of let TJ and the Pickle argue about nonsense.

I like Lindgren and I like K'Andre so I don't know what side I'm on here
- jimbro83

I think trading miller would get more back because of the offensive potential he has. But we’re (frank)ed without either of them tbh. Miller just needs to get meaner and stronger and use his size more.

You're on the side of let TJ and the Pickle argue about nonsense.
- JRR1285

The metrics guys can’t form opinions with their own eyes is what gets me. It’s all what is on the paper/chart and NOTHING else matters

I love Rick tho. He ain’t my beef

I like Lindgren and I like K'Andre so I don't know what side I'm on here
- jimbro83

I like both. I think Miller should be a little more physical/aggressive and maybe is when he fills out some more, but trading him is a massive mistake.

Signing Lindgren is a mistake. We saw what happened to Girardi at a certain point, the same will happen to Lindgren.

hard and soft aren’t measured tho (unless it’s a penis)

Lindgren doesn’t suck because his metrics suck tho lol I’d take a dozen Lindgrens on my hockey team over a dozen millers

And you lose me here too this is why we fight 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

You just don’t understand that you are hardwired to trigger yourself into thinking that there’s some blind loyalty to advanced metrics especially if they say the opposite of what you believe about a player.

Except. I was just saying miller had a good year tainted by some really optically bad mistakes that I’ve mentioned countless times already. Any way you look at it he was a positive impact player for our team. You’re the rigid one with no room for nuance with your “hard vs soft” hang up. Sure, lindgren plays a tougher game. Cool story. Wish miller was better but he’s still good.

You're on the side of let TJ and the Pickle argue about nonsense.
- JRR1285

I do think that K'Andre is still a developing young defenseman who hasn't even scratched the service of what he's capable of, but he's (frank)ed up in some key moments

I think we know what Lindgren can do, isn't going to get much better, however, I'd don't see who would take his 20+ "hard" minutes a nigh tif he wasnt here next season

The metrics guys can’t form opinions with their own eyes is what gets me. It’s all what is on the paper/chart and NOTHING else matters

I love Rick tho. He ain’t my beef
- Slimtj100

I can not argue about poop I’m not saying anymore lol. This is maddening. You’re insane

Why it made sense to me to move just one of Trouba or Lindgren. But yea with free agency over not sure how they replace them. Would have loved ghost on his deal
- TPC

He would have to be on the third pair defensively. Plus, I guess he would play point on second power play. In Carolina, he might play opposite or replace Burns on the first unit.

I like Lindgren and Kandre

You just don’t understand that you are hardwired to trigger yourself into thinking that there’s some blind loyalty to advanced metrics especially if they say the opposite of what you believe about a player.

Except. I was just saying miller had a good year tainted by some really optically bad mistakes that I’ve mentioned countless times already. Any way you look at it he was a positive impact player for our team. You’re the rigid one with no room for nuance with your “hard vs soft” hang up. Sure, lindgren plays a tougher game. Cool story. Wish miller was better but he’s still good.
- picklerick

I don’t see Lindgren making as many mistakes as Miller when I watch games. Is that fair? Or do I need my eyes checked lol

I don’t see Lindgren making as many mistakes as Miller when I watch games. Is that fair? Or do I need my eyes checked lol
- Slimtj100

For a similar reason I don’t see you making as many mistakes out there on the ice… miller is transporting the puck way more.. what are we talking about now?

I like both. I think Miller should be a little more physical/aggressive and maybe is when he fills out some more, but trading him is a massive mistake.

Signing Lindgren is a mistake. We saw what happened to Girardi at a certain point, the same will happen to Lindgren.
- nyrangers9479

well signing Lindgren long term could be a mistake, but they don't have to do that, it could be 1 or 2 years, especially if he goes to arbitration

The metrics guys can’t form opinions with their own eyes is what gets me. It’s all what is on the paper/chart and NOTHING else matters

I love Rick tho. He ain’t my beef
- Slimtj100

TJ, Lindgren did not have a good series versus Carolina, neither honestly did Fox. The metrics just prove that point. Miller has his worst series against Florida in my opinion. Nether blueliner was particularly good honestly. Not sure if any of the d-men has a strong series overall versus Florida. Maybe Schneider, though he too didn't stand out positively. Missed reads, missed pinches, out battled 1:1, kind of a cacophony of errors.

For a similar reason I don’t see you making as many mistakes out there on the ice… miller is transporting the puck way more.. what are we talking about now?
- picklerick

Lindgren is more of the stay at home guy. Miller definitely needs to transport it more and do more offensively. He was a huge problem vs Florida with that.

I don’t see Lindgren making as many mistakes as Miller when I watch games. Is that fair? Or do I need my eyes checked lol
- Slimtj100

They don't stand out as much.

TJ, Lindgren did not have a good series versus Carolina, neither honestly did Fox. The metrics just prove that point. Miller has his worst series against Florida in my opinion. Nether blueliner was particularly good honestly. Not sure if any of the d-men has a strong series overall versus Florida. Maybe Schneider, though he too didn't stand out positively. Missed reads, missed pinches, out battled 1:1, kind of a cacophony of errors.
- airjan23

Florida was just absolutely relentless, they are a goddamn great team

Lindgren is more of the stay at home guy. Miller definitely needs to transport it more and do more offensively. He was a huge problem vs Florida with that.
- Slimtj100

They are different players. I don’t even know why we’re comparing them. I was just taking issue with miller supposedly having a bad season and then you got all defensive about stuff I wasn’t even talking about and now we’ve gone almost a whole page talking past each other lol

Florida was just absolutely relentless, they are a goddamn great team
- jimbro83

That is true. Also doesn't mean that the D didn't struggle, as did the forwards, which we know.