Well, no, I wouldn't. Outside of the top 5, it becomes more of a crap shoot. You might get Tyson Jost or Alex Nylander - those are disappointments. But a 3C with ridiculous wheels, defensive ability (including PK) and some offense? There is no shame in that. You hope for more, but are happy with a good 3C at #9.

It was interesting to hear Gerbe say that he is also in the mix to be a captain. I believe he said that they see him as the new Gaustad.
- Slump Buster

Dahlin will get the C. I am guessing he meant McLeod would get an A

And unless you’re elite in the pros, being labeled a bad teammate usually is one of the things not forgiven. Evander Kane is prime example of this. How much has he gone for in trades? poopty human and teammate, elite hockey player.
- SDSabre

Kane had much bigger problems than that.

On the night before his NHL debut. Not just some random practice. That’s pretty telling. Imagine being late to work on your first day because you were out all night? Now imagine a team has invested so much time and capital developing you and then when you’re ready to start you’re out late the night before what should be the most important thing in your life to date?
- Stripes77

where was the team captain during all of this?

Well, Ehlers would have too. Except they want more for less.

Zegras, you get a good price point (dollars) and RFA years.

Ehlers you get a better winger and a massive gamble considering the cost.
- TheSabresTaco

Zegras is gonna hurt considerably more than Ehlers, especially with the contract situation. Winnipeg was never getting what they were asking

where was the team captain during all of this?
- homiedclown

Sauna

- washedup20

Zegras is gonna hurt considerably more than Ehlers, especially with the contract situation. Winnipeg was never getting what they were asking
- Buff36

Zegras has 2 years under contract. This year and next year.

So for now, not a big deal. Worry about that problem later.

It’s always easy in the nhl to dump off players to open up cap space.

Greenway for example at 3 mill. Dump him for a 3rd to some random team.

Zegras has 2 years under contract. This year and next year.

So for now, not a big deal. Worry about that problem later.

It’s always easy in the nhl to dump off players to open up cap space.

Greenway for example at 3 mill. Dump him for a 3rd to some random team.
- Sabretooth9

Still a RFA after those 2 years to

Thats ridiculous if true

- DirtyDan

The ol he’s available but not really available.

I think that's a lot of trying to rationalize something disappointing.

If Benson stagnates into a good two-way 3LW, no one will be happy.

If you have a top 10 pick, you think you're getting a top 6/top 4 guy. That's the best place to find them.
- Lunaion

Top 10 picks are dependent of where you are actually drafting no? For the sake of the argument, looking back at picks 7-10, from 2016 on, it’s an incredibly mixed bag with basically a lot of middle six talent headlined by a few top end players in: Keller, Sergachev, Hughes, Cozens, Bouchard. Then it’s question marks or guys like Mitts, Quinn, Zegras, Tippett. Also in the list are wouldn’t include in an Eichel package Kravtzov, former Sabres legends Nylander and Jost, and a host of 4th liners. So you can “hope” that these guys become the next Quinn Hughes all you want, the likely hood is very low

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He was ranked in the Top 5 on a lot of boards
- Buff36

June 28th - 30th

Hockeybuzz: "Adams is sleeping/incompetent/lazy because he can't get deals done when a handful of other teams are making deals. He can't close. Other general managers hate him and won't do business with him. He can't even overpay to make a trade. We are doomed!"

July 1st

Adams: Signs two three free agents for the bottom 6 and makes a trade for a 4th liner.
HB: "Ok, there are some decent moves there. I can't believe we gave up a 2nd instead of a 3rd for that player. But we don't have a 3C yet. Doom is still around the corner.

July 5
Adams: In a seller's market, makes a trade for the 3C that they have targeted.
Some of hockeybuzz: "That's terrible asset management!"

All of this boils down to one thing: people have hated on Adams for so long (often with good reason) that they have lost objectivity. I see it all day long on twitter in other areas of life. They don't want to be objective, they want to complain.

People forget that Savoie's story has not been written, yet people have talked about him as if he is already Nylander. He still might very well end up being a fabulous 2nd line winger. Hell, he might have been that here. It is the context that is missing: We had 2 or 3 spots to fill in order to become a very good lineup, and we moved a prospect whose value had stalled and no longer fit in our plans for a variety of reasons for one of those spots. And this is a problem... how? I am going to guess that we wanted them to take Savoie over other prospects.

Put it another way: What if Adams hadn't made the trade because he wanted to inflate Savoie's value, and we all heard about it later? We'd be killing him because we are still overloaded with assets and he sat on his hands. Literally overloaded. If Edmonton didn't want Krebs, Neuchev or draft picks for Mcleod, I can't believe people have their panties in a jumble over losing Savoie. Didn't we all scream for trades and encouraged him to make them even though there would be overpayments?

Made a mock offseason for next year. Gave Peterka 5.5, Quinn 4, Byram 4.9, Levi 1.9, UPL 3.25.

Traded for Zegras using picks prospects, kept and brought up Kulich, kept the 4th line with modest raises for McLeod Krebs NAK and Beck. Have 3.4M in space. Zegras and Benson go RFA when Skinner is owed 6.4M. Which means if all stays equal the following season, and betting on that season to be 96M in cap, you have about 5.5M to sign both. Zegras at 6.5, (+1), Benson at, who knows, 4? (+3), you should be able to do this.

Clifton is an easy cap expenditure if you need it too, as he's UFA in 2 years.

Kane had much bigger problems than that.
- Lunaion

we get it he's black

Zegras is gonna hurt considerably more than Ehlers, especially with the contract situation. Winnipeg was never getting what they were asking
- Buff36

they rolled the dice and did this same dance with Schiefele and Hellebuyck. fake available.

June 28th - 30th

Hockeybuzz: "Adams is sleeping/incompetent/lazy because he can't get deals done when a handful of other teams are making deals. He can't close. Other general managers hate him and won't do business with him. He can't even overpay to make a trade. We are doomed!"

July 1st

Adams: Signs two three free agents for the bottom 6 and makes a trade for a 4th liner.
HB: "Ok, there are some decent moves there. I can't believe we gave up a 2nd instead of a 3rd for that player. But we don't have a 3C yet. Doom is still around the corner.

July 5
Adams: In a seller's market, makes a trade for the 3C that they have targeted.
Some of hockeybuzz: "That's terrible asset management!"

All of this boils down to one thing: people have hated on Adams for so long (often with good reason) that they have lost objectivity. I see it all day long on twitter in other areas of life. They don't want to be objective, they want to complain.

People forget that Savoie's story has not been written, yet people have talked about him as if he is already Nylander. He still might very well end up being a fabulous 2nd line winger. Hell, he might have been that here. It is the context that is missing: We had 2 or 3 spots to fill in order to become a very good lineup, and we moved a prospect whose value had stalled and no longer fit in our plans for a variety of reasons for one of those spots. And this is a problem... how? I am going to guess that we wanted them to take Savoie over other prospects.

Put it another way: What if Adams hadn't made the trade because he wanted to inflate Savoie's value, and we all heard about it later? We'd be killing him because we are still overloaded with assets and he sat on his hands. Literally overloaded. If Edmonton didn't want Krebs, Neuchev or draft picks for Mcleod, I can't believe people have their panties in a jumble over losing Savoie. Didn't we all scream for trades and encouraged him to make them even though there would be overpayments?
- Slump Buster

https://thehockeywriters....l-draft-prospect-profile/
No I wouldn't because he wasn't just a Top 10 pick, he was a top 5 who fell to us that a lot on here were praising Adams for. He was Top 3 on a few.

they rolled the dice and did this same dance with Schiefele and Hellebuyck. fake available.
- TheSabresTaco

I think the difference here is that they will absolutely move Ehlers by the deadline. They seem to be comfortable going into the season with him and risking injury.

Even if we don't make a move for the second line wing now, I suspect that one is made by the trade deadline if one of the kids doesn't take it.

https://thehockeywriters.com/matthew-savoie-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/
No I wouldn't because he wasn't just a Top 10 pick, he was a top 5 who fell to us that a lot on here were praising Adams for. He was Top 3 on a few.
- Buff36

potential means potential

they rolled the dice and did this same dance with Schiefele and Hellebuyck. fake available.
- TheSabresTaco

Yeah, and screwed Adams in the process I believe. Don't think Adams makes that Trade back unless he thought he had something.

potential means potential
- TheSabresTaco

Yep, so I very much hope McLeod is a piece to the puzzle

I think the difference here is that they will absolutely move Ehlers by the deadline. They seem to be comfortable going into the season with him and risking injury.

Even if we don't make a move for the second line wing now, I suspect that one is made by the trade deadline if one of the kids doesn't take it.
- Slump Buster

In reality for costs sake they need one kid to make it by next season to jump into Greenway's spot. I am almost sure they don't want to rely on two, and rather get a guy like Zegras.

Top 10 picks are dependent of where you are actually drafting no? For the sake of the argument, looking back at picks 7-10, from 2016 on, it’s an incredibly mixed bag with basically a lot of middle six talent headlined by a few top end players in: Keller, Sergachev, Hughes, Cozens, Bouchard. Then it’s question marks or guys like Mitts, Quinn, Zegras, Tippett. Also in the list are wouldn’t include in an Eichel package Kravtzov, former Sabres legends Nylander and Jost, and a host of 4th liners. So you can “hope” that these guys become the next Quinn Hughes all you want, the likely hood is very low
- SDSabre

I get the point you're trying to make. But those 'question marks' are guys the Sabres would kill for. I get there's risk, but it's also the best chance finding top tier talent.

Yep, so I very much hope McLeod is a piece to the puzzle
- Buff36

I hope as well, but I think we can rest easy because the kid is a beast on the forecheck.

https://thehockeywriters.com/matthew-savoie-2022-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/
No I wouldn't because he wasn't just a Top 10 pick, he was a top 5 who fell to us that a lot on here were praising Adams for. He was Top 3 on a few.
- Buff36

I can't fathom why this matters to you. He was a very, very good prospect. He still is. So if I can find a few boards that rank a guy higher than his draft slot, i should just measure him by those few boards? By that logic, everyone drafted in the top 20 is really a top 10 pick (many sites had Helenius in the top 5).

Again, it is clearly a seller's market right now as teams aren't moving players yet. Adams had the advantage of a stocked cupboard and made a hockey trade that most of us seem to like. In the list of guys that I didn't want to guys under 21 that I didn't want to give up, he is 4th or 5th? On paper *right now*, it was a small overpayment. But as we know, it is going to take a package of players to get a 2nd line winger.

Yeah, and screwed Adams in the process I believe. Don't think Adams makes that Trade back unless he thought he had something.
- Buff36

I believe it was viewed as not losing much value going back 11-14, the consensus was deep into the teens.

I find it most interesting that Trouba, Konecny, Farabee, Ehlers, Zegras some of these guys so obviously made available, are all still hanging out.