After having some time to take it all in I dont hate what adams has done so far. The forward group will be faster top to bottom now with some more hustle and they desperately needed that

Feeling OK about the offseason so far doesn't mean he gets a pat on the back for rebuilding the 4th line though, as it should have been done last year or 2 years ago. No doubt a 2nd round pick for what appears to be a replacement level 4th liner is bad value but if it works it doesn't matter

I think McLeod will be a nice fit here and I like this move. Again, I dont think it matters but I agree that adams lost value in this trade. It was predictable though, he waited far too long to deal any of the prospects

If adams lands a top 6 forward i would be willing to say the sabres won the offseason, a far cry from last years disaster

Ahh because I was told that the 1 year deals put us in cap jail. Then I was told not enough roster spots.

Which both points were not true at all

In conclusion. The 1 year deals didn’t hurt us in 2024 - 2025 or even last year.
- Sabretooth9

No the one year deal defense was born out of who was signed to them. Trash and a bunch of it

Its interesting how you're just willing to disregard an entire season wasted by bad GMing. They absolutely hurt us last year and probably hurt us this year too if you believe adams when he said players wanted to come here last season

For the record I dont believe adams when he says that because he couldn't get anyone to come here without a massive overpayment

Children...

Stop acting like children.


Timeouts will be given. Some have already been dealt out.





The personal attacks need to stop. Argue and debate all you want, but enough of the personal attacks.
- Stripes77

Thank you

Children...

Stop acting like children.


Timeouts will be given. Some have already been dealt out.





The personal attacks need to stop. Argue and debate all you want, but enough of the personal attacks.
- Stripes77

Big Boy move, thank you

After having some time to take it all in I dont hate what adams has done so far. The forward group will be faster top to bottom now with some more hustle and they desperately needed that

Feeling OK about the offseason so far doesn't mean he gets a pat on the back for rebuilding the 4th line though, as it should have been done last year or 2 years ago. No doubt a 2nd round pick for what appears to be a replacement level 4th liner is bad value but if it works it doesn't matter

I think McLeod will be a nice fit here and I like this move. Again, I dont think it matters but I agree that adams lost value in this trade. It was predictable though, he waited far too long to deal any of the prospects

If adams lands a top 6 forward i would be willing to say the sabres won the offseason, a far cry from last years disaster


- ieetbred

This team isn't a playoff team. How can the offseason by successful?

I saw a post the other day that said something like this: no cup winning team in recent history (I can't remember how far back it went) had more than 2 players 32 or older. Edmonton will have something like 9 next year.
- Slump Buster

oel
kulikov
bobrovsky
okposo

that's 4 last month

This team isn't a playoff team. How can the offseason by successful?
- QuinnFan

If they landed a legit top 6 forward

I've wanted them to push depth down the chart for 18 months now. If they filled up from the bottom and push down from the top id say it was a good offseason especially when compared to last

Does it mean anything when the games start? Who knows

If they landed a legit top 6 forward

I've wanted them to push depth down the chart for 18 months now. If they filled up from the bottom and push down from the top id say it was a good offseason especially when compared to last

Does it mean anything when the games start? Who knows
- ieetbred

Does a top6 forward addition even get this team in?

Matt Larkin on the most recent trade:

"In a recent appearance on NHL Network Radio on SiriusXM, Daily Faceoff's Matt Larkin discussed his opinion on the move and did not hold back.

"I think this is a crazy sell-low by Buffalo, and I think it’s been an absolutely horrific offseason for Kevyn Adams. I think this is the definition of a panic trade."

Larkin also added: "It doesn’t compute. This trade does not make any sense to me. It’s not like Savoie is 23 years old, and they’ve given him so many chances, and they’re giving up on him. It’s so early in his career, and he was only drafted a couple of years ago.""

oel
kulikov
bobrovsky
okposo

that's 4 last month
- homiedclown

This team isn't a playoff team. How can the offseason by successful?
- QuinnFan

Damn, the offseason ended and they played the games already, and I missed it.

I think this is another example of assuming that every other team is better than it is and assuming that ours is worse than it is. Ideally we would add another 2nd line wing and 4-5 D. In a perfect world, that rounds out our roster. But who else has a fully rounded roster today?

Also, did Florida just out-talent everyone else? Not by a long shot. They played the best team system, which is something that we failed at miserably under meatballs. We could get the two pieces that I mentioned, but it won't matter if Ruff can't get them to play the way that they need to. If they do, they will be in the playoffs.

Does a top6 forward addition even get this team in?

Matt Larkin on the most recent trade:

"In a recent appearance on NHL Network Radio on SiriusXM, Daily Faceoff's Matt Larkin discussed his opinion on the move and did not hold back.

"I think this is a crazy sell-low by Buffalo, and I think it’s been an absolutely horrific offseason for Kevyn Adams. I think this is the definition of a panic trade."

Larkin also added: "It doesn’t compute. This trade does not make any sense to me. It’s not like Savoie is 23 years old, and they’ve given him so many chances, and they’re giving up on him. It’s so early in his career, and he was only drafted a couple of years ago.""
- QuinnFan

They got a 3C, be Happy. Nothing else matters

Damn, the offseason ended and they played the games already, and I missed it.

I think this is another example of assuming that every other team is better than it is and assuming that ours is worse than it is. Ideally we would add another 2nd line wing and 4-5 D. In a perfect world, that rounds out our roster. But who else has a fully rounded roster today?

Also, did Florida just out-talent everyone else? Not by a long shot. They played the best team system, which is something that we failed at miserably under meatballs. We could get the two pieces that I mentioned, but it won't matter if Ruff can't get them to play the way that they need to. If they do, they will be in the playoffs.
- Slump Buster

Wasn't this said last off-season and we sucked and most were ahead of us.

oel
kulikov
bobrovsky
okposo

that's 4 last month
- homiedclown

Argh, i think I remembered it wrong. I think the bigger point is that it is very much a young man's game these days. We no longer see teams made up of guys in their mid 30s like we did 20 years ago.

Does a top6 forward addition even get this team in?

Matt Larkin on the most recent trade:

"In a recent appearance on NHL Network Radio on SiriusXM, Daily Faceoff's Matt Larkin discussed his opinion on the move and did not hold back.

"I think this is a crazy sell-low by Buffalo, and I think it’s been an absolutely horrific offseason for Kevyn Adams. I think this is the definition of a panic trade."

Larkin also added: "It doesn’t compute. This trade does not make any sense to me. It’s not like Savoie is 23 years old, and they’ve given him so many chances, and they’re giving up on him. It’s so early in his career, and he was only drafted a couple of years ago.""
- QuinnFan

Im not sure why they soured so fast on savoie and I agree that adams lost value in the trade. If it was in fact a panic trade and completely blows up in adams face then it just falls in line with everything else he's done

Ive wanted adams fired since last offseason but if this is his last gasp then so be it. With better coaching and similar goaltending they should be competitive at least and im sure he's praying that all the career years come back to take it over the top

Wasn't this said last off-season and we sucked and most were ahead of us.
- Buff36

We sucked because Adams didn't take care of what he needed to take care of. As we've discussed many, many, many times, he has clearly seen the light this offseason. We should be worlds better with the addition of Ruff, some health, and a legit bottom 6 (not to mention not running EJ out there every night). Hell, an average PP will add several points.

Also, I look around the division and I see a lot of teams that either haven't improved or have taken a step back in terms of roster.

Damn, the offseason ended and they played the games already, and I missed it.

I think this is another example of assuming that every other team is better than it is and assuming that ours is worse than it is. Ideally we would add another 2nd line wing and 4-5 D. In a perfect world, that rounds out our roster. But who else has a fully rounded roster today?

Also, did Florida just out-talent everyone else? Not by a long shot. They played the best team system, which is something that we failed at miserably under meatballs. We could get the two pieces that I mentioned, but it won't matter if Ruff can't get them to play the way that they need to. If they do, they will be in the playoffs.
- Slump Buster

More teams were better than worse than us last year. Most teams ahead of us added talent. We did too, but lower impact, lower minute players mostly. I would say most teams in the east have better rosters, particularly in the top6 and bottom4 D. The teams we were fighting with got substantially better, NJ as an example.

How we can compare our lineup to Florida's, I have no idea. They have more of everything than us, from centers to D, to goaltending. Not trying to attack you at all, but I think you're kidding yourself if you think we're even in the same ballpark as them.

We sucked because Adams didn't take care of what he needed to take care of. As we've discussed many, many, many times, he has clearly seen the light this offseason. We should be worlds better with the addition of Ruff, some health, and a legit bottom 6 (not to mention not running EJ out there every night). Hell, an average PP will add several points.

Also, I look around the division and I see a lot of teams that either haven't improved or have taken a step back in terms of roster.
- Slump Buster

Just need it all to come together

They got a 3C, be Happy. Nothing else matters
- Buff36

Yeah, that's just not good enough. We gave up a guy who is likely to be better, just as he was ready to make the jump. Really mind boggling and even after taking some time away to think about it, I think it's one of the most indefensible trades I've ever seen personally.

Im not sure why they soured so fast on savoie and I agree that adams lost value in the trade. If it was in fact a panic trade and completely blows up in adams face then it just falls in line with everything else he's done

Ive wanted adams fired since last offseason but if this is his last gasp then so be it. With better coaching and similar goaltending they should be competitive at least and im sure he's praying that all the career years come back to take it over the top
- ieetbred

So he went from doing nothing to.... panicking? So from June 27 to July 5th, people kill him for not doing anything because other teams were shuffling around their bottom 6. He then makes a move that *might* be an overpayment, and it is... panic? The narratives never cease to amaze. Panicking would have been selling Eichel for 50 cents on the dollar.

Im not sure why they soured so fast on savoie and I agree that adams lost value in the trade. If it was in fact a panic trade and completely blows up in adams face then it just falls in line with everything else he's done

Ive wanted adams fired since last offseason but if this is his last gasp then so be it. With better coaching and similar goaltending they should be competitive at least and im sure he's praying that all the career years come back to take it over the top
- ieetbred

Yeah, I can't believe he's still here. It's just sad our next GM isn't going to have all these trade chips at his disposal. Hopefully this is the last trade he makes cuz you're 100% right, they're basically banking on career years again.

Yeah, that's just not good enough. We gave up a guy who is likely to be better, just as he was ready to make the jump. Really mind boggling and even after taking some time away to think about it, I think it's one of the most indefensible trades I've ever seen personally.
- QuinnFan

Wow. Just wow. Overpayment? sure, maybe. Indefensible? That's hilarious. Selling Ray Shepard for $1 is indefensible, regardless of whatever issues he may have had off of the ice.

He was ready to make the jump? How can you even begin to say that. He played a handful of games of pro hockey 2 years ago.

Did Lindy send out a SOP with Videos to the players for the Summer. Use the Summer to study and come into Camp ready and have somewhat of a grasp on what Lindy wants to do. They can't come into Camp like last Year.

This team isn't a playoff team. How can the offseason by successful?
- QuinnFan

Why?

So he went from doing nothing to.... panicking? So from June 27 to July 5th, people kill him for not doing anything because other teams were shuffling around their bottom 6. He then makes a move that *might* be an overpayment, and it is... panic? The narratives never cease to amaze. Panicking would have been selling Eichel for 50 cents on the dollar.
- Slump Buster

Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened. He thought guys like Stamkos or Necas or Ehlers would entertain signing here. They weren't. From there, he basically started offering the farm to anyone willing to part with anything. I mean, it is accurate to say he overpaid on both trades this summer right?

Yeah, that's just not good enough. We gave up a guy who is likely to be better, just as he was ready to make the jump. Really mind boggling and even after taking some time away to think about it, I think it's one of the most indefensible trades I've ever seen personally.
- QuinnFan

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