Depends on if he is killing penalties. Probably in the 20-23 range.

Korch was really good at denying entries and disrupting plays with his stick. Big Arty is supposed to be very good at denying entries, pinching and using his stick to disrupt plays.

Ideally - assuming some kind of positive developmental curve and all that - theyre so good at going the other way that it doesn't matter who theyre against.

With the influx of talent and speed that should maybe arrive a little this year and more so next year - they can play similar to the 2010 Hawks and ruin teams so bad in the neutral zone that it doesn't matter who is in goal since they're only seeing 23 shots \ night.

Other than Jones, the other 3 guys who have signed are all stand up the blue line and deny, not retreat from it. Bill's draft assessment of Rinzel mention good edge work and a good stick.

Potentially 4 guys who can stand up the blue line. Combine that with a bunch of fast heady tenacious players and they could be extremely difficult to play against.

My suspicion for Jones being on the block has less to do with the player himself or the money but more that he wouldn't really fit in that kind of system since he is not good at denying the blue line because he isn't good in any direction but forward.
- fattybeef

I had forgotten KK had very good fancies denying entries and someone was kind enough to share an FC piece on NCAA player's fancies and Lev was damn near top 5 in all of them. ......... As we all know too dificult to peg a prospect/pairings this early in the process but if they send KK down he and Lev will be on the same roster and need to be slotted.

I liked EDM on his call up, was at one of the games. Anyone who makes team Canada’s WJC team automatically gets a leg up for me against those who don’t have a pedigree.
- ObeseOprah

Even though Hockey Canada can make some funky roster decisions anytime I see a player has represented Canada internationally it carries a lotta weight for me........ And, remember EDM was only rostered because of injury but once on busted his way to 1st until PK and last minute of the game TOI.

Kid is a worker and the kind who will get everything out of whatever talent he has. ......... You saw EDM live in the NHL? How was his skating to your eye?

He isn't a KD draft choice, he is from the previous GM, so he automatically has 2 strikes against him, although most forget that Vlasic, and Kaiser was a previous administration's draft choice too.

Funny he is only 22 years old, not 26 like Caleb Jones, only one year older than del mastro, Allen, and Kaiser. I thought the Board dowsn't want to give up on young defenseman?

Interesting when Phillips played last year, he primarily played his offside, because Kaiser was sent down because he couldn't play that side either, plus both being paired with Tinordi. I thought Phillips best games was when he played in place of Vlasic (who was hurt) as a LD. When they brought Kaiser back up, he was put on LD, and when Phillips played, they still played him on the right.

i thought Phillips would be the 6h/7th defenseman, but I don't even think he makes it out of training camp. He is not wiaver exempt, my guess is KD dumps him for a 5th round draft choice before final cutdown. The TJ Brodie contract 2 x $3.75 is still baffling to me, someone tell me how that makes sense?
- LAHawk

The Brodie signing was baffling to me as well LA, not sure what KD’s thought process was there, especially a two year contract. The good news is that there’s really no impact to the cap at this time, but still baffling for sure.

I'm sure the Hawks think these things thru but good bet wanting to see Phillips, Crevier too, in the NHL to indeed see what they have in them was a big factor, and in a lost season nothing to lose. The right move, IMO.

If one conceded EDM was a better prospect than Phillips, and he just might be, I would not say he was the guy to call up over Phillips or was a better pro than Phillips last yr. ..... Phillips earned his call up IMO.

I was both feet in on EDM until I saw him in the NHL. I posted then, and am still concerned, his feet were a deal breaker. Only two NHL games IIRC, and I've been known to be wrong, but the first thing I'll watch for from the very first Hawk hockey next yr will be EDM's skating.

And I watched all his WJC's where he earned a medal and took some heavy big minutes, and this only after an injury allowed him a roster spot his first WJC. Love these kinda kids/paths... Kid fit the profile of a solid possibility but as you know until they do it in the Bigs he's a question mark.

I feel safe saying Phillips is the better skater by a wide margin.
- Mr Ricochet

Skating alone wasn’t the reason Phillips was called up before Del Mastro. As I said logistics had everything to do with that call. Phillips isn’t close to Del Mastro in overall ability.

Phillips is a quicker, faster skater but Del Mastro is a good skater. Like most big men it appears he’s not moving as quickly but when you watch him you realize he seldom gets beat one on one. He has very good four way mobility, he’s extremely strong on his skates and he uses his mobility and good hockey sense to stop opponents. EDM will be a defensive guy but he moves the puck well with passes and he can carry it. And his offense isn't non existent, he can work a power play though I suspect it won’t be asked of him too often. It won’t surprise me to see him win a spot out of camp and the unfortunate player he wins the job from will be Korchinski who has some work to do to get his game to the NHL level.

The Brodie signing was baffling to me as well LA, not sure what KD’s thought process was there, especially a two year contract. The good news is that there’s really no impact to the cap at this time, but still baffling for sure.
- Angotti

My first thought about Brodie was WTF!! He was completely gassed by the time the playoffs came with the Leafs last season. But I remembered how well he played, especially defensively early on with a team not known for stressing defense. He controls gaps well, he keeps forwards to the outside, while not overly physical he uses his body to separate opponents from the puck and prevents them from going where they want, he’s a very good shot blocker and he averaged 22 plus minutes a game, far too much for a 33 year old, and probably explains why he ran out of gas. Like Martinez, KD acquired Brodie to help mentor a young Blackhawk defense. Both guys play hard defensively, doing all the dirty work showing the Vlasic’s, Korchinski’s, Kaiser’s et all how to play defense in the NHL. And if acquiring Brodie proves to be a mistake he won’t be in a Hawk jersey when it really matters.

The Brodie signing was baffling to me as well LA, not sure what KD’s thought process was there, especially a two year contract. The good news is that there’s really no impact to the cap at this time, but still baffling for sure.
- Angotti

I think he wanted a guy who could play in place of Murphy. Murphy came back only to reinjure himself, i believe it was the same injury which is concerning. What's really weird is that Korchinski actually played better with Zaitsev than Jones, Murphy or Megna. Megna was brutal paired with him. Be interesting if they think Brodie and KK will make a good pair.

https://moneypuck.com/lines.htm

All this stuff about Phillips to me is not really that important. Its one thing if we didn't have any other LD prospects instead we have plenty. I already like Kaisers game more. Maybe Phillips will get better maybe not, but we finally have prospects pushing him out the door.

All this stuff about Phillips to me is not really that important. Its one thing if we didn't have any other LD prospects instead we have plenty. I already like Kaisers game more. Maybe Phillips will get better maybe not, but we finally have prospects pushing him out the door.
- BetweenTheDots

It's also one of those things where regardless of how many of these kids seem to have the tools a very small portion are actually going to work out.

It's also one of those things where regardless of how many of these kids seem to have the tools a very small portion are actually going to work out.
- fattybeef

The ideal situation, decent prospects getting pushed by more prospects. Healthy, internal competition. A coach’s best problem, too much talent. I think one of the best ways to build a team.

The ideal situation, decent prospects getting pushed by more prospects. Healthy, internal competition. A coach’s best problem, too much talent. I think one of the best ways to build a team.
- paulr[/quote

I guess they think he will make it through waivers, otherwise why even qualify him ?

[quote=paulr]The ideal situation, decent prospects getting pushed by more prospects. Healthy, internal competition. A coach’s best problem, too much talent. I think one of the best ways to build a team.
- LAHawk[/quote

I guess they think he will make it through waivers, otherwise why even qualify him ?

There are many reasons why Phillips was qualified LA, and you know them. Include him in a potential trade. Let him start the season on the Hawks to give him another chance to prove himself. Maybe try him on the wing on the Hawks. And if none of these things transpire he’s put on waivers and a team claims him and it’s no skin off KD’s nose.

The Brodie signing was baffling to me as well LA, not sure what KD’s thought process was there, especially a two year contract. The good news is that there’s really no impact to the cap at this time, but still baffling for sure.
- Angotti

Reportedly Brodie’s fancies fell a lot from the previous season. Someone can look that stuff up but anyone who saw Brodie perform last year, knows he was paired often with M Reilly. And the forwards on the team often thought offense first and some particularly weren’t defensively interested or responsible. So a smallish light weight dman but a veteran can be expected to perform _______(fill in the blank) in the Chicago schematic

Reportedly Brodie’s fancies fell a lot from the previous season. Someone can look that stuff up but anyone who saw Brodie perform last year, knows he was paired often with M Reilly. And the forwards on the team often thought offense first and some particularly weren’t defensively interested or responsible. So a smallish light weight dman but a veteran can be expected to perform _______(fill in the blank) in the Chicago schematic
- jhawk59

Well J if S Jones is going to eat 23 to 25 minutes a night it won't leave much for Murphy and Brodie. 23 minutes for Jones, 19 for Murphy and 18 for Brodie would be ideal. Don't know why the Leafs played him so many minutes? Ran him into the ground before the playoffs

Reportedly Brodie’s fancies fell a lot from the previous season. Someone can look that stuff up but anyone who saw Brodie perform last year, knows he was paired often with M Reilly. And the forwards on the team often thought offense first and some particularly weren’t defensively interested or responsible. So a smallish light weight dman but a veteran can be expected to perform _______(fill in the blank) in the Chicago schematic
- jhawk59

If Brodie, Murphy and Martinez are all in the line up at the same time something is no bueno. I think it's more so Korchinski or Philips or Kaiser or whomever doesn't get stuck with a Menga or Tinordi and just beat up.

Maybe, LA....... Phillips will be 23 in September and with loads of pro games he fits the profile of a player who should be getting close "to getting there". If he's not a good bit better in camp he might be a guy who falls thru the cracks in a numbers game.

We know the organIzation speaks well of Kaiser so you gotta think they want him to make the big club and with maybe the only other option is to send down KK to keep Phillips, Phillips may be out. Or maybe they try and squeeze him thru waivers but I doubt he makes it........ Posters were asking what Phillips would bring back. I agree he doesn't have pedigree or fancy numbers but a lotta franchises would take a swing on a 22 yr old with 170 AHL and 50ish NHL games who is 6ft 3in 205 lbs, is athletic and can skate.
- Mr Ricochet

Isaac Phillips reminds me a lot of Gustav Forsling, young, good size, inexperienced, and most likely soon kicked to the curb. And in 5 years, he will play a prominent role on a contending team, and everyone here will be complaining about how management didn't give him enough time to develop and cut bait too soon.

Isaac Phillips reminds me a lot of Gustav Forsling, young, good size, inexperienced, and most likely soon kicked to the curb. And in 5 years, he will play a prominent role on a contending team, and everyone here will be complaining about how management didn't give him enough time to develop and cut bait too soon.
- dahawks8819

Meh

Meh
- LFS

Forsling and I Phillips do not play the same style
Forsling can read react make plays at speed. Phillips is a fast skater Forsling skates well. Both have a very good snapshot but Forsling is very good very hard. I do not know if Phillios shot is as good. Forsling is a smart player; Phillips leaves something to be desired. There is nothing yet yet to suggest he will get it and play a more mature game

Forsling and I Phillips do not play the same style
Forsling can read react make plays at speed. Phillips is a fast skater Forsling skates well. Both have a very good snapshot but Forsling is very good very hard. I do not know if Phillios shot is as good. Forsling is a smart player; Phillips leaves something to be desired. There is nothing yet yet to suggest he will get it and play a more mature game
- jhawk59

I wasn't referring to any style of play. I was just saying they were both similar prospects at that this point of their development.

So many people on this site said the same things about Forsling when he was a Blackhawk. He was one of the main punching bags here, constantly beaten, couldn't defend. Not many here thought he would ever get it.

I believe they have better defense prospects in the system, I just hope they don't cut bait on him with no return. Too many on this site will complain about it if he makes it somewhere else

Meh
- LFS

Forsling and I Phillips do not play the same style
Forsling can read react make plays at speed. Phillips is a fast skater Forsling skates well. Both have a good slapshot but Forsling probably is the better very good very hard (I do not know if Phillips shot is as good).. Forsling is a smart player; Phillips leaves something to be desired. There is nothing yet to suggest he will get it and play a more mature game.

Maybe Phillips biggest drawback is in his head. I can see where a comparison could be made but right now Phillips is sort of floundering.

Forsling and I Phillips do not play the same style
Forsling can read react make plays at speed. Phillips is a fast skater Forsling skates well. Both have a good slapshot but Forsling probably is the better very good very hard (I do not know if Phillips shot is as good).. Forsling is a smart player; Phillips leaves something to be desired. There is nothing yet to suggest he will get it and play a more mature game.

Maybe Phillips biggest drawback is in his head. I can see where a comparison could be made but right now Phillips is sort of floundering.
- jhawk59

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When Forsling was 22 he wasn’t the same player he is today. Let’s not forget 2 years ago, he was a waiver pick up by the Panthers because of a Panther injury. I believe the Hawks took Tinordi off waivers at the same time. Good on him for making the most of a third opportunity.

Just as a fun exercise, I'm going to predict the future trade deadline hauls we receive for our pending free agents given what similar players fetched:

Taylor Hall (50% retained) - 2025 3rd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick (Comp: Tyler Toffoli 3/8/24 trade)

Andreas Athanasiou - 2025 3rd round pick and a change of scenery prospect (Comp: Anthony Duclair 3/7/24 trade)

Ryan Donato - 2026 3rd round pick (Comp: Yakov Trenin 3/7/24 trade)

Patrick Maroon - AHL prospect

Craig Smith - 2025 7th round pick (Comp: Kyle Okposo 3/8/24 trade)

Alec Martinez (50% salary retained) - 2025 2nd round pick and a former 2nd/3rd round prospect (Comp: Chris Tanev 75% retained trade 2/28/24)

Out:
Taylor Hall, LW
Andreas Athanasiou, LW/C
Ryan Donato, RW/C
Patrick Maroon, LW
Craig Smith, LW/C
Alec Martinez, D

In:
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
2025 7th round pick
2026 3rd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
AHL Prospect (former 2nd/3rd rounder)
AHL Prospect (AHL-lifer)
AHL/OHL Prospect (change of scenery)

That would set the next three years up as:

2025 (12 picks): 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 6th, 7th, 7th
2026 (11 picks): 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th
2027 (8 picks): 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th

Think this sell-off would more than set us up for the future waves of prospects as a likely logjam begins to form in 2026 which is when the team hopefully begins selling some younger pieces for veterans to supplement the rest of the roster.
- TommyHawk

While i think that some of these guys signing is based on KD telling them he'll get them with a contender at the TDL, I just don't see him moving this many players at the deadline.

Now, if they all want to be moved, then I guess I get it. Do GMs admit after the fact that they moved them cause they wanted to go to a contender?

Last year he made a big point that it wasn't going to be a sell off, so i can't see him reverting and dumping this many players.

He isn't a KD draft choice, he is from the previous GM, so he automatically has 2 strikes against him, although most forget that Vlasic, and Kaiser was a previous administration's draft choice too.

Funny he is only 22 years old, not 26 like Caleb Jones, only one year older than del mastro, Allen, and Kaiser. I thought the Board dowsn't want to give up on young defenseman?

Interesting when Phillips played last year, he primarily played his offside, because Kaiser was sent down because he couldn't play that side either, plus both being paired with Tinordi. I thought Phillips best games was when he played in place of Vlasic (who was hurt) as a LD. When they brought Kaiser back up, he was put on LD, and when Phillips played, they still played him on the right.

i thought Phillips would be the 6h/7th defenseman, but I don't even think he makes it out of training camp. He is not wiaver exempt, my guess is KD dumps him for a 5th round draft choice before final cutdown. The TJ Brodie contract 2 x $3.75 is still baffling to me, someone tell me how that makes sense?
- LAHawk

I just don't buy into this, I hear it a lot, but do we really think a GM would "throw" away a talent because they were from the previous regime?

I guess you could say they have a bias for their own guys, and i get that, but talent is talent. Coaches wouldn't have the same bias, they see what's happening on the ice and are going to push for the best players.

I believe it is the case with two players that are equal, I just don't see it happening with a more talented player.

I just don't buy into this, I hear it a lot, but do we really think a GM would "throw" away a talent because they were from the previous regime?

I guess you could say they have a bias for their own guys, and i get that, but talent is talent. Coaches wouldn't have the same bias, they see what's happening on the ice and are going to push for the best players.

I believe it is the case with two players that are equal, I just don't see it happening with a more talented player.
- vabeachbear

I agree, he had no problem signing Vlasic after his great year.

I believe Reichel will be given every chance to succeed like Kurashev.

If Phillips is a late bloomer that would be great for him. He may be an outlier like Forsling but those guys are rare.

I liked EDM on his call up, was at one of the games. Anyone who makes team Canada’s WJC team automatically gets a leg up for me against those who don’t have a pedigree.
- ObeseOprah

Also on this, they was he moved up from the 7 Dman to the top pairing during the tourney is impressive.

This is kind of what happened with Rinzel as well. Who looked at the rookie camp week like a different person.

The choices in a couple years will be tough, and very welcomed

I do have a question, is Brodie better than Tinordi, Megna, Zaitsev?