(frank) quitter don't defend him
- 2Real

Exactly

Elliotte Friedman, Pierre LeBrun, Darren Dreger among others.

Stop being a putz and telling others they're being duped or going JD. You have made numerous false statements.
- MJL

Sooooo not even 1 direct source like hehehehe db or hehehehehe cutter? Wow color me amazed. Hearsay then.

Elliotte Friedman, Pierre LeBrun, Darren Dreger among others.

Stop being a putz and telling others they're being duped or going JD. You have made numerous false statements.
- MJL

And with knowing the flyers and how they lie (see rebuild narrative etc etc etc) you believe what you read from “sources “ just like jd50 does? Come on man you know better. How come the details never came out about this supposed contract? Wouldn’t you hear of details ? 3 year deal. This bonus that bonus if hit on add on to contract. Hmmmm wouldn’t flyers put out how it was a great deal and shocked cutter wouldn’t sign it? Instead not once had db or cutter EVER said there a contract on table. Wierd

Because the flyers aren’t credible. Cutter has been credible the whole time start to finish by his words and actions. The flyers have not. Plain and simple
- Stayin alive

I disagree. While I agree that it was right not to sign, in my opinion, he handled the situation poorly.

Sooooo not even 1 direct source like hehehehe db or hehehehehe cutter? Wow color me amazed. Hearsay then.
- Stayin alive

You're not making sense. What direct source do you have?

And with knowing the flyers and how they lie (see rebuild narrative etc etc etc) you believe what you read from “sources “ just like jd50 does? Come on man you know better. How come the details never came out about this supposed contract? Wouldn’t you hear of details ? 3 year deal. This bonus that bonus if hit on add on to contract. Hmmmm wouldn’t flyers put out how it was a great deal and shocked cutter wouldn’t sign it? Instead not once had db or cutter EVER said there a contract on table. Wierd
- Stayin alive

Again, you're not making sense. It is a fact that the Flyers offered Gauthier a contract in May of 23. You're just throwing out anecdotal poop that doesn't make sense. Showing your lack of critical thinking ability that you accuse others. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You offer zero corroboration to your erroneous claim that Gauthier was never offered a contract.

You're not making sense. What direct source do you have?
- MJL

Why would I need a direct source? I’m claiming there was no contract. You said in May cutter refused to sign contract and listed sources like Ef etc etc that reported there was a contract.

That’s jd believing. Never has db or cutter ever stated there was a contract on the table.

That’s just narrative flyers put out there after the trade went down to villify cutter.

Also isn’t it funny that these reliable sources you cited never said anything about a contract on table in May ‘23? Or June or July or August or sept or oct or nov or dec.


It’s laughable to believe there was a contract. The flyers are lying (frank)ers. If there truly was a contract and player not signing and ghosting them they would’ve leaked something. To try to get him to table. It makes ZERO SENSE to keep quiet and just trade a top 5 pick under those circumstances.


Also it makes no sense that a contract COULD be on table. If cutter wasn’t communicating how could there even be negotiations to form and agree to a contract? Use logic. Please make that make sense.

Both cutter AND db have said in May ‘23 communication was broken. Do people actually believe a contract just appears out of thin air? With no real negotiations back and forth? Even relatively vanilla elc deals?

Come on man please think about that then reply how you now see it’s bs the flyers timeline of events with contract. Their story is such bs when you dissect it

Again, you're not making sense. It is a fact that the Flyers offered Gauthier a contract in May of 23. You're just throwing out anecdotal poop that doesn't make sense. Showing your lack of critical thinking ability that you accuse others. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You offer zero corroboration to your erroneous claim that Gauthier was never offered a contract.
- MJL

Yes it’s a fact because ef reported it and trusted sources. Lmao.

Again, you're not making sense. It is a fact that the Flyers offered Gauthier a contract in May of 23. You're just throwing out anecdotal poop that doesn't make sense. Showing your lack of critical thinking ability that you accuse others. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You offer zero corroboration to your erroneous claim that Gauthier was never offered a contract.
- MJL

Fact according to who. Ef?

Again, you're not making sense. It is a fact that the Flyers offered Gauthier a contract in May of 23. You're just throwing out anecdotal poop that doesn't make sense. Showing your lack of critical thinking ability that you accuse others. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You offer zero corroboration to your erroneous claim that Gauthier was never offered a contract.
- MJL

Did db ever say there was a contract on table to sign may ‘23….. NO
Did cutter ever say there was a contract to sign may ‘23? NO


But ef and dregger said there was. Lmao. K yep

No communication between db and cutter AS BOTH SIDES HAVE STATED NO COMMUNICATION IN MAY’23 yet somehow contract agreed upon.



Makes sense


That’s how it works


But I’m the crazy one

Why would I need a direct source? I’m claiming there was no contract. You said in May cutter refused to sign contract and listed sources like Ef etc etc that reported there was a contract.

That’s jd believing. Never has db or cutter ever stated there was a contract on the table.

That’s just narrative flyers put out there after the trade went down to villify cutter.

Also isn’t it funny that these reliable sources you cited never said anything about a contract on table in May ‘23? Or June or July or August or sept or oct or nov or dec.


It’s laughable to believe there was a contract. The flyers are lying (frank)ers. If there truly was a contract and player not signing and ghosting them they would’ve leaked something. To try to get him to table. It makes ZERO SENSE to keep quiet and just trade a top 5 pick under those circumstances.


Also it makes no sense that a contract COULD be on table. If cutter wasn’t communicating how could there even be negotiations to form and agree to a contract? Use logic. Please make that make sense.

Both cutter AND db have said in May ‘23 communication was broken. Do people actually believe a contract just appears out of thin air? With no real negotiations back and forth? Even relatively vanilla elc deals?

Come on man please think about that then reply how you now see it’s bs the flyers timeline of events with contract. Their story is such bs when you dissect it
- Stayin alive

You challenge others that they have to have a source to prove their opinions. You have yet provided a single source to support your claim that the Flyers didn't offer Gauthier a contract. It is a fact that they did. You have no common sense. With an ELC it's pretty straight forward. You don't seem to understand that a contract can be drawn by a team and offered to a player, especially with an ELC. The Flyers had contact with Gauthier and his agent before contact broke off in May. What are you talking about?

Did db ever say there was a contract on table to sign may ‘23….. NO
Did cutter ever say there was a contract to sign may ‘23? NO


But ef and dregger said there was. Lmao. K yep

No communication between db and cutter AS BOTH SIDES HAVE STATED NO COMMUNICATION IN MAY’23 yet somehow contract agreed upon.



Makes sense


That’s how it works


But I’m the crazy one
- Stayin alive

Incorrect. Briere absolutely said that a contract was offered to Gauthier. That's in the public record. There was plenty of contact between the Flyers and Gauthier and his agent before contact was broken off. Gauthier wanted to sign in March of 23. You need to get your facts straight. If you don't, there is no reason to continue this conversation.

Yes it’s a fact because ef reported it and trusted sources. Lmao.
- Stayin alive

Provide one trusted source to corroborate that the Flyers didn't offer Gauthier a contract. You're in jd250 territory. Inventing your own reality. I think we're done here.

Not sure if this has been discussed yet but had MTL drafted MM last year they'd have demidov and MM playing together.... that's if MM would even sign with MTL, of course 😁

Not sure if this has been discussed yet but had MTL drafted MM last year they'd have demidov and MM playing together.... that's if MM would even sign with MTL, of course 😁
- Bob Habib

Maybe, but I would imagine had they taken MM, they would have picked a d-man this draft.

You challenge others that they have to have a source to prove their opinions. You have yet provided a single source to support your claim that the Flyers didn't offer Gauthier a contract. It is a fact that they did. You have no common sense. With an ELC it's pretty straight forward. You don't seem to understand that a contract can be drawn by a team and offered to a player, especially with an ELC. The Flyers had contact with Gauthier and his agent before contact broke off in May. What are you talking about?
- MJL

Go do some research and get back to me after a good nights rest. There was no contract. That is the true fact. You’ve been duped same as mb


No contract is straight forward even elc contracts especially with top 5 picks. No matter how many times you say that. There are performance bonuses and such that need to be agreed upon.

Flyers CLAIM cutter informed them in May ‘23 he didn’t want to sign with them and no talks since then.

That’s from db mouth. That is the FACTS that you can cite. (frank) a dregger ef labrun.

So why if cutter said he didn’t want to sign with flyer would he in may be even discussing a elc?


Now for the fun part…. Do some research. It’s public knowledge and again (frank) a dregger ef labrun that YOU cite as reputable sources straight from db mouth what HE said was “we were PREPARED to offer him a contract”

There never was a contract offered. Those are the facts. I’ll accept your apology tomorrow once you do your research.


And again none of this came out until conveniently until after cutter traded.


Being prepared to make contract offer is NOT the same as offering a contract that’s negotiated in good faith.


Another example look at Tampas contract offer to stamkos. Did they technically offer him a contract? Sure. Was it a good faith negotiation contract? No. There was no chance stamkos signs it and a pr move to say they wanted to keep him and actually a slap in the face.

So yeah you can drop a generic contract on table but it’s not a real offer that’s gonna be accepted if it’s not negotiated.

And again db said on record they were PREPARED to offer elc. That means there was no contract offered. Don’t go all jd on me damn it.


MAN IT HURTS BEING RIGHT

Go do some research and get back to me after a good nights rest. There was no contract. That is the true fact. You’ve been duped same as mb


No contract is straight forward even elc contracts especially with top 5 picks. No matter how many times you say that. There are performance bonuses and such that need to be agreed upon.

Flyers CLAIM cutter informed them in May ‘23 he didn’t want to sign with them and no talks since then.

That’s from db mouth. That is the FACTS that you can cite. (frank) a dregger ef labrun.

So why if cutter said he didn’t want to sign with flyer would he in may be even discussing a elc?


Now for the fun part…. Do some research. It’s public knowledge and again (frank) a dregger ef labrun that YOU cite as reputable sources straight from db mouth what HE said was “we were PREPARED to offer him a contract”

There never was a contract offered. Those are the facts. I’ll accept your apology tomorrow once you do your research.


And again none of this came out until conveniently until after cutter traded.


Being prepared to make contract offer is NOT the same as offering a contract that’s negotiated in good faith.


Another example look at Tampas contract offer to stamkos. Did they technically offer him a contract? Sure. Was it a good faith negotiation contract? No. There was no chance stamkos signs it and a pr move to say they wanted to keep him and actually a slap in the face.

So yeah you can drop a generic contract on table but it’s not a real offer that’s gonna be accepted if it’s not negotiated.

And again db said on record they were PREPARED to offer elc. That means there was no contract offered. Don’t go all jd on me damn it.


MAN IT HURTS BEING RIGHT
- Stayin alive

That contract offered to stamkos eas insulting. 3 mill a year with the hope he retires before it runs out.

Go do some research and get back to me after a good nights rest. There was no contract. That is the true fact. You’ve been duped same as mb


No contract is straight forward even elc contracts especially with top 5 picks. No matter how many times you say that. There are performance bonuses and such that need to be agreed upon.

Flyers CLAIM cutter informed them in May ‘23 he didn’t want to sign with them and no talks since then.

That’s from db mouth. That is the FACTS that you can cite. (frank) a dregger ef labrun.

So why if cutter said he didn’t want to sign with flyer would he in may be even discussing a elc?


Now for the fun part…. Do some research. It’s public knowledge and again (frank) a dregger ef labrun that YOU cite as reputable sources straight from db mouth what HE said was “we were PREPARED to offer him a contract”

There never was a contract offered. Those are the facts. I’ll accept your apology tomorrow once you do your research.


And again none of this came out until conveniently until after cutter traded.


Being prepared to make contract offer is NOT the same as offering a contract that’s negotiated in good faith.


Another example look at Tampas contract offer to stamkos. Did they technically offer him a contract? Sure. Was it a good faith negotiation contract? No. There was no chance stamkos signs it and a pr move to say they wanted to keep him and actually a slap in the face.

So yeah you can drop a generic contract on table but it’s not a real offer that’s gonna be accepted if it’s not negotiated.

And again db said on record they were PREPARED to offer elc. That means there was no contract offered. Don’t go all jd on me damn it.


MAN IT HURTS BEING RIGHT
- Stayin alive

It hurts being as stupid as you are, I'm sure. Your post is completely absent of facts and you offer zero corroboration. I challenged you to provide one credible source to support your claim that the Flyers didn't offer Gauthier a contract in May of 23. You have failed to do so. You also show a lack of understanding of how ELC contracts work.
Due to the structure and rules regarding ELC's and the limits on salary and bonus structure placed on them. For top picks in the draft, they require very little negotiation, if any. The Stamkos contract situation, is not relevant.

Now here are some facts for you that show that your premise on how there needs to be negotiation and an ELC takes time for those negotiations. If a NCAA player signs a contract, he loses his NCAA eligibility. Cutter Gauthier's NCAA season for 23/24 ended on April 13th 2024 with a 6:00 PM game with a 2-0 loss to Denver in the NCAA tournament to Denver. Figure the game took what, two and half hours. So it ended somewhere around 8:30 PM or so.

Here is the supporting link for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...men%27s_ice_hockey_season


Cutter Gauthier signed his ELC contracts with Anaheim, the very next day on April 14th. It took less than 24 hours for the so called negotiation to take place, that you claim, would take so much time that it proves that no contract was offered to Gauthier by the Flyers. Which you offer zero supporting proof of.

Here is the link to that with the signing date of his ELC

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/cutter-gauthier



Now for sure you'll come back with some more nonsense, unsupported by any facts. You'll spout off with more bullpoop. You'll probably attempt to state that Anaheim was negotiating with Gauthier before his NCAA season ended. If that is the case, then why weren't the Flyers negotiating with Gauthier from the time they drafted him in 22 until communication was cut off in May of 23? Provide documentation that they weren't. The best you can come up with is (frank) credible sources such as Dreger and Lebrun. You lack the ability to think critically, that you accuse others of. You fail to do any research that you try to tell others that they need to do. You invent your own reality and you make yourself look foolish.

I don't need or want an apology from you. Making you look like the jackass you are, is more than enough for me. Seeing how I have supported my premise with facts and my claim that a contract was offered to Gauthier by the Flyers is supported by numerous credible sources. How your premise is not supported by any credible sources and you can't even provide a single credible source to back you up. There is no need for any further comment from me on this subject. I won't even read your next inevitable bullpoop and fact-less response.

It hurts being as stupid as you are, I'm sure. Your post is completely absent of facts and you offer zero corroboration. I challenged you to provide one credible source to support your claim that the Flyers didn't offer Gauthier a contract in May of 23. You have failed to do so. You also show a lack of understanding of how ELC contracts work.
Due to the structure and rules regarding ELC's and the limits on salary and bonus structure placed on them. For top picks in the draft, they require very little negotiation, if any. The Stamkos contract situation, is not relevant.

Now here are some facts for you that show that your premise on how there needs to be negotiation and an ELC takes time for those negotiations. If a NCAA player signs a contract, he loses his NCAA eligibility. Cutter Gauthier's NCAA season for 23/24 ended on April 13th 2024 with a 6:00 PM game with a 2-0 loss to Denver in the NCAA tournament to Denver. Figure the game took what, two and half hours. So it ended somewhere around 8:30 PM or so.

Here is the supporting link for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...men%27s_ice_hockey_season


Cutter Gauthier signed his ELC contracts with Anaheim, the very next day on April 14th. It took less than 24 hours for the so called negotiation to take place, that you claim, would take so much time that it proves that no contract was offered to Gauthier by the Flyers. Which you offer zero supporting proof of.

Here is the link to that with the signing date of his ELC

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/cutter-gauthier



Now for sure you'll come back with some more nonsense, unsupported by any facts. You'll spout off with more bullpoop. You'll probably attempt to state that Anaheim was negotiating with Gauthier before his NCAA season ended. If that is the case, then why weren't the Flyers negotiating with Gauthier from the time they drafted him in 22 until communication was cut off in May of 23? Provide documentation that they weren't. The best you can come up with is (frank) credible sources such as Dreger and Lebrun. You lack the ability to think critically, that you accuse others of. You fail to do any research that you try to tell others that they need to do. You invent your own reality and you make yourself look foolish.

I don't need or want an apology from you. Making you look like the jackass you are, is more than enough for me. Seeing how I have supported my premise with facts and my claim that a contract was offered to Gauthier by the Flyers is supported by numerous credible sources. How your premise is not supported by any credible sources and you can't even provide a single credible source to back you up. There is no need for any further comment from me on this subject. I won't even read your next inevitable bullpoop and fact-less response.
- MJL

Why would I need to prove there WASNT A CONTRACT? you are the one claiming there was a contract offered and cited multiple reputable sources saying there was a contract offered not me. All I simply stated was db himself said he had 1 meeting with cutter in May at end of world championships and cutter told him he would not sign with Philly and had no contact with him since. That they were PREPARED to offer contract. That’s from db. Prepared to offer contract means they were willing to do contract NOT that a contract was actually offered


I’m prepared to go take my morning poop.

Does that mean I took my morning poop?

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. You claimed the action that was done (contract offered) not me. So your only proof is from people NOT directly involved with the action. Hearsay.
I merely stated it didn’t happen because db said they were prepared to offer contract. If they did have contract offered why would db say “prepared” to offer and NOT we offered contract?

Please make that make sense

This argument is confusing.

It seems quite straightforward that Gauthier was expecting to sign in March 2023, play 10+ games, and burn the first year of his ELC. Something that is standard practice for high end prospects coming out of college. Perhaps he had even been promised that would happen by Fletcher. But then the new GM told Gauthier they weren't going to sign him and play him in 10 NHL games, and from that moment on Gauthier decided he would never play for the Flyers.

This argument is confusing.

It seems quite straightforward that Gauthier was expecting to sign in March 2023, play 10+ games, and burn the first year of his ELC. Something that is standard practice for high end prospects coming out of college. Perhaps he had even been promised that would happen by Fletcher. But then the new GM told Gauthier they weren't going to sign him and play him in 10 NHL games, and from that moment on Gauthier decided he would never play for the Flyers.
- Feanor

That's what happened and it's straightforward. Now he claims that people have been duped and that the Flyers never offered Gauthier a contract in May of 23. We know that they did. He refuted that and now he claims that he is under no obligation to provide any reputable source to support his claim and that I have to. Which I have already done. He is simply not making a good faith argument and he is absent of any facts

This argument is confusing.

It seems quite straightforward that Gauthier was expecting to sign in March 2023, play 10+ games, and burn the first year of his ELC. Something that is standard practice for high end prospects coming out of college. Perhaps he had even been promised that would happen by Fletcher. But then the new GM told Gauthier they weren't going to sign him and play him in 10 NHL games, and from that moment on Gauthier decided he would never play for the Flyers.
- Feanor

Exactly. It's not too hard to see what happened.