Seeler and GH should not have been resigned in my opinion. At least these are shortish contracts. They have not (at least yet) locked into an unnecessary FA contract. Hopefully TK asks for more than they are willing to give and he gets moved at the TDL.

I will take the lack of action thus far over the alternative. The alternative is what got the Flyers in this current mess.
- mickel25

4 years isnt that short to me.

Agree, Seelers contract is 2 years too long. I would be fine if Hathaway got a 1 year extension.
- WhiskeyMan

Well maybe db can still flip gh at tdl. Maybe a team will be fine taking him for playoff run and having him for additional 2 years. Surely db will have to retain 50% of cap but who cares. Just add it to list of dead money

Well maybe db can still flip gh at tdl. Maybe a team will be fine taking him for playoff run and having him for additional 2 years. Surely db will have to retain 50% of cap but who cares. Just add it to list of dead money
- Stayin alive

With close to 10 million of dead cap coming off the books after this season, retaining salary should not be an issue.

Also helps is that another 5 coming off the year after that.

With close to 10 million of dead cap coming off the books after this season, retaining salary should not be an issue.

Also helps is that another 5 coming off the year after that.
- WhiskeyMan

Yep that’s the narrative being pushed. Now go look at the real numbers …. And what is likely to happen…. Garbage in garbage out. What do you think is likely to happen within the next 2-3 years capwise with the roster players? Yes some dead money falls off. Yes the cap likely to go up.


I’m truly curious to what people think is gonna happen or likely to happen with this expected money from dead cap falling off and cap rising because it’s the go to cited reason for accepting bad deals signed. I’ll wait for response then give what I think is likely to happen.

Yep that’s the narrative being pushed. Now go look at the real numbers …. And what is likely to happen…. Garbage in garbage out. What do you think is likely to happen within the next 2-3 years capwise with the roster players? Yes some dead money falls off. Yes the cap likely to go up.


I’m truly curious to what people think is gonna happen or likely to happen with this expected money from dead cap falling off and cap rising because it’s the go to cited reason for accepting bad deals signed. I’ll wait for response then give what I think is likely to happen.
- Stayin alive

Ill chime in. We already know what the plan is. They want to clear out as much cap space as possible and use it to make huge free agent signings to buy their way into contention. It has been standard Flyers practice since the beginning.

Sadly it will shorten the window as they tie up massive amounts of money in aging veteran stars whose final contract years will be anchors.

They have never learned, and will never learn, how to operate in a cap environment.

4 years isnt that short to me.
- hello it's me 2050

I said shortish. You are right though.

Ill chime in. We already know what the plan is. They want to clear out as much cap space as possible and use it to make huge free agent signings to buy their way into contention. It has been standard Flyers practice since the beginning.

Sadly it will shorten the window as they tie up massive amounts of money in aging veteran stars whose final contract years will be anchors.

They have never learned, and will never learn, how to operate in a cap environment.
- MBFlyerfan

Yup, it’s as inevitable as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

Ill chime in. We already know what the plan is. They want to clear out as much cap space as possible and use it to make huge free agent signings to buy their way into contention. It has been standard Flyers practice since the beginning.

Sadly it will shorten the window as they tie up massive amounts of money in aging veteran stars whose final contract years will be anchors.

They have never learned, and will never learn, how to operate in a cap environment.
- MBFlyerfan

Hopefully all five picks in the top 40-50 next year hit their ceiling.

landros 2
Today @ 8:10 AM ET
I wonder why Fletcher didn’t sign Gauthier to an ELC immediately after his first development camp? Seems like a no brainier to lock up his his top 5 draft pick as soon as he could since Fletcher apparently promised the kid a roster spot after his first season.
- jd250


The point I don’t get ….Briere was the assistant GM at the time ? No? He would have been privy to what was being said to him and what was “promised”.




Totally agree…. What jd50 doesn’t get is he thinks cutter was “appearantly “ told he would be in line up after year 1 college…

But that doesn’t make logical sense. If the player was SO GOOD to guarantee the player that they’d just sign him and have him skip the year and go pro. Likely yes it was the plan and discussed that it would be POSSIBLE maybe after year 1 but guaranteed? Makes no sense that would be told. More likely hey kid do year in college and let’s see where it is at end of season.


Like you said surely db knew of talks between cf and cutter. He was top 5 pick. Everyone in front office knew loosely the likely plan. And it might even have been to almost certainly sign him after year 1. But every team and gm is gonna give themselves a little wiggle room. Guarantees are almost never given out.
- Stayin alive

https://x.com/friedgehnic.../1744792106650980367?s=42

It's been reported that it was about burning the 1st year of the ELC and Briere not wanting to pay him. Not playing time or anything else that exists mainly to make the Flyers look better.

Could Gauthier have handled it better, sure, but it came down to the Flyers not wanting to pay him, not skill issues.

Ill chime in. We already know what the plan is. They want to clear out as much cap space as possible and use it to make huge free agent signings to buy their way into contention. It has been standard Flyers practice since the beginning.

Sadly it will shorten the window as they tie up massive amounts of money in aging veteran stars whose final contract years will be anchors.

They have never learned, and will never learn, how to operate in a cap environment.
- MBFlyerfan

See that’s the narrative but it’s false. Actually it’s much much worse. I can explain if wanted

I like Hathaway but, no, I didn't like the extension: 1) He'll turn 33 this fall. Not wild about two additional years of commitment beyond 2024-25, 2) I'd like to see comparable role players in the farm system, much younger and only costing the minimum or close to it OR, alternatively a one year prove-it deal for a younger role playing type. Contracts like Hathaway and Poehling are fine individually but they add up when there are several such extensions on the same roster.
- Bill Meltzer

I like Hathaway as a player but as I mentioned, the Flyers did not need to extend him IMO. As I also mentioned, Add up Hathaway, Johnson and and Deslauries and that is over $5M, which could have been spent on a better player, and the Flyers would have have 2 roster spots for their younger players to compete for.

So Jett is a bust?
- WhiskeyMan

Of course not. Was he a reach? Yes. Is he still a prospect that could be really good? Sure. Was I hoping for Buium? Yes.
Did I like moving a pick for a future pick? Not particularly. Deeper draft sure…but you have 5 picks already in the 1rst two rounds… Would I prefer to trade a Konecny or a Laughton or a Farabee if they want another 2025 pick?of course, because that might actually mean they are attempting a rebuild.

landros 2
Today @ 8:10 AM ET
I wonder why Fletcher didn’t sign Gauthier to an ELC immediately after his first development camp? Seems like a no brainier to lock up his his top 5 draft pick as soon as he could since Fletcher apparently promised the kid a roster spot after his first season.
- jd250


The point I don’t get ….Briere was the assistant GM at the time ? No? He would have been privy to what was being said to him and what was “promised”.




Totally agree…. What jd50 doesn’t get is he thinks cutter was “appearantly “ told he would be in line up after year 1 college…

But that doesn’t make logical sense. If the player was SO GOOD to guarantee the player that they’d just sign him and have him skip the year and go pro. Likely yes it was the plan and discussed that it would be POSSIBLE maybe after year 1 but guaranteed? Makes no sense that would be told. More likely hey kid do year in college and let’s see where it is at end of season.


Like you said surely db knew of talks between cf and cutter. He was top 5 pick. Everyone in front office knew loosely the likely plan. And it might even have been to almost certainly sign him after year 1. But every team and gm is gonna give themselves a little wiggle room. Guarantees are almost never given out.
- Stayin alive

jd250 is doing what he always does. Misunderstanding the facts. He is confusing things and claiming that Gauthier wanted a guaranteed roster spot. What Gauthier wanted is what every other top player in his situation wanted. He wanted to sign and play for the Flyers down the stretch of the 22-23 season, because you have to play to do it, and burn off the first year of his ELC. He did not ask for a future guaranteed roster spot beyond that.

You also have Deslauriers at 1.7M for this season and next.
- Uncle Vanya

Maybe buyout ND next season or send him to the Phantoms?

Yep that’s the narrative being pushed. Now go look at the real numbers …. And what is likely to happen…. Garbage in garbage out. What do you think is likely to happen within the next 2-3 years capwise with the roster players? Yes some dead money falls off. Yes the cap likely to go up.


I’m truly curious to what people think is gonna happen or likely to happen with this expected money from dead cap falling off and cap rising because it’s the go to cited reason for accepting bad deals signed. I’ll wait for response then give what I think is likely to happen.
- Stayin alive

Well hopefully the majority of 1st round picks are either playing in the nhl or close to it.

I also hope they actually sign good free agents

So Jett is a bust?
- WhiskeyMan

Honestly... who have the Flyers picked in recent memory that hasn't been a disappointment on some level? TK? Giroux before that?

Nobody should be bullish on this Flyers scouting department.

Maybe buyout ND next season or send him to the Phantoms?
- WhiskeyMan

I will be stunned if ND gets physically sent to the Phantoms at any point during his contract. Torts "respects" him too much for that. At least in my opinion.

Ill chime in. We already know what the plan is. They want to clear out as much cap space as possible and use it to make huge free agent signings to buy their way into contention. It has been standard Flyers practice since the beginning.

Sadly it will shorten the window as they tie up massive amounts of money in aging veteran stars whose final contract years will be anchors.

They have never learned, and will never learn, how to operate in a cap environment.
- MBFlyerfan

Ok, so what you saying is you believe Jones and Briere are lying. I guess we will see.

https://x.com/friedgehnic.../1744792106650980367?s=42

It's been reported that it was about burning the 1st year of the ELC and Briere not wanting to pay him. Not playing time or anything else that exists mainly to make the Flyers look better.

Could Gauthier have handled it better, sure, but it came down to the Flyers not wanting to pay him, not skill issues.
- Flyers_01

“It’s been reported. “ “it came down to flyers not wanting to pay him”

Is this logical?
No
Could it have been a factor?
Yes certainly
We don’t know the reason because db has never publicly said what the reason for not signing cutter In March.


The story ends there. Ef claims one thing. Mjl claims another. Asf claims another. I claim another. You claim another. It’s all bs. WE SIMPLY DONT KNOW FOR SURE.


Hers what facts are that we do know and they are undisputable


1) cutter wasn’t signed in March. Had to return for year 2 off college and was obviously upset


2) cutter ghosted and stopped communicating directly with team. All communication through agent


3) philly decided and executed a trade

4) philly had 100% control of player under the cba and it was 100 % their decision how to play their hand.


In the final analysis these are the only facts that are undisputed and the rest is he said she said from people that aren’t the direct source. In court this is called hearsay and I object. I don’t care what the “word” from Philly is according to ef. HEARSAY. I don’t care what the word from Bundy is from his agent HEARSAY.


the RESULTS are 100% on db and flyers because they had 100% control of the situation under the cba.

Ill chime in. We already know what the plan is. They want to clear out as much cap space as possible and use it to make huge free agent signings to buy their way into contention. It has been standard Flyers practice since the beginning.
- MBFlyerfan

They will not have that much money left after signing their RFAs. I'm assuming Frost is gone after this season if not before, and they will sign a veteran 2C. If Michkov hits for a lot of his bonuses in 24-25 that will add a decent penalty cause they seem almost certain to be using LTIR all season.

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Right Wing: Travis Konecny ($9,000,000) - Matvei Michkov ($950,000) - Bobby Brink ($1,500,000) - Garnet Hathaway ($2,400,000)
Centre: Sean Couturier ($7,750,000) - Scott Laughton ($3,000,000) - Ryan Poehling ($1,900,000)
Left Wing: Owen Tippett ($6,200,000) - Joel Farabee ($5,000,000) - Tyson Foerster ($3,000,000) - Noah Cates ($3,000,000) - Nicolas Deslauriers ($1,750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: Travis Sanheim ($6,250,000) - Jamie Drysdale ($2,300,000) - Rasmus Ristolainen ($5,100,000)
Left: Cam York ($6,000,000) - Nick Seeler ($2,700,000) - Yegor Zamula ($1,700,000) - Emil Andrae ($903,333)

GOALTENDER (2)
Ivan Fedotov ($3,275,000) - Samuel Ersson ($1,450,000)

BUYOUTS (2)
Cam Atkinson ($1,758,333) - Ilya Bryzgalov ($0)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Kevin Hayes ($3,571,428)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
Salary Cap: $92,000,000
Cap Hit: $86,708,094
Cap Space: $5,291,906

Ok, so what you saying is you believe Jones and Briere are lying. I guess we will see.
- jd250

Jones pretty much said that was the intended plan in a recent interview.

He's also the one recently "joking" about the rebuild not really being a rebuild.

See that’s the narrative but it’s false. Actually it’s much much worse. I can explain if wanted
- Stayin alive

Sure, have at it.

what's funny is "jonesy" watched all these teams over the years being involved on tv.

You think he would have some semblance of what is needed to win and contend. He hasn't shown it at all to me. Nice guy but a fn fraud as well in his current role.

Seeing how they ended the season and how they start is only story line I am looking forward to at the moment. Does torts kill them in camp to try to get off to a "hot" start? Doee he reel it in a little so he doesnt lose them in the 1st 60 days? Any lingering hard feelings from ex selke and his clique?

Who are the torts guys in the "room" now? RP - Seeler - GH? laughable.
- hello it's me 2050

Ya know, that’s a pretty astute point. I mean that was one of the selling points on Jones is that he has all of this knowledge from being so close to the game for decades. And yet he hasn’t once publicly said “hmmmmm you know what, this ain’t how the Avs, Knights, Lightning, and Panthers did it. Heck this ain’t even how NYR, Jersey, and Dallas did it to get as close as they are.

Great point!

Honestly... who have the Flyers picked in recent memory that hasn't been a disappointment on some level? TK? Giroux before that?

Nobody should be bullish on this Flyers scouting department.
- Tomahawk

Well there's also Couturier. I don't think you can blame the scouting department for him having back issues 11 years later.

But I think in the last 20 years the only picks they have made outside the first round that turned into impact players were Ghost and Hart. Maybe Brink will be the third.

Ok, so what you saying is you believe Jones and Briere are lying. I guess we will see.
- jd250

No, I am going by exactly what they have said about freeing up cap space over the next few seasons.