I specifically said what they did when announcing the trade. Yes mb was duped. And you continue to try to defend your position which is also wrong.


- Stayin alive

If you actually understood that what MB was talking about was before the trade, which he clarified, you'd realize that he was not duped. Actually be the critical thinker that you claim to be, stop running your mouth and realize that you're wrong. That's what critical thinkers do.

What part of my position is wrong?

fox and hayes did no? though I get your point.

flyers rushed into trading him.
- hello it's me 2050

Fox and Hayes? No. I said nowadays. Fox wasn’t a top prospect. There’s a difference. The money and rules regarding burning that 1st year are also different now.

Not that i agree with everything in this article but :

https://www.crossingbroad...for-this-flyers-team.html

Jonesy confirmed to me directly that the message to the players is to ignore what it said publicly. That as employees of the Philadelphia Flyers their job is to work as hard as possible every day to compete as hard as they can and to believe in what the organization is doing and to contend for a playoff berth and see what happens from there.

of course elsewhere in the article :

The players certainly know it. They don’t need to be given some higher-level directive from the President of Hockey Operations.

The truest thing in the article :

So why say anything at all?

It’s really a larger level messaging thing. An optics thing. It works well with the “New Era of Orange” re-brand. Last year they told everyone it was an “aggressive retool,” which didn’t really land. So you wipe the Chuck Fletcher slate clean and use the word “rebuilding” and it works as an admission of sorts that they’re flipping the page and starting anew, with a new regime. The messaging made a lot of people feel better, so it made sense to do it. It doesn’t really matter what the players were told behind the scenes, because they’re not gonna dog it anyway. They’re playing to win, or earn that next contract.

And that's as far the rebuild goes. Tell people what they want to hear to feel better and do what you were going to do anyway.
- Flyers_01

What I think some problem don't understand is that these two things can both be true: 1. the brass recognizes this team is not close to being a true contender and thus will trade players for younger assets and draft capital and 2. the players should ignore the rebuild and compete as hard as possible and try to make the playoffs.

Both things need to happen, otherwise the Flyers become the Buffalo Sabres.

a 1 foot in the pool rebuilding approach is sure to work.

I pray to God they extend Laughton. Can that be done in January 2025? Or have to wait until the season is over?
- hello it's me 2050

Laughton is very versatile. He can kill penalties and score once on every twentieth breakaway. 🥳

https://www.statmuse.com/...phia-flyers-16/stats/2024

Also, barring injuries, they have an entire year of Drysdale plus the younger guys have another year of experience. Goalie stats and PP were already worst in the league, the things that they were really bad at can't get much worse can they?

I don't know. It seems that expectations are artificially lowered so that no matter what happens leadership gets credit for getting more out of the team than expected.

This team is not a bottom 5-6 team as constructed. There are teams that are actually trying to rebuild who have torn their teams down to the studs to get that elite talent that will lose more games. The crazy thing is even those teams have better goaltending and PP than the Flyers.
- Flyers_01

This is my concern as well, that the Flyers right now are still a playoff bubble team, and frankly with adding Michkov and subtracting Cam may be better than last year. The only saving grace right now is on paper it looks like the other teams around them have improved. Still, Briere has to trade more players away to assure this team is picking in the bottom 5, otherwise what do the Flyers really have in ways of assets that will get them an elite player?

Oh. Gotcha so they were only concerned about the kid until they traded him. Gotcha. Then (frank) him even though it was their decision to trade him solely. Gotcha. Hopefully we can all have people so concerned about us that would act that way
- Stayin alive

Why would they give a poop about him after he wasn't their property any more? This isn't rocket science. Im not sure what point you are trying to make here. It was good business to protect him up until the point he didnt belong to them any more.

After that who cares?

Fox and Hayes? No. I said nowadays. Fox wasn’t a top prospect. There’s a difference. The money and rules regarding burning that 1st year are also different now.
- Stayin alive

How exactly are the money and rules regarding burning that 1st year different now then they were then?

Jonesy explicitly said the plan was to clear cap space then jump into UFA. His words, not mine.

The "joke" would be funny if they weren't busy re-signing vets and keeping the band together.
- Tomahawk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYxb4aYh6I

Start at 15:14

At no time did he say he would jump into UFA as soon as cap space was clear. You are putting words in Jones' mouth because that is the narrative you want to spin.

What I think some problem don't understand is that these two things can both be true: 1. the brass recognizes this team is not close to being a true contender and thus will trade players for younger assets and draft capital and 2. the players should ignore the rebuild and compete as hard as possible and try to make the playoffs.

Both things need to happen, otherwise the Flyers become the Buffalo Sabres.
- jd250

Here is what you clearly don't understand. That is, that how the brass thinks they should go about getting to being a true contender, is flawed. According to the majority of signs.

You also don't understand that the Sabres, despite their lack of success, are in a better spot than the Flyers are

This is my concern as well, that the Flyers right now are still a playoff bubble team, and frankly with adding Michkov and subtracting Cam may be better than last year. The only saving grace right now is on paper it looks like the other teams around them have improved. Still, Briere has to trade more players away to assure this team is picking in the bottom 5, otherwise what do the Flyers really have in ways of assets that will get them an elite player?
- jd250

How? We still lost Carter Hart and Sean Walker. Both players were huge for us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYxb4aYh6I

Start at 15:14

At no time did he say he would jump into UFA as soon as cap space was clear. You are putting words in Jones' mouth because that is the narrative you want to spin.
- jd250

What do you think he is talking about when he mentions cap money and using it to their benefit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYxb4aYh6I

Start at 15:14

At no time did he say he would jump into UFA as soon as cap space was clear. You are putting words in Jones' mouth because that is the narrative you want to spin.
- jd250

Honest to God, you really struggle to evaluate what is being said in press conferences.

What do you think he is talking about when he mentions cap money and using it to their benefit?
- MBFlyerfan

I just have to laugh my ass off. From the 15:24 mark to well over the 17 minute mark, he's talking about using cap space to bring in players. About how the cap picture shows the timeline. jd apparently can't understand what is meant by making this team a place where players want to play. Where they see a crowd at a Phillies playoff game and say that they want to experience that in Philly. It's absolutely hysterical.

really hope the PP shows zero improvement just to see if they do anything.
- hello it's me 2050

Can't imagine that just adding Michkov doesn't bump it up from historically bad to just really bad. Then again, Michkov may need to earn that PP time by blocking pucks with his face.

How the hell did the Flyers not replace the PP coach. Being historically bad at coaching something, for consecutive years no less, is not enough to get canned anymore?

It's not just the players, it looks like the players don't even know what to do out there half the time.

The PK SV% was 5th highest in the league.

https://www.naturalstattr...all&loc=B&gpf=410&fd=&td=
- Feanor

I don't work for Statmuse, take it up with them

Here is what you clearly don't understand. That is, that how the brass thinks they should go about getting to being a true contender, is flawed. According to the majority of signs.

You also don't understand that the Sabres, despite their lack of success, are in a better spot than the Flyers are
- MJL

Please educate me on the signs that you make you think Jones and Briere have a flawed idea of how to build a championship.

What do you think he is talking about when he mentions cap money and using it to their benefit?
- MBFlyerfan

I take it to mean that when the time is right and the Flyers have cap space, they will do what EVERY SINGLE NHL team would do, try to identify the right players to fill whatever gaps they have. What the hell is wrong with this? It does not mean they will not continue to draft and develop players. You have to do both successfully in order to build a true contending team.

I just have to laugh my ass off. From the 15:24 mark to well over the 17 minute mark, he's talking about using cap space to bring in players. About how the cap picture shows the timeline. jd apparently can't understand what is meant by making this team a place where players want to play. Where they see a crowd at a Phillies playoff game and say that they want to experience that in Philly. It's absolutely hysterical.
- MJL

The only thing hysterical here is how you and others on this forum want to take every single thing they say out of context and turn it into a negative. There is nothing Jones said here that indicates the Flyers will try to spend their way to a cup. Only in your jaded minds would you take what he said and turn it into that. The way you make a franchise a destination for other players is to make it a perenial contender for the cup, and the only way to do that is by having a solid core group of players in their prime with at least 1 elite player and a few all star players, and then you augment with role players around them.

Please educate me on the signs that you make you think Jones and Briere have a flawed idea of how to build a championship.
- jd250

Watch the Youtube video you just posted. Start at the 15:14 mark.

The only thing hysterical here is how you and others on this forum want to take every single thing they say out of context and turn it into a negative. There is nothing Jones said here that indicates the Flyers will try to spend their way to a cup. Only in your jaded minds would you take what he said and turn it into that.
- jd250

You're being an incredible fool! It is obvious what he is saying and it's not taken out of context. Honestly, you have the comprehension level of a 5 year old.

Watch the Youtube video you just posted. Start at the 15:14 mark.
- MJL

That is a cop out answer and you know it. If you want to have a serious, but respectful conversation on this topic, let me know.

You're being an incredible fool! It is obvious what he is saying and it's not taken out of context. Honestly, you have the comprehension level of a 5 year old.
- MJL

Well we know what you think. What do others on here think about what Jones said?

I take it to mean that when the time is right and the Flyers have cap space, they will do what EVERY SINGLE NHL team would do, try to identify the right players to fill whatever gaps they have. What the hell is wrong with this? It does not mean they will not continue to draft and develop players. You have to do both successfully in order to build a true contending team.
- jd250

LOL, what is wrong with it, is that cap picture, shows the timeline that he is talking about, is not that far off. It's in a time period where the Flyers should still be rebuilding. Rather than doing what everyone knows, with the only possible exception of you, will be doing. That is attempting to wheel and deal and spend their way to contention in a new era of Orange! Which will undoubtedly lead to more press conferences where they announce another new era with another catchy phrase. Rinse and repeat.

That is a cop out answer and you know it. If you want to have a serious, but respectful conversation on this topic, let me know.
- jd250

It's not at all a cop out. Watch the video that you posted. Actually listen and comprehend what is being said. That is in all seriousness. Also in all seriousness, I'm amazed at how dense you are.

What I think some problem don't understand is that these two things can both be true: 1. the brass recognizes this team is not close to being a true contender and thus will trade players for younger assets and draft capital and 2. the players should ignore the rebuild and compete as hard as possible and try to make the playoffs.

Both things need to happen, otherwise the Flyers become the Buffalo Sabres.
- jd250

They are 100% like the Sabres when it comes to management and being 95% incompetent.