That's wrong on a number of levels. There was a bluff and the Flyers were unwilling to call it or remain patient. There certainly was some risk



I certainly lean towards agreeing with the idea that I don't think Gauthier would've been willing to sit out for all 4 years. He obviously was willing to go back for another year and put off his priority. He was willing to turn down a contract that the Flyers offered in May of 23 for the 23/24 season. So despite that priority, he did not sign the contract. That top prospect DID let something get in the way of that. That's a fact.

I agree with you on a lot of areas in this but you're getting yourself in a lot of trouble by continuing to tell others, who are right about what they're saying, that they have been duped, etc
- MJL

lol. Come on man. Think logically here. Don’t go all jd50 on me. Let me break that timeline down for you a bit

We agree on March no elc.
Cutter pissed

Here’s where you have to decide for yourself the next part what’s real and what likely bs as it is the key to this timeline of events.
May of 23 for the 23/24 season. Do you actually believe the flyers when they say they came to some epitome in May and actually had contract on table for cutter? Please tell me you haven’t pinned your hopes to a phone bill.
There was no contract in May. Danny ordered the code red.
Please tell me you don’t believe there was a contract.

Here’s what happened they knew cutter was pissed in March. When develop camp came around and no cutter they knew problem was present cutter obviously knew another year of college and prepared for that. As it went on and flyers couldn’t directly contact him except through agent even sending glory stars of past and trying in person at tourney they knew big problem and got pissed as no one treats flyers like this.

As season was looking decent in November December the pissed off macho flyers decided (frank) cutter and traded him for broken jd to try to push for playoffs. Win now type player in their eyes. And the whole time the pr machine was evaluating the situation and decided how to spin this.

The flyers have PROVEN over and over and over again that
1) they are incompetent
2)they have no plan
3) they lie about true plan(rebuild)
4) they think they have correct philosophy on building a team let alone a contending team let alone a Stanley cup team


But we are supposed to BELIEVE they had a contract and cutter refused to sign it?

Come on man tell me you don’t believe this.

This is my concern as well, that the Flyers right now are still a playoff bubble team, and frankly with adding Michkov and subtracting Cam may be better than last year. The only saving grace right now is on paper it looks like the other teams around them have improved. Still, Briere has to trade more players away to assure this team is picking in the bottom 5, otherwise what do the Flyers really have in ways of assets that will get them an elite player?
- jd250

Is it possible that Jones and Torts are the majority and don’t want to move said players? A 2-1 vote.

lol. Come on man. Think logically here. Don’t go all jd50 on me. Let me break that timeline down for you a bit

We agree on March no elc.
Cutter pissed

Here’s where you have to decide for yourself the next part what’s real and what likely bs as it is the key to this timeline of events.
May of 23 for the 23/24 season. Do you actually believe the flyers when they say they came to some epitome in May and actually had contract on table for cutter? Please tell me you haven’t pinned your hopes to a phone bill.
There was no contract in May. Danny ordered the code red.
Please tell me you don’t believe there was a contract.

Here’s what happened they knew cutter was pissed in March. When develop camp came around and no cutter they knew problem was present cutter obviously knew another year of college and prepared for that. As it went on and flyers couldn’t directly contact him except through agent even sending glory stars of past and trying in person at tourney they knew big problem and got pissed as no one treats flyers like this.

As season was looking decent in November December the pissed off macho flyers decided (frank) cutter and traded him for broken jd to try to push for playoffs. Win now type player in their eyes. And the whole time the pr machine was evaluating the situation and decided how to spin this.

The flyers have PROVEN over and over and over again that
1) they are incompetent
2)they have no plan
3) they lie about true plan(rebuild)
4) they think they have correct philosophy on building a team let alone a contending team let alone a Stanley cup team


But we are supposed to BELIEVE they had a contract and cutter refused to sign it?

Come on man tell me you don’t believe this.
- Stayin alive

We know for a fact that the Flyers offered Gauthier a contract in May. Reported by many credible sources. You being completely wrong about that as well as the corny movie references. Caused me to stop reading at that point. This is what is meant by when I tell you to instead of telling people they've been duped or to think critically. Have a grasp of the facts, instead of being wrong.

Well we know what you think. What do others on here think about what Jones said?
- jd250

to put it in Phillies terms: when the dead cap money comes off try and go out and sign the Flyers version of Harper.

The thing is with the future contracts and the cap they will need to give out ((TK (assume they sign him), York, JD, Cates & MM)) in the next few years they better have some infusion of cheap elite talent in the ranks through drafting.

LOL, what is wrong with it, is that cap picture, shows the timeline that he is talking about, is not that far off. It's in a time period where the Flyers should still be rebuilding. Rather than doing what everyone knows, with the only possible exception of you, will be doing. That is attempting to wheel and deal and spend their way to contention in a new era of Orange! Which will undoubtedly lead to more press conferences where they announce another new era with another catchy phrase. Rinse and repeat.
- MJL

Jones clearly stated and I quote:

There is no room for error on whatever players we add to the mix in a couple of years, those are things we have to pay a lot of attention to right now and that is sometihng we are focused on. Some of that is growth from within, some of our younger players, and whomever we draft with the two first round picks this year and then the multiple first round picks next year. It's going to be key but at the same time the removal of dead money off the cap is something we are going to be able to use to our benefit as long as we do everything right here, and make sure this is a place where people want to play.

It right here for all to see. Jones at no time even indicates they are going back to the good old days of trying to build a contender through spending on free agents and trading draft picks. He clearly states He and Briere need to draft and develop right so that the team will have that younger core that they can then augment with free agents. That is what is meant by making this a destination for players.

Jones clearly stated and I quote:



It right here for all to see. Jones at no team even indicates they are going back to the good old days of trying to build a contender through spending on free agents and trading draft picks.
- jd250

He talked in answering that question for over two minutes. He is clearly talking about using the dead cap space when it becomes available. He clearly mentions that it shows the timeline. Yet you only post a snippet of what was said. Do you work for the White House?

To anyone with any common sense. It is clear what Jones was alluding to. That as well as their actions in not being willing to trade certain players. In re-signing certain players that they should've traded. As well as their history. All points to something that is very easy to see. This is not a rebuild, or at the very least, is a short re-tool where they again, will go back to doing what they always do.

This is going to end up like every other debate you and I have had. It's going to end up like every other "read" you've made on any hockey situation. With you being wrong and me being right. This situation is not hard to figure out. It's proven to be a challenge for you. Not surprising

He talked in answering that question for over two minutes. He is clearly talking about using the dead cap space when it becomes available. He clearly mentions that it shows the timeline. Yet you only post a snippet of what was said. Do you work for the White House?

To anyone with any common sense. It is clear what Jones was alluding to. That as well as their actions in not being willing to trade certain players. In re-signing certain players that they should've traded. As well as their history. All points to something that is very easy to see. This is not a rebuild, or at the very least, is a short re-tool where they again, will go back to doing what they always do.

This is going to end up like every other debate you and I have had. It's going to end up like every other "read" you've made on any hockey situation. With you being wrong and me being right. This situation is not hard to figure out. It's proven to be a challenge for you. Not surprising
- MJL

Yes its going to be like every other debate we have, that I'm right and you are wrong.

If you actually understood that what MB was talking about was before the trade, which he clarified, you'd realize that he was not duped. Actually be the critical thinker that you claim to be, stop running your mouth and realize that you're wrong. That's what critical thinkers do.

What part of my position is wrong?
- MJL

Nope that’s moving goalpost as always. My comments were never about before trade. My comments are what happened directly after trade. As we all learned what was going on. Mb tried to explain this concern bs before trade. We know this is a lie by their actions when trade announced. They were never concerned about the player and fanbase reaction to word getting out. They were concerned about how it would make them look. Plain and simple. As they always are. They were pissed. No one treats the gold standard flyers this way. NO ONE. They never had concern for cutter

Jones clearly stated and I quote:



It right here for all to see. Jones at no time even indicates they are going back to the good old days of trying to build a contender through spending on free agents and trading draft picks. He clearly states He and Briere need to draft and develop right so that the team will have that younger core that they can then augment with free agents. That is what is meant by making this a destination for players.
- jd250

what year do you think the 2025 draft picks will arrive to make an impact? How about 2024

I take it to mean that when the time is right and the Flyers have cap space, they will do what EVERY SINGLE NHL team would do, try to identify the right players to fill whatever gaps they have. What the hell is wrong with this? It does not mean they will not continue to draft and develop players. You have to do both successfully in order to build a true contending team.
- jd250

Ok, but what you are seemingly not considering is what those gaps consist of. The teams you are talking about are signing 3rd and 4th line players. Or maybe that one last FA piece to put them over the top. The gaps this team has are 1c, 2c, 1d, etc. These players haven't been drafted yet. They plan to sign those players and I cant believe you don't see it.

Well we know what you think. What do others on here think about what Jones said?
- jd250

Let's just say that other truly rebuilding teams aren't talking about the timeline being set by dead cap space opening up. Mike Grier isn't talking like that. Nor is Kyle Davidson. Their timelines are based on the continued acquisition of elite talent thru the draft and how long those players take to develop into superstars. And they're not locking up a bunch of current vets to long term deals because they know they'll need that cap space to extend their future stars once they come off ELC.

Nope that’s moving goalpost as always. My comments were never about before trade. My comments are what happened directly after trade. As we all learned what was going on. Mb tried to explain this concern bs before trade. We know this is a lie by their actions when trade announced. They were never concerned about the player and fanbase reaction to word getting out. They were concerned about how it would make them look. Plain and simple. As they always are. They were pissed. No one treats the gold standard flyers this way. NO ONE. They never had concern for cutter
- Stayin alive

Who the (frank) cares about what happened after the trade? I was always talking about why the Flyers did what they did leading up to the trade. After the trade is irrelevant. You were talking about how they should have played hardball and let him rot in college until he came to his senses when he was still their prospect. IE BEFORE THE TRADE!!!!

If anyone is moving the goalposts it is you.

My condolences to the Voce family.

Tony Voce played for the Philadelphia Phantoms, and Boston College.
Was a runner up for the Hobey Baker award. I had the honor of knowing Tony, he was a good guy. He was recently inducted into Boston College hockey hall of fame.
He was 43 years old. I’ll always remember the 4 goal game he had while playing with the Phantoms. Rest in peace.

(frank) quitter don't defend him

Why would they give a poop about him after he wasn't their property any more? This isn't rocket science. Im not sure what point you are trying to make here. It was good business to protect him up until the point he didnt belong to them any more.

After that who cares?
- MBFlyerfan

So they are disingenuous? Why would anyone believe they cared before the trade with the reaction after the trade? Please make that make sense. It was a poopty situation. If they cared at all ever why would you puff chest after the trade and try to destroy this kid? That doesn’t make sense. It speaks like a jilted lover. Not professional and definitely would make one think of doing business with them no? If it’s good business supposedly look concerned before trade how is it good business to do what they did after trade? It definitely wasn’t good look and bad for business no? So the good business is only when it fits the narrative?

How exactly are the money and rules regarding burning that 1st year different now then they were then?
- MJL

Look it up. And while there look at the salaries from back then to now. What was average salary of top prospects then to now? All public knowledge

Yes its going to be like every other debate we have, that I'm right and you are wrong.
- jd250

You're honestly beyond help. I'm not sure why I even interact with you. It's just so dam entertaining watching you every single day, inventing new ways of making a fool of yourself. Today you actually posted that there was no proof of what people were posting, then proceeded to link to an interview where Jones was providing the very proof. Can't make it up.

Nope that’s moving goalpost as always. My comments were never about before trade. My comments are what happened directly after trade. As we all learned what was going on. Mb tried to explain this concern bs before trade. We know this is a lie by their actions when trade announced. They were never concerned about the player and fanbase reaction to word getting out. They were concerned about how it would make them look. Plain and simple. As they always are. They were pissed. No one treats the gold standard flyers this way. NO ONE. They never had concern for cutter
- Stayin alive

No, you're actually moving the goalposts here and not practicing critical thinking. It's not just about your comments. You're wrong about them never being concerned about the potential fan base reaction. They were pissed about how it worked out. Nobody has disputed that. You're too busy foaming at the mouth to stop, pause, take a breath and realize what is being said.

Let's just say that other truly rebuilding teams aren't talking about the timeline being set by dead cap space opening up. Mike Grier isn't talking like that. Nor is Kyle Davidson. Their timelines are based on the continued acquisition of elite talent thru the draft and how long those players take to develop into superstars. And they're not locking up a bunch of current vets to long term deals because they know they'll need that cap space to extend their future stars once they come off ELC.
- Tomahawk

It's so painfully obvious that it's comical. He literally can't put 2 and 2 together.

Look it up. And while there look at the salaries from back then to now. What was average salary of top prospects then to now? All public knowledge
- Stayin alive

I don't need to look it up. I know that the rules weren't different. I'm just calling you out on it. I wasn't expecting any kind of answer from you

We know for a fact that the Flyers offered Gauthier a contract in May. Reported by many credible sources. You being completely wrong about that as well as the corny movie references. Caused me to stop reading at that point. This is what is meant by when I tell you to instead of telling people they've been duped or to think critically. Have a grasp of the facts, instead of being wrong.
- MJL

Who are these credible sources? Don’t go jd on me. Who are the sources?

Jones clearly stated and I quote:



It right here for all to see. Jones at no time even indicates they are going back to the good old days of trying to build a contender through spending on free agents and trading draft picks. He clearly states He and Briere need to draft and develop right so that the team will have that younger core that they can then augment with free agents. That is what is meant by making this a destination for players.
- jd250

Sucking off as usual. When is it going to get through your thick head? They lie. Time and time again. What do your eyes see

Who are these credible sources? Don’t go jd on me. Who are the sources?
- Stayin alive

Elliotte Friedman, Pierre LeBrun, Darren Dreger among others.

Stop being a putz and telling others they're being duped or going JD. You have made numerous false statements.

Ok, but what you are seemingly not considering is what those gaps consist of. The teams you are talking about are signing 3rd and 4th line players. Or maybe that one last FA piece to put them over the top. The gaps this team has are 1c, 2c, 1d, etc. These players haven't been drafted yet. They plan to sign those players and I cant believe you don't see it.
- MBFlyerfan

Because he sucks them off like 90% of the base. They talk and these puppets dance.

They know step 1 is ridding players like tk and drafting high. And getting high end talent. They see that’s not gonna happen unless they luck into it. Completely avoiding step 1 of rebuild. Yet when these fools talk the puppets blindly go with it

Who the (frank) cares about what happened after the trade? I was always talking about why the Flyers did what they did leading up to the trade. After the trade is irrelevant. You were talking about how they should have played hardball and let him rot in college until he came to his senses when he was still their prospect. IE BEFORE THE TRADE!!!!

If anyone is moving the goalposts it is you.
- MBFlyerfan

Because the flyers aren’t credible. Cutter has been credible the whole time start to finish by his words and actions. The flyers have not. Plain and simple