I get concept of flexibility. Pretty much every forward can be moved. So technically they can do what Chicago did and trade away most of their forwards and tank like everyone wants them to do.

Being flexible and TKs contract are 2 different things.
- WhiskeyMan

Do you really think this is going to happen? I think we all know this is not happening and they are waiting for their cap space to open.

their plan is to hope Leon makes it to free agency then throw a max contract at him
- hello it's me 2050

Would they even have enough cap space to do that? They just added $8.75 mill to the cap for next year. I know that won't use all of it but they will need to give several players raises.

Resigning future #1 D York, Foerster, Frost, and Cates has to take at least 10 mill?

With this extension can you honestly tell your readers that the team is rebuilding?
- corduroy

Yes, I can. This doesn't change it. You're asking the wrong question. A heavy focus on collecting assets in the early rounds of drafts spread over a few Drafts IS an attempt to do a rebuild.

The question is whether it going far enough or is too reminiscent of the Hexy era -- locking up Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds through their primes and beyond, signing JVR to a five-year UFA contract, etc. -- with a risk of similar results.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Can't get worked up over something we all saw coming a mile away.

https://x.com/NHLFlyers/s...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Seeing Holmgren at the round table 5 seconds in is funny.

It’s not a rebuild, it’s a re-tool on the fly. It’s the same crap that Hextall tried. It failed then and it will fail now. They followed Hextall with Fletcher’s disastrous “bias for action” and I can see them repeating that as well in a year or 2.

It’s one thing to make mistakes, all professional sports organizations make mistakes. But when you repeatedly don’t learn from your mistakes, that’s a big problem.

The Flyers don’t seem to have learned a thing from the mistakes they’ve recently made. This won’t end well.

Yes, I can. This doesn't change it. You're asking the wrong question. A heavy focus on collecting assets in the early rounds of drafts spread over a few Drafts IS an attempt to do a rebuild.

The question is whether it going far enough or is too reminiscent of the Hexy era -- locking up Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds through their primes and beyond, signing JVR to a five-year UFA contract, etc. -- with a risk of similar results.
- bmeltzer

Problem is we are picking in no man’s land again. Maybe everything goes bad this year and they fall into a top 5 pick but that seems unlikely. They need to draft elite talent or have a shot to draft elite talent.

Constantly picking in the middle of the first round is not getting it done without a lot of luck. The passed up a potential 1D prospect while still not having a 1D instead picking a C that most folks believe will top out as a 2C if he hits his ceiling.

After 2025 they have no picks that I am aware of… it never was a rebuild it is a retool on the fly.

Do you really think this is going to happen? I think we all know this is not happening and they are waiting for their cap space to open.
- Flyfly

I was replying to a post stating they had no flexibility. All I said is that they do.

Will players be moved, I think yes. I believe that Laughton will be moved, hopefully this year. If next year plan does involve sending ND to the Phantoms, he should then be bought out.

https://x.com/NHLFlyers/status/1816846588284744133?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1816846588284744133%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Seeing Holmgren at the round table 5 seconds in is funny.
- hello it's me 2050

He's supposedly retired along w/ Clarkie but we keep seeing them in these behind the scenes shots.

Yes, I can. This doesn't change it. You're asking the wrong question. A heavy focus on collecting assets in the early rounds of drafts spread over a few Drafts IS an attempt to do a rebuild.

The question is whether it going far enough or is too reminiscent of the Hexy era -- locking up Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds through their primes and beyond, signing JVR to a five-year UFA contract, etc. -- with a risk of similar results.
- bmeltzer

Respectfully disagree. IMO, to rebuild something you need to first tear it down. The Flyers have not done that. I also disagree with the heavy focus on early draft picks. They have merely been in no position to take on additional salary after their past mistakes and empty farm team, hence heavily promoting the cap space in 2025.

Outside of the Walker draft pick, i don't see any picks which were acquired mainly for the "rebuild" but rather just acquiring assets during the course of normal hockey trades (ie. giroux, provy trades).

The Hexy era was a retool and marketed as such. This will most likely end the same and is also a retool.

Yes, I can. This doesn't change it. You're asking the wrong question. A heavy focus on collecting assets in the early rounds of drafts spread over a few Drafts IS an attempt to do a rebuild.

The question is whether it going far enough or is too reminiscent of the Hexy era -- locking up Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds through their primes and beyond, signing JVR to a five-year UFA contract, etc. -- with a risk of similar results.
- bmeltzer

Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds is better than Coots, TK and Tippett

Yes, I can. This doesn't change it. You're asking the wrong question. A heavy focus on collecting assets in the early rounds of drafts spread over a few Drafts IS an attempt to do a rebuild.

The question is whether it going far enough or is too reminiscent of the Hexy era -- locking up Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds through their primes and beyond, signing JVR to a five-year UFA contract, etc. -- with a risk of similar results.
- bmeltzer

It is a retool on the fly same as Hextall. The lesson they learned from the past mistake was the wrong one. Instead of changing their approach they changed their marketing due to the restlessness of the fanbase.

Respectfully disagree. IMO, to rebuild something you need to first tear it down. The Flyers have not done that. I also disagree with the heavy focus on early draft picks. They have merely been in no position to take on additional salary after their past mistakes and empty farm team, hence heavily promoting the cap space in 2025.

Outside of the Walker draft pick, i don't see any picks which were acquired mainly for the "rebuild" but rather just acquiring assets during the course of normal hockey trades (ie. giroux, provy trades).

The Hexy era was a retool and marketed as such. This will most likely end the same and is also a retool.
- Flyers_01

So you want them to tank?
I asked this before, besides Chicago and Pitt, how many teams have won the cup after tanking?
How many teams have won the cup after being bad for awhile and just drafted really well and traded for players?

The issue with the Flyers is they have not drafted well nor have they found that franchise player. Also when was the last time they had the #1 pick in the draft?

Problem is we are picking in no man’s land again. Maybe everything goes bad this year and they fall into a top 5 pick but that seems unlikely. They need to draft elite talent or have a shot to draft elite talent.

Constantly picking in the middle of the first round is not getting it done without a lot of luck. The passed up a potential 1D prospect while still not having a 1D instead picking a C that most folks believe will top out as a 2C if he hits his ceiling.

After 2025 they have no picks that I am aware of… it never was a rebuild it is a retool on the fly.
- Flyfly

Jury is still out of course. But besides the no brainer pick of Michkov, they haven't shown they can draft very well at all.

In 3 years I will be interested to see where Gauthier, Perreault, and Buium are in comparison to Drysdale, Bonk and Luchanko. It will sting if all players pan out to their predicted ceilings, because we will be on the wrong side of it.

If they are taking the path they are taking, they better hit on every one of those 1st rounders, otherwise they are screwed.

He's supposedly retired along w/ Clarkie but we keep seeing them in these behind the scenes shots.



- Tomahawk

Where was he seated at the draft table? I didn't see him in Vegas when it counted. Maybe I missed him, or he's just not as important as people like to believe.

Where was he seated at the draft table? I didn't see him in Vegas when it counted. Maybe I missed him, or he's just not as important as people like to believe.
- Flyerz74

Looks like he was in the scouting meeting where they make their list pre-draft.

Jury is still out of course. But besides the no brainer pick of Michkov, they haven't shown they can draft very well at all.

In 3 years I will be interested to see where Gauthier, Perreault, and Buium are in comparison to Drysdale, Bonk and Luchanko. It will sting if all players pan out to their predicted ceilings, because we will be on the wrong side of it.

If they are taking the path they are taking, they better hit on every one of those 1st rounders, otherwise they are screwed.
- MBFlyerfan

Could not agree more! Well said 👍

I get concept of flexibility. Pretty much every forward can be moved. So technically they can do what Chicago did and trade away most of their forwards and tank like everyone wants them to do.

Being flexible and TKs contract are 2 different things.
- WhiskeyMan

Why would they want to trade away young forwards?

He's supposedly retired along w/ Clarkie but we keep seeing them in these behind the scenes shots.



- Tomahawk

Boucher is such a slurping shill as well. He is embarrassing.

So you want them to tank?
I asked this before, besides Chicago and Pitt, how many teams have won the cup after tanking?
How many teams have won the cup after being bad for awhile and just drafted really well and traded for players?

The issue with the Flyers is they have not drafted well nor have they found that franchise player. Also when was the last time they had the #1 pick in the draft?
- WhiskeyMan

I want them to strip it down to the studs to try to draft elite talent and quality supporting players that will sustain the team for the next 10+ years.

If you want to call that tanking, then yes.

We'll ignore the fact that those teams have 8 cups between them due to being bad to get to be good, and also that CHI wasn't a tank so much as cheap dumbass owner. The answer is many teams have done this including last year's cup winner. I'm not going to rehash this again. The argument and teams were listed last week in a thread.

It's also going to take more than one draft.

So you want them to tank?
I asked this before, besides Chicago and Pitt, how many teams have won the cup after tanking?
How many teams have won the cup after being bad for awhile and just drafted really well and traded for players?

The issue with the Flyers is they have not drafted well nor have they found that franchise player. Also when was the last time they had the #1 pick in the draft?
- WhiskeyMan

many posters provided the answers.

is the flyers way to build a contender one that works or has been successful?

I'm OK with the cap hit (wasn't much choice if they were going to extend him). I'm concerned about the term. Counting next season, this is a NINE year commitment.
- bmeltzer

Only Cindy Crosby keep a high level throughout a long contract.

Yes, I can. This doesn't change it. You're asking the wrong question. A heavy focus on collecting assets in the early rounds of drafts spread over a few Drafts IS an attempt to do a rebuild.

The question is whether it going far enough or is too reminiscent of the Hexy era -- locking up Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds through their primes and beyond, signing JVR to a five-year UFA contract, etc. -- with a risk of similar results.
- bmeltzer

It does Bill. Any team that is legitimately rebuilding, does not re-sign a player like Konecny to a new 8 year deal. It's cut and dry. It's not a rebuild. It's a reset simply because of the lack of cap space that they have due to how bad it was screwed up under Fletcher. They're going to repeat the same errors.

So you want them to tank?
I asked this before, besides Chicago and Pitt, how many teams have won the cup after tanking?
How many teams have won the cup after being bad for awhile and just drafted really well and traded for players?

The issue with the Flyers is they have not drafted well nor have they found that franchise player. Also when was the last time they had the #1 pick in the draft?
- WhiskeyMan

Whatever you want to call it... bad for awhile or "tanking"... that's what people are asking for.

Why would they want to trade away young forwards?
- MJL

Dude, WTF is your problem. I am not saying they will trade young forwards. I am saying they have the flexibility if they wanted to, key word is flexibility.

But to answer your question, if a team comes along and says they believe Frost is the missing piece to them winning the cup and offer a 2nd or 1st, Danny better trade him.