So I missed the Askarov talk, was it fair value? How bad did Tree mess up on not acquiring him? Too rich for the leafs?
- Aaron_85

Hi Aaron!

The Preds basically got 2 x 1st round picks for him
- dmnted

Maybe in the minority but I don't think they did that great.

Basically a 2nd rounder and a late first for an 11th overall pick.

this means 'no Robertson = the Cup'??
- 21peter

He's been the problem all along.

So I missed the Askarov talk, was it fair value? How bad did Tree mess up on not acquiring him? Too rich for the leafs?
- Aaron_85

I don't think there was too much talk about it.

When you look at the deal Nashville traded Askarov, a 3rd and a player who's not likely to be a player (Nolan Burke). San Jose traded Edstrom (The #32 pick in 2023), Chrona - a massive 6'6 goaltending prospect, and gave up Vegas' 1st round pick in 2025. The pick is conditionally protected in that if it's a top-10 pick San Jose has the option to swap their pick instead of Vegas' pick to complete the trade.

Vegas is still a good team but they have gotten worse from last year where they were the #14 team. Due to the rest of the west not really making huge steps towards them yet, I don't think Vegas has to worry about missing the playoffs, but they seem like a WC2 team. So if you're Nashville you're likely getting a pick around #17 and a 19 year old who was just taken at the end of the 1st round along with a potential goaltending replacement.

For the Leafs to compete they probably have to go Cowan, Hildeby and a 1st - noting that the Leafs 1st is likely considered to be 5-10 places higher than Vegas' pick. So maybe Nashville doesn't give back the 3rd with Toronto in order to retain their value proposition in that type of deal.

All of that for a potential goalie of the future - but he's a bit of an unknown. He's expected to be exceptional, but so were all of the other goalies of the future drafted in and around where Askarov was. These are the only goaltenders taken in the top-20 in the NHL draft since 2000:

Fleury (1)
Price (5)
Montoya (6)
Bernier (11)
Campbell (11)
Askarov (11)
Knight (13)
Dubnyk (14)
Helenuis (15)
Schwarz (17)
Pickard (18)
Vasilevskiy (19)

Notably: Rask (21), Samsonov (22), Varlamov (23) just missed that arbitrary cut.

But basically you're talking about 3 goaltenders that didn't miss out of 12 that couldn't miss. I think it's a hard position for any team hunting for a cup to be in. You just can't take that gamble right now.

I think for Askarov and San Jose it's a great move. I think for us it would have been very, very risky.

From the tweeter, lol

“"I’m 90% sure Mitch Marner is getting traded this off season” - Chris Johnson

“Nick Robertson won’t play for the Toronto Maple Leafs this season” - Chris Johnson

“You can make a lot of money in crypto” - Chris Johnson"

“Nick Robertson won’t play for the Toronto Maple Leafs this season” - Chris Johnson

- Fakepartofme

At this point might just be better to cut bait on Hakanpaa and trade Robertson and get another d into the fold, and or invite a depth LW on a PTO or something to deal with both issues at the same time and boom done this before camp

Maybe in the minority but I don't think they did that great.

Basically a 2nd rounder and a late first for an 11th overall pick.
- joel878

Add me to the minority then as I agree with you. I also think his value is being overly exaggerated, he has 3 NHL games.

And for those who will cling to his impressive AHL stats I have a name for you - Garrett Sparks.

In the season the Marlies won the Cup and Sparks won AHL goalie of the year he had a 1.79 GAA and a .936 SV % - both of which are better than anything Askarov has had at any level. Sparks #'s in his 2 seasons in the AHL were both better than either of the 2 years Askarov has had in the AHL at this point.

AHL success as a goalie doesn't automatically equate to success as an NHL goalie unfortunatley for the Leafs and other teams. Sometimes it does for sure (Price, Quick come to mind right away) but you just dont' know until you know.

He could be the next Quick or Price, could be the next Sparks or Jonas "The Monster" Gustavsson.

Since he's not a Leaf I'll hope he's the next Sparks!

Maybe in the minority but I don't think they did that great.

Basically a 2nd rounder and a late first for an 11th overall pick.
- joel878

Meh, 11th overall pick from 2020.
They got a minor league goalie (5th rounder from 2018), a first round center (2023) and mid to late 1st round pick for a goalie who's played 3 NHL games and has some good AHL stats.
Considering Askarov wanted out, not bad I guess.

Meh, 11th overall pick from 2020.
They got a minor league goalie (5th rounder from 2018), a first round center (2023) and mid to late 1st round pick for a goalie who's played 3 NHL games and has some good AHL stats.
Considering Askarov wanted out, not bad I guess.
- Fakepartofme

Better than the return for Laine.

From the tweeter, lol

“"I’m 90% sure Mitch Marner is getting traded this off season” - Chris Johnson

“Nick Robertson won’t play for the Toronto Maple Leafs this season” - Chris Johnson

“You can make a lot of money in crypto” - Chris Johnson"
- Fakepartofme

Are all of these quotes accurate?

Add me to the minority then as I agree with you. I also think his value is being overly exaggerated, he has 3 NHL games.

And for those who will cling to his impressive AHL stats I have a name for you - Garrett Sparks.

In the season the Marlies won the Cup and Sparks won AHL goalie of the year he had a 1.79 GAA and a .936 SV % - both of which are better than anything Askarov has had at any level. Sparks #'s in his 2 seasons in the AHL were both better than either of the 2 years Askarov has had in the AHL at this point.

AHL success as a goalie doesn't automatically equate to success as an NHL goalie unfortunatley for the Leafs and other teams. Sometimes it does for sure (Price, Quick come to mind right away) but you just dont' know until you know.

He could be the next Quick or Price, could be the next Sparks or Jonas "The Monster" Gustavsson.

Since he's not a Leaf I'll hope he's the next Sparks!
- Cush29

Since no one on that list has made it yet, and you can cross out Burke at least, you're basically saying:

Nashville trades the 11OA and the 100OA picks to San Jose for the 16OA, 32OA and 150OA picks.

Nashville trades down 5-8 spots and gets two first round picks.

I view it as a relatively even trade - but I do think Askarov has the greatest chance of being an elite player of anyone that's being moved - or yet to be drafted (without knowing who - just based on the odds).

From San Jose's perspective they already had drafted picks 4 & 26 from the 2023 draft - they had received Edstrom from the Hertl deal - plus they had picks 1 and 11 from the 2024 draft - as well as 7 from the 2021 draft.

They have a decent enough group that trading Vegas' pick and Edstrom for a hopeful goalie of the future is a risk worth taking - especially since their goalie system is pretty barren.

You're bang on that he could end up not panning out at all.

Better than the return for Laine.
- Atomic Wedgie

Are all of these quotes accurate?

- Scabeh

Are you asking whether they're attributed to Chris Johnson or whether they're truthful?

Are you asking whether they're attributed to Chris Johnson or whether they're truthful?
- TheMussel

The former.

Because the latter is quite obvious.

The former.

Because the latter is quite obvious.
- Scabeh

To be fair, you CAN make a lot of money in Crypto. But you sort of a little bit have to know what you're doing or be an adept trader.

Since no one on that list has made it yet, and you can cross out Burke at least, you're basically saying:

Nashville trades the 11OA and the 100OA picks to San Jose for the 16OA, 32OA and 150OA picks.

Nashville trades down 5-8 spots and gets two first round picks.

I view it as a relatively even trade - but I do think Askarov has the greatest chance of being an elite player of anyone that's being moved - or yet to be drafted (without knowing who - just based on the odds).

From San Jose's perspective they already had drafted picks 4 & 26 from the 2023 draft - they had received Edstrom from the Hertl deal - plus they had picks 1 and 11 from the 2024 draft - as well as 7 from the 2021 draft.

They have a decent enough group that trading Vegas' pick and Edstrom for a hopeful goalie of the future is a risk worth taking - especially since their goalie system is pretty barren.

You're bang on that he could end up not panning out at all.
- Monkeypunk

No you can't say that because it's not picks it's predominately players involved in this transaction with one pick going each way. I'd rather have a draft pick and allow the scouting staff of my team choose what / who to use it on then be taking a player that was drafted by another organization to meet THEIR needs (this of course is in reference to later pics not top 15 or 20).

Askarov having better odds to make it to be elite? Based on what odds?

I don't disagree that it's a good gamble for SJ but the people saying Askarov is a sure thing are talking out of their backsides - there is zero guarantee he becomes a superstar goalie, hell there is no guarantee he even becomes an NHL starter - again see Sparks, Garrett.

No you can't say that because it's not picks it's predominately players involved in this transaction with one pick going each way. I'd rather have a draft pick and allow the scouting staff of my team choose what / who to use it on then be taking a player that was drafted by another organization to meet THEIR needs (this of course is in reference to later pics not top 15 or 20).

Askarov having better odds to make it to be elite? Based on what odds?

I don't disagree that it's a good gamble for SJ but the people saying Askarov is a sure thing are talking out of their backsides - there is zero guarantee he becomes a superstar goalie, hell there is no guarantee he even becomes an NHL starter - again see Sparks, Garrett.
- Cush29

Since 2000, it appears 13 goalies were drafted in the 1st round
Spencer knight
Oettinger
Samsonov
Vasi
Campbell
Chet pickard
Jonathan Bernier
Price
Montoya
MAF
Lehtonen
Leclaire
Dipietro

So you've got superstars, stars, decent goalies and crap. So yup...no guarantee...but thats the risk with most players drafted.

Also, even though Askarov was drafted to meet the needs of the preds, he seems to now meet the needs of the sharks - he was extended with a 2 year contract.

https://ontapsportsnet.co...st-round-of-the-nhl-draft

Meh, 11th overall pick from 2020.
They got a minor league goalie (5th rounder from 2018), a first round center (2023) and mid to late 1st round pick for a goalie who's played 3 NHL games and has some good AHL stats.
Considering Askarov wanted out, not bad I guess.
- Fakepartofme

That "first round center (2023)" was drafted 32nd overall and has already been traded twice.

As per Askarov, he's only 22 and has had solid numbers at every level of hockey he's played. He may not be a slam dunk to be a starter in the NHL, but he's definitely at the top of the list for goaltending prospects in the league.

Methinks Trotz could have gotten more.

Since 2000, it appears 13 goalies were drafted in the 1st round
Spencer knight
Oettinger
Samsonov
Vasi
Campbell
Chet pickard
Jonathan Bernier
Price
Montoya
MAF
Lehtonen
Leclaire
Dipietro

So you've got superstars, stars, decent goalies and crap. So yup...no guarantee...but thats the risk with most players drafted.

Also, even though Askarov was drafted to meet the needs of the preds, he seems to now meet the needs of the sharks - he was extended with a 2 year contract.

https://ontapsportsnet.co...st-round-of-the-nhl-draft
- Fakepartofme

Sharks were smart to lock him up for 2 years at a decent price IMO in case he does pan out to be great - I really don't think we will know for 4 years or more but as always I could be wrong.

it's muggy enough to sweat the balls off a brass monkey 🐒

maybe even an iron monkey

Since 2000, it appears 13 goalies were drafted in the 1st round
Spencer knight
Oettinger
Samsonov
Vasi
Campbell
Chet pickard
Jonathan Bernier
Price
Montoya
MAF
Lehtonen
Leclaire
Dipietro

So you've got superstars, stars, decent goalies and crap. So yup...no guarantee...but thats the risk with most players drafted.

Also, even though Askarov was drafted to meet the needs of the preds, he seems to now meet the needs of the sharks - he was extended with a 2 year contract.

https://ontapsportsnet.co...st-round-of-the-nhl-draft
- Fakepartofme

A lot more crap than there is superstars on this list.

Like... A lot...

draining it on the way to the driver's seat lmao
- Zezel

time bomb!👊

time bomb!👊
- Skalapy

5 minutes after chugging a mickey he'll be drinkin and thrivin

From the tweeter, lol

“"I’m 90% sure Mitch Marner is getting traded this off season” - Chris Johnson

“Nick Robertson won’t play for the Toronto Maple Leafs this season” - Chris Johnson

“You can make a lot of money in crypto” - Chris Johnson"
- Fakepartofme

but what did Chris Johnston report?

but what did Chris Johnston report?
- drexel

mostly on bitcoin