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furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 5:36 PM ET
maybe.

who would you recommend?

- anti-lame

Who I would recommend isn’t ready. More importantly who would you want to succeed the current head coach?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Sep 12 @ 5:43 PM ET
Who I would recommend isn’t ready. More importantly who would you want to succeed the current head coach?
- furio16


I’ve been calling for Shaun Clouston to get a look in the NHL for some time now.

I could see Mike Sullivan getting a shot as others have pointed out.

I think Lane Lambert could also be interesting for any team, not just the flyers

I get the frustration if lappy ends up coaching. but a lot of the time when folks complain about how the flyers are doing something they don’t offer any answers. Do you have one coach in mind?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 12 @ 5:51 PM ET
lol calm down
- ClaudeFather
Luchanko is gonna be the steal of this year's draft! Book it Dano!
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 12 @ 5:52 PM ET
The coach is probably a big wimp and always has been is my guess. All hard talk.
- furio16
Just like the Trumpster! Oh, with the exception of when he is talking about folks eating domesticated animals in Ohio!!
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 5:54 PM ET
I’ve been calling for Shaun Clouston to get a look in the NHL for some time now.

I could see Mike Sullivan getting a shot as others have pointed out.

I think Lane Lambert could also be interesting for any team, not just the flyers

I get the frustration if lappy ends up coaching. but a lot of the time when folks complain about how the flyers are doing something they don’t offer any answers. Do you have one coach in mind?

- anti-lame

No interest in then last 2.

Anthony Noreen I am very interested in seeing how he adapts to college and what if any success he has at the college level. Not all about wins/ losses in this case.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 12 @ 5:54 PM ET
Stopped by in Voorhees today to peek at rookie camp. Double M tried a Michigan to no avail. Jet looked pretty quick moving. Bonk and Zade Wisdom stood out some. Barkey was not there. Not too much flash going on. Kind of a low key affair, scheduled for 90 minutes, only about 12 players remained after the first hour. MM stayed on and signed some autographs when exiting. Ian Laperrierre ran the drills.
- Laceemup88
You really expect flash with Lappy running the drills?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 12 @ 5:54 PM ET
I’ve been calling for Shaun Clouston to get a look in the NHL for some time now.

I could see Mike Sullivan getting a shot as others have pointed out.

I think Lane Lambert could also be interesting for any team, not just the flyers

I get the frustration if lappy ends up coaching. but a lot of the time when folks complain about how the flyers are doing something they don’t offer any answers. Do you have one coach in mind?

- anti-lame


You are completely right. I would love to learn from the more knowledgeable who could be a better coach at the farm level, with examples/reasoning to substantiate the point.

Here is a simple exercise you never see done. Each draft pick of each club has an expected productivity based on NHL averages for the draft position. Which clubs tend to beat that expected production by the most? Here I would use median instead of average because of Kucherov type outliers swaying the average.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 5:58 PM ET
You are completely right. I would love to learn from the more knowledgeable who could be a better coach at the farm level, with examples/reasoning to substantiate the point.

Here is a simple exercise you never see done. Each draft pick of each club has an expected productivity based on NHL averages for the draft position. Which clubs tend to beat that expected production by the most? Here I would use median instead of average because of Kucherov type outliers swaying the average.

- PT21

I would take, insert name, of any young up and coming coach over Lappy. Lappy offers nothing. Just look at his track record to date.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 12 @ 6:40 PM ET
I would take, insert name, of any young up and coming coach over Lappy. Lappy offers nothing. Just look at his track record to date.
- furio16



What talent has lappy had to work with? I don't want him as a flyers coach.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Sep 12 @ 6:41 PM ET
I would take, insert name, of any young up and coming coach over Lappy. Lappy offers nothing. Just look at his track record to date.
- furio16


I’m not necessarily in disagreement but the “anybody but what we have” answer doesn’t have much substance to it and comes across as whining. not necessarily from you or this post but it’s easy to complain and not offer any suggestions to the discussion.

I think lane got a raw deal in New York
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Sep 12 @ 7:26 PM ET
What Lappy can offer is invaluable. Those drills must be top notch and original.
- furio16


He can teach them to use the helmet instead of his face to block a shot - they may not reap the rewards that he did but it may save their face


so there is that
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 12 @ 7:48 PM ET
Filthy

https://x.com/travieballi.../1834254750692377015?s=19

- daddytc

jett can't score he's supposed to be a bust according to some here
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Sep 12 @ 8:02 PM ET
He can teach them to use the helmet instead of his face to block a shot - they may not reap the rewards that he did but it may save their face


so there is that

- corduroy


Lol
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 12 @ 8:14 PM ET
I would take, insert name, of any young up and coming coach over Lappy. Lappy offers nothing. Just look at his track record to date.
- furio16


Ah yeah: the 'shake it up' school of thought.

I don't necessarily disagree, but would need to see some factual evidence that a random draw of coaches would surpass what Lappy has done, esp given the averagish talent that he has been given.

Often, when people say 'shake it up', they discount the possible downside.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Sep 12 @ 8:20 PM ET
He can teach them to use the helmet instead of his face to block a shot - they may not reap the rewards that he did but it may save their face


so there is that

- corduroy


“If we pull your string do you say other things?”

its like my safe word in bed: “booooring”

just low effort garbage
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 8:30 PM ET
I’m not necessarily in disagreement but the “anybody but what we have” answer doesn’t have much substance to it and comes across as whining. not necessarily from you or this post but it’s easy to complain and not offer any suggestions to the discussion.

I think lane got a raw deal in New York

- anti-lame

It does have substance as I am saying I would prefer almost anyone over him. I can name names but what is the point.

What has he done that you can say yeah I want him to continue to be my AHL coach in charge of my future players.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 8:31 PM ET
What talent has lappy had to work with? I don't want him as a flyers coach.
- WhiskeyMan

Numerous high draft picks outside the first round.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 8:32 PM ET
Ah yeah: the 'shake it up' school of thought.

I don't necessarily disagree, but would need to see some factual evidence that a random draw of coaches would surpass what Lappy has done, esp given the averagish talent that he has been given.

Often, when people say 'shake it up', they discount the possible downside.

- PT21

Doesn’t matter if they surpass him as that isn’t the point.

What is the downside?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Sep 12 @ 8:35 PM ET
Doesn’t matter if they surpass him as that isn’t the point.

What is the downside?

- furio16


picking someone worse because you’ve never heard of them but they’re “different”?

Is it his record you don’t like? His coaching style? His systems? Because he’s a former flyer? Is there someone out there who’s available that would be better?

maybe he’s just a good company man and that doesn’t sit well with you either? again I’m not even a huge fan of him either but change for the sake of change without a plan is just as foolish.

Like it or not, I think a lot of teams would like a lappy in their coaching system.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 8:48 PM ET
picking someone worse because you’ve never heard of them but they’re “different”?

Is it his record you don’t like? His coaching style? His systems? Because he’s a former flyer? Is there someone out there who’s available that would be better?

maybe he’s just a good company man and that doesn’t sit well with you either? again I’m not even a huge fan of him either but change for the sake of change without a plan is just as foolish.

Like it or not, I think a lot of teams would like a lappy in their coaching system.

- anti-lame

What has he accomplished as a coach of your top developmental team?

Not even on the same page as the NHL team.

Do you ever watch the Phantom?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Sep 12 @ 8:54 PM ET
What has he accomplished as a coach of your top developmental team?

Not even on the same page as the NHL team.

Do you ever watch the Phantom?

- furio16


I think for the org he offers consistency, not necessarily with what torts is doing but what is expected of their players. You’re not gonna tell another coach how to coach or what systems to implement. You can commiserate and have equal values and shared beliefs but lappy isn’t in it for any other reason than to push his coaching style and resume forward. He has his own career path and his own philosophies on how to run a team.

In a perfect world your AHL team is doing exactly what your nhl team is doing per the playbook - but that’s never the case, is it? I think what’s more valuable is to teach these kids to be coachable. Am I for replacing him? I’m not against it - but you better have a good plan in place. If the nhl front office feels like they have a good synergy with lappy and everyone’s on the same page overall that’s all they can ask for.

If lappy has “ruined” any players coming through him I’d love to hear the list. The dude is a great hockey mind who understands how to treat and get through to players. If you want a revolving carousel of coaches in the AHL then have at it but that screams dysfunction more than letting him do his job
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Sep 12 @ 8:57 PM ET
I think for the org he offers consistency, not necessarily with what torts is doing but what is expected of their players. You’re not gonna tell another coach how to coach or what systems to implement. You can commiserate and have equal values and shared beliefs but lappy isn’t in it for any other reason than to push his coaching style and resume forward. He has his own career path and his own philosophies on how to run a team.

In a perfect world your AHL team is doing exactly what your nhl team is doing per the playbook - but that’s never the case, is it? I think what’s more valuable is to teach these kids to be coachable. Am I for replacing him? I’m not against it - but you better have a good plan in place. If the nhl front office feels like they have a good synergy with lappy and everyone’s on the same page overall that’s all they can ask for.

If lappy has “ruined” any players coming through him I’d love to hear the list. The dude is a great hockey mind who understands how to treat and get through to players. If you want a revolving carousel of coaches in the AHL then have at it but that screams dysfunction more than letting him do his job

- anti-lame

Again what has he accomplished?
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Sep 12 @ 8:57 PM ET
What has he accomplished as a coach of your top developmental team?

Not even on the same page as the NHL team.

Do you ever watch the Phantom?

- furio16


I’m not exactly a fan of Lappy. I’ve been wanting him gone for the last two years. The flyers should be looking to groom a potential head coach.
I’ve watched the phantoms. They are blah. Just kind of mediocre.
Granted some of that may be lack of top talent but I also don’t think he gets the most out of his players.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Sep 12 @ 9:04 PM ET
I’m not exactly a fan of Lappy. I’ve been wanting him gone for the last two years. The flyers should be looking to groom a potential head coach.
I’ve watched the phantoms. They are blah. Just kind of mediocre.
Granted some of that may be lack of top talent but I also don’t think he gets the most out of his players.

- bird_dog_pa
I agree with this sentiment. I only watched a few Phantoms games last year, so I could be mistaken based on that, but man did they look listless and lifeless in the games that I watched.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:33 PM ET
jett can't score he's supposed to be a bust according to some here
- 2Real


OMG he did that in a scrimmage....holy balls superstar!!!!
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