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Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Monday @ 12:45 AM ET
Eventually a future LTIR case. Even Bill is pessimistic.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Future? You mean recent lmao and current
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Monday @ 6:54 AM ET
Don't feel so bad about the Calgary loss after seeing that they crushed Edmonton.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Monday @ 6:56 AM ET
Don't feel so bad about the Calgary loss after seeing that they crushed Edmonton.
- WhiskeyMan


I hope Edmonton continues to struggle when we roll in to play them. That’d be a huge two points vs a contender
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Monday @ 7:34 AM ET
I hope Edmonton continues to struggle when we roll in to play them. That’d be a huge two points vs a contender
- Hextall271


McJesus is off to a slow start again.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Monday @ 7:50 AM ET
McJesus is off to a slow start again.
- WhiskeyMan

They don’t care. They’ll flip the switch in December and rip off 15 in a row like last year.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Monday @ 8:03 AM ET
This team will never learn.

1) 1st lockout

2) now new current new nhl.

3) they refuse to adapt. No one cares about their youth. Outside of mm they have no elite talent. And these young decent to good players need to be signed and paid. Some already are starting to.

With each longer term mid player extension and max term for non elite turning 30 player (coots/tk) they will never have true cap space to compete for cup.

They are going to be a middling team for the next decade

- Stayin alive
The Coots signing was brutal and I said it the day that they did it, but that was Chuckles. Coots was never a good skater and that only gets worse as players age. Combine that with nagging injuries and a couple of major injuries , and he looks cooked with 5 years to go on that contract. I don't have as much of a problem with the TK signing cause he's a little younger and can skate well. His contract shouldn't age as bad as Coots' contract, but who knows. I agree that they need to find ways to add elite talent. Perhaps Luchanko was a sneaky good pick...perhaps he wasn't. If Luchanko and Coots did a lap around the ice Jett would probably lap him. Yikes!
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Monday @ 8:13 AM ET
Ersson good. Fedotov not so much. He has a lot to work on. Michkov looks good. Powerplay is better thus far. I feel like Edmonton will be fired up on Tuesday. Ersson better be ready.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Monday @ 8:17 AM ET
The Coots signing was brutal and I said it the day that they did it, but that was Chuckles. Coots was never a good skater and that only gets worse as players age. Combine that with nagging injuries and a couple of major injuries , and he looks cooked with 5 years to go on that contract. I don't have as much of a problem with the TK signing cause he's a little younger and can skate well. His contract shouldn't age as bad as Coots' contract, but who knows. I agree that they need to find ways to add elite talent. Perhaps Luchanko was a sneaky good pick...perhaps he wasn't. If Luchanko and Coots did a lap around the ice Jett would probably lap him. Yikes!
- Phillywhiteout


Center depth might be weaker than the defensive depth. The winger depth is good. Farabee and Brink on the "3rd" line is a good thing. I think we are ok at goalie. If Ersson proves to be a legit NHL starter than they could be really good in goal. Especially with some intriguing prospects in the pipeline.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Monday @ 8:23 AM ET
Center depth might be weaker than the defensive depth. The winger depth is good. Farabee and Brink on the "3rd" line is a good thing. I think we are ok at goalie. If Ersson proves to be a legit NHL starter than they could be really good in goal. Especially with some intriguing prospects in the pipeline.
- mickel25
Yeah, the 19 year old Russian (goalie) is lighting things up over in the KHL although I think he is under contract until 2027 (we know how that can go though). This team desperately needs a true #1 elite center and true #1 elite defender, and that is just the start. It's funny, I don't think Anaheim is playing Cutter at center. He has 0 points and 2 hits along with 3 shots thus far, but he has only taken one faceoff.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Monday @ 8:25 AM ET
Ersson good. Fedotov not so much. He has a lot to work on. Michkov looks good. Powerplay is better thus far. I feel like Edmonton will be fired up on Tuesday. Ersson better be ready.
- mickel25
I didn't see the game Saturday, but it sounds like Fedotov looked similar to how he looked at the end of last season and that ain't good. An .839 save pct. isn't gonna get it done. This team probably needs at least a .900 save pct. every night to have a chance.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Monday @ 8:30 AM ET
I didn't see the game Saturday, but it sounds like Fedotov looked similar to how he looked at the end of last season and that ain't good. An .839 save pct. isn't gonna get it done. This team probably needs at least a .900 save pct. every night to have a chance.
- Phillywhiteout


Yeah his positioning is atrocious. He has a lot of things to work on. I think he got away with just being big so far in his career. That won't cut it in the NHL.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Monday @ 8:31 AM ET
I didn't see the game Saturday, but it sounds like Fedotov looked similar to how he looked at the end of last season and that ain't good. An .839 save pct. isn't gonna get it done. This team probably needs at least a .900 save pct. every night to have a chance.
- Phillywhiteout

My concern with Fedotov is for a big 6'7" guy, he too often does not square his big frame to the shooters and thus there is space over his shoulders. I would think if anything teams might have more luck going lower on him but even in preseason players have been shooting high on him. I agree also with MJL on the flopping, a goalie on his size should be on his feet or knees 99.9% of the time and again being square to the puck at all times.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Monday @ 8:54 AM ET
Ersson good. Fedotov not so much. He has a lot to work on. Michkov looks good. Powerplay is better thus far. I feel like Edmonton will be fired up on Tuesday. Ersson better be ready.
- mickel25

I’d really like to see Michkov get leaned on when used on the power play. Everyone knows the PP filtered through Giroux on the PP. Forsberg much the same on the right half wall. I know it’s too early to ask but on the PP over time, I think everyone is gonna want the puck on Michkov’s stick.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Monday @ 8:57 AM ET
I’d really like to see Michkov get leaned on when used on the power play. Everyone knows the PP filtered through Giroux on the PP. Forsberg much the same on the right half wall. I know it’s too early to ask but on the PP over time, I think everyone is gonna want the puck on Michkov’s stick.
- roenick97


I agree 100%. His vision and creativity are next level. It will only get better the more he plays.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Monday @ 8:57 AM ET
My concern with Fedotov is for a big 6'7" guy, he too often does not square his big frame to the shooters and thus there is space over his shoulders. I would think if anything teams might have more luck going lower on him but even in preseason players have been shooting high on him. I agree also with MJL on the flopping, a goalie on his size should be on his feet or knees 99.9% of the time and again being square to the puck at all times.
- jd250

Saturday was unbelievable. Fedotov Is huge and yet Calgary kept finding ways to put the puck through/past him. Like, does he keep getting on his knees to have a fair height advantage to everyone else on the ice? It was ridiculous.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Monday @ 9:43 AM ET
Third youngest team in the NHL with 14 skaters that are 25 or younger. They currently have 6 picks in the upcoming draft, and could add more between now and then. Sure sounds like a rebuild to me. The Pack is back!! Congrats to the Beagles for BARELY beating a cupcake at home today.
- Phillywhiteout

plus 15 former 1st rd picks. the future is looking great. 15. that is what you call an organization doing a great job of collecting talent.

only a matter of time before they win a cup.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Monday @ 9:44 AM ET
Is Giroux available? Maybe DB can pick up Giroux to play center for a bag of pucks. Ottawa won’t give him away obviously but he has to be better than the slop we have at center.
I don’t know if the money works. Just a conversation thought.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Monday @ 9:45 AM ET
Saturday was unbelievable. Fedotov Is huge and yet Calgary kept finding ways to put the puck through/past him. Like, does he keep getting on his knees to have a fair height advantage to everyone else on the ice? It was ridiculous.
- roenick97


https://www.spotrac.com/n...position/g/sort/cap_total

30th highest paid goalie in the league, he's being paid as a #1. Ersson is 46th.

The Flyers desperately wanted to make the playoffs last year so they caved to Feds demands. He was bad during the playoff push and hasn't started well this year but the sample size is still small.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Monday @ 9:53 AM ET
Is Giroux available? Maybe DB can pick up Giroux to play center for a bag of pucks. Ottawa won’t give him away obviously but he has to be better than the slop we have at center.
I don’t know if the money works. Just a conversation thought.

- bird_dog_pa


Claude's not really playing much C these days.

Love to see him retire back here tho.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Monday @ 9:54 AM ET
https://www.spotrac.com/n...position/g/sort/cap_total

30th highest paid goalie in the league, he's being paid as a #1. Ersson is 46th.

The Flyers desperately wanted to make the playoffs last year so they caved to Feds demands. He was bad during the playoff push and hasn't started well this year but the sample size is still small.

- Flyers_01


We all know his AAV has nothing to do with performance. Feds had a lot of leverage. Can't blame the guy for cashing in.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Monday @ 9:59 AM ET
We all know his AAV has nothing to do with performance. Feds had a lot of leverage. Can't blame the guy for cashing in.
- Tomahawk

Leverage or not, seems like the Flyers caved. Not sure any other team is giving him that contract.

It is a short term deal so won't kill them at the end of the day.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Monday @ 9:59 AM ET
The Coots signing was brutal and I said it the day that they did it, but that was Chuckles. Coots was never a good skater and that only gets worse as players age. Combine that with nagging injuries and a couple of major injuries , and he looks cooked with 5 years to go on that contract. I don't have as much of a problem with the TK signing cause he's a little younger and can skate well. His contract shouldn't age as bad as Coots' contract, but who knows. I agree that they need to find ways to add elite talent. Perhaps Luchanko was a sneaky good pick...perhaps he wasn't. If Luchanko and Coots did a lap around the ice Jett would probably lap him. Yikes!
- Phillywhiteout


not saying they should have went 8 years with TK, but watching the first 2 games, I can see a benefit of having TK around for MM, real talent that initially MM can look up to and surpass as he grows and gets older.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Monday @ 10:02 AM ET
Saturday was unbelievable. Fedotov Is huge and yet Calgary kept finding ways to put the puck through/past him. Like, does he keep getting on his knees to have a fair height advantage to everyone else on the ice? It was ridiculous.
- roenick97


Thats the thing. Players in the NHL are extremely skilled even 4th liners. Being big can get you through most leagues but not the NHL. They tried putting a Sumo wrestler in net and the same results. NHL players could Snipe onhim easily. Parros was one of the players

Fedotov does not look positionally sound, he also doesnt have the technique you see from Ersson or Kolosov. He really looks like a guy whos gotten by on just being big and unforunately thats not going to work. Maybe he's still adjusting, hes played what 4 Regular season games games in his career? Im willing to give him some more time to see if he figures it out but Im not optimistic.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Monday @ 10:03 AM ET
not saying they should have went 8 years with TK, but watching the first 2 games, I can see a benefit of having TK around for MM, real talent that initially MM can look up to and surpass as he grows and gets older.
- wcorvette

they had to go 8 years. why on earth would tk take any less.

he better surpass tk if not then they in real trouble.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Monday @ 10:27 AM ET
Fedotov had all the leverage. If he signed for another team and turns into the next Bob, the Flyers would be rightfully skewered. How could a rebuilding team let a goalie prospect go without a stud in net already? No doubt it is an overpay. The Flyers hedged their bet and met his demands. I have a feeling if Fedotov ever gets put on waivers and goes unclaimed, he goes back to the KHL and not the AHL. Basically, some type of mutual termination. Just my hunch.
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