good GM's that want a plyer find a way. Why is it no hard to fathom he had no value at that tiime?
- hello it's me 2050

My you are stubborn.

My you are stubborn.
- Tomahawk

my why you can't accept he had no value. see what he ended up being traded for.

good GM's that want a plyer find a way. Why is it no hard to fathom he had no value at that tiime?
- hello it's me 2050

Other side of that coin is Fletcher found a way to get his guy. Hence this discussion.

For the record I am confident GHost had value at 50% retained. Flyers needed his whole salary gone though. No one wanted him at full price.

my why you can't accept he had no value. see what he ended up being traded for.
- hello it's me 2050

So using this argument you would have to agree that Ristolainen had great value. You would also have to agree that DeAngelo had value when you look at what it cost to get him.

So using this argument you would have to agree that Ristolainen had great value. You would also have to agree that DeAngelo had value when you look at what it cost to get him.
- MBFlyerfan

do you disagree those 2 had value?

do you disagree those 2 had value?
- hello it's me 2050

Chuck Fletcher sure loved them. That should really tell you all you need to know.

He just signed a 3-year deal...
- Tomahawk

I know but he does not have a NMD or a NTC. He can easily be moved. If he sticks with Carolina I will say he has found a home.

do you disagree those 2 had value?
- hello it's me 2050

Not nearly the value they were traded for. As in, they were WAY overvalued compared to what was given up to get them. But using your argument, they obviously were worth that value because that is what they were traded for.

He was -11at ES. His ES GF% was not much different than Detroit's other top dmen, apart from Maatta.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Compare that to Risto who was -6 because he only played 31 games, but his ES GF% was similar to Sanheim and York who played a ton of minutes and got the hardest matchups all season.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL
- Feanor

Damn Drysdale was bad. His GF% was the worst by a country mile, he made EJ look good. What was the point of having him play through an injury again?

I feel like peoples expectations for players are too high. EJ is a 7th D. There is a reason he is not a Top 6 Defender on a NHL Team. The 7th D is never a skilled Defender, if that was the case, they would be higher up in the roster on the Flyers or another team. The 7th D is essentially a bandaid. No team had a great 7th D that steps in and plays great. EJ is is the 7th D because he is a compentent defensman and a Vet. Someone they can afford to sit for long stretches and not wory about wasting potential.

Andrae should be in the lineup. Im with you on Zamula. Sit him or EJ. Either is fine with me. If you arent going to play him, send him down. Based on comments from Briere, he seems high on Andrae so I dont see why they are wasting time with his development by just sitting him
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If you follow the conversation, it's not about expectations for Johnson. It's about some saying Johnson has been okay and that the Flyers need his experience so they can't scratch him and play Andrae against Edmonton. Appreciate the explanation though on what a 7th defenseman is.

Not nearly the value they were traded for. As in, they were WAY overvalued compared to what was given up to get them. But using your argument, they obviously were worth that value because that is what they were traded for.
- MBFlyerfan

a player's value is what the buyer is willing to pay is it not?

end of the day those 2 had value while ghost at that time did not. that is a fact.

he is on pace for 0 goals this season
- corduroy

I quite nearly choked to death on some pasta while reading that xD

good GM's that want a plyer find a way. Why is it no hard to fathom he had no value at that tiime?
- hello it's me 2050

Flyers were dealing from a position of weakness. Teams knew they wanted to shed cap and took advantage of that. Ghost was also not playing well. Teams were likely not willing to take the chance on him. He went to ARI and had some success there so that increased his value. That being said DET didnt have that much success with him. He produced on the PP but they still failed to make the playoffs. Time will tell with what happens with CAR. Dont really see him working out much different than DeAngelo. Cant really fathom why Yzerman would choose Gus over Ghost. Not learning from our Mistakes.

Yeah, tell me about it! The 10 p.m. start means I get done with Postgame 5 for the Flyers site sometime around 1:30 a.m. and the HockeyBuzz version (which I always make a bit different than Postgame 5) around 2:15.

Tomorrow after I wake up, I'll watch the third period of Stars-Sharks game (the 8 PM EDT start time will enable me to catch the first two periods) and get up a Stars blog.

This past Saturday, I alternated between Phantoms-Hartford and Stars-Islanders streams then switched to Flyers-Flames at 10. So I did Flyers-Canucks Postgame 5 and HB wrapup, Flyers-Flames preview, Flyers PG5/HB, Phantoms HB wrap, Stars wrap and preview vs. Seattle in just over 24 hours.

Ate by the computer, took a shower and a cat nap and was otherwise writing or watching game streams/TV from Friday night (Flyers-Canucks) to Sunday night (end of Stars 2-0 win over Seattle).

Won't lie: We're a week into the season and I'm already exhausted. 10 PM games are the pits. Thankfully the Flyers don't have any more of those until the California trip right after Christmas.
- bmeltzer

We’re lucky to have you, Bill. One of the best hockey guys!

I quite nearly choked to death on some pasta while reading that xD
- LatentC

Tippet like most goal scorers is streaky. He'll get his goals.

Flyers were dealing from a position of weakness. Teams knew they wanted to shed cap and took advantage of that. Ghost was also not playing well. Teams were likely not willing to take the chance on him. He went to ARI and had some success there so that increased his value. That being said DET didnt have that much success with him. He produced on the PP but they still failed to make the playoffs. Time will tell with what happens with CAR. Dont really see him working out much different than DeAngelo. Cant really fathom why Yzerman would choose Gus over Ghost. Not learning from our Mistakes.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Cheaper cap hit.

Why? I thought Andrae played well enough to make the team outright. He’s had his seasoning, and looks to have improved. EJ has been just ok….no reason not to play Andrae…it was dumb to play an old EJ back to back nights when Andrae was there in Calgary.
- landros 2

I agree that the Flyers should not have dressed EJ back to back nights in Calgary, however the reason I read was that Andrae did not arrive in time to be able to play.

Damn Drysdale was bad. His GF% was the worst by a country mile, he made EJ look good. What was the point of having him play through an injury again?
- Flyers_01

Drysdale is a work in progress. He isnt going to improve or develop over night. He needs to play and he needs to learn how to be effective defensively. Flyers arent just going to flip a switch and the guy is top defender, if he ever reaches his ceiling at all.

We are still likely 3-4 seasons away from seeing what Drysdale is. He is just 22 years old. Patience is needed with prospects. Drysdale is no Makar. He isnt just going to enter the league and be elite immediately.

A blunder like refusing further questions at a town hall and then swaying on the spot for 30 minutes.
- Feanor

He stopped the town hall during two medical emergencies so people could get help. Way to parrot misinformation.

We all saw that last season. An archaic Biden like blunder to bring him back.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

How does this always end in politics?

Drysdale is a work in progress. He isnt going to improve or develop over night. He needs to play and he needs to learn how to be effective defensively. Flyers arent just going to flip a switch and the guy is top defender, if he ever reaches his ceiling at all.

We are still likely 3-4 seasons away from seeing what Drysdale is. He is just 22 years old. Patience is needed with prospects. Drysdale is no Makar. He isnt just going to enter the league and be elite immediately.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I agree that patience is needed and he has missed a lot of time with injury. However, he is not a rookie. He has played 149 NHL games which isn't a ton but enough to be half competent out there. It's only 2 games but he has been a complete mess in those two games. Again, you're out of context. Nobody is expecting him to be an instant top defenseman. You seem to have repeated issues in reading the board. I think most would like to see some potential. Which he hasn't shown in the first 2 games. He has a bullseye on him due to the Gauthier trade.

Drysdale is a work in progress. He isnt going to improve or develop over night. He needs to play and he needs to learn how to be effective defensively. Flyers arent just going to flip a switch and the guy is top defender, if he ever reaches his ceiling at all.

We are still likely 3-4 seasons away from seeing what Drysdale is. He is just 22 years old. Patience is needed with prospects. Drysdale is no Makar. He isnt just going to enter the league and be elite immediately.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He didn't just enter the league, he's been here for 4 years. He's missed significant time but he has played 149 games.

I'm not asking that he be a finished product but he should be better than he is. If not for the significant capital used to acquire him, he'd probably be in the pressbox.

I don't feel he's developed at all since the Flyers acquired him last January.

He didn't just enter the league, he's been here for 4 years. He's missed significant time but he has played 149 games.

I'm not asking that he be a finished product but he should be better than he is. If not for the significant capital used to acquire him, he'd probably be in the pressbox.

I don't feel he's developed at all since the Flyers acquired him last January.


- Flyers_01

looking forward to that 1st healthy scratch and the torts dog house.

looking forward to that 1st healthy scratch and the torts dog house.
- hello it's me 2050

Get EJ the hell out of the lineup

Risto out now too?