We all demand prospects and picks be traded for NHL help, but when Savoie is traded for a 3rd line center rather than McDavid and a 2nd round pick is used for 4th liner Beck (rather than drafting Ramus Asplund 2.0), everyone b!tches about trading such great assets for crap players. I guess we should have offered Zemgus 5 mil to play 4th line and kept that 2nd pick that we loss in the Beck trade (then we be a much better team than we are now). I'm not sure why we think our crap is so valuable that other teams should be giving us their best players for it?
- BuffaloHerd

Oilers Twitter was hilarious after we made the trade.

Some had savoie on mcdavids wing.
Some thought savoie was already an elite player.

Kinda funny stuff. McLeod had the right analytic numbers and looked good on paper. He’s been good for what he does

Mangiapane was traded for a 2nd rounder...

There are trades every year where good players are acquired for picks or prospects. The fact that we can't seem to do that with any consistency is the puzzling part.

John Marino for (2) 2nds, 5th going along with him
Zucker was just traded for a 6th
Toffoli for a 2nd and 3rd
Kuznetsov for a 3rd
Wennberg for a 2nd and 4th
Tarasenko for a 3rd and 4th
Ross Colton for a 2nd
Reilly Smith for a 3rd


These guys are all significantly more impactful than Beck will ever be. Not trying to be an ass, but it's going too far to say a 2nd rounder can't get a good player.
- QuinnFan

I'm not saying it was a good trade, just that this is far from being the worst thing that this Org has done. To be honest, on the list of worst things the sabres have done, its pretty far down (as we've have drafted worst players with our 2nd picks). I guess its just one of the more recent things, so we are just gonna treat it as being more significant than it is.

Calling Levi a Fringe backup goaltender is not trolling? Clown trolls with the best of them here. He just hides it better
- ZiggyBuff

I watched the CBus game

Oilers Twitter was hilarious after we made the trade.

Some had savoie on mcdavids wing.
Some thought savoie was already an elite player.

Kinda funny stuff. McLeod had the right analytic numbers and looked good on paper. He’s been good for what he does
- Sabretooth9

I hope McLeod turns into a poor mans Cirelli

he is off to a good start

Oilers Twitter was hilarious after we made the trade.

Some had savoie on mcdavids wing.
Some thought savoie was already an elite player.

Kinda funny stuff. McLeod had the right analytic numbers and looked good on paper. He’s been good for what he does
- Sabretooth9

McLeod has looked excellent.

What an excellent trade. The trade everyone was calling for:

Floundering prospect for an nhl vet 3c with speed and upside.

Really not sure how many gms could pull off such a good trade? Maybe 4 other guys.

McLeod has looked excellent.

What an excellent trade. The trade everyone was calling for:

Floundering prospect for an nhl vet 3c with speed and upside.

Really not sure how many gms could pull off such a good trade? Maybe 4 other guys.
- Boss34

Think it a top 3 GM Move

McLeod has looked excellent.

What an excellent trade. The trade everyone was calling for:

Floundering prospect for an nhl vet 3c with speed and upside.

Really not sure how many gms could pull off such a good trade? Maybe 4 other guys.
- Boss34

I don't mind this since it isn't about Zemgus Garglingsons

McLeod has looked excellent.

What an excellent trade. The trade everyone was calling for:

Floundering prospect for an nhl vet 3c with speed and upside.

Really not sure how many gms could pull off such a good trade? Maybe 4 other guys.
- Boss34

The trade was admitting multiple failures in their plan, maybe there's some merit in admitting your mistakes, learning, and moving on.

Long term, getting consistently crushed by bad asset management isn't going to work.

Columbus this year will be playing for Johnny. They’re gonna give a ton of problems. Just crushed the Maple Leafs last night. Our Fla friend will attest. They could make the playoffs
- SDSabre

This was pregame ceremony at CBJ home opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keRH7vStmCg
(NSFW, or anywhere else you’d rather not be seen with tears on your cheeks)
The ceremony ended with a recorded message from Johnny’s wife played over the jumbotron, she (basically) told them not to be sad, but to go out and play the game which Johnny loved so much.
To say they are playing with inspiration right now is an understatement.
They coulda woulda shoulda beat FL that night, but Knight stood on his head as he bounced back from a poopty game in Buffalo.
The Sabres were the BJs next game.....

The trade was admitting multiple failures in their plan, maybe there's some merit in admitting your mistakes, learning, and moving on.

Long term, getting consistently crushed by bad asset management isn't going to work.
- Lunaion

Shall we just say "hasn't worked" based on the last 13 years.

And what about the other years?
- ieetbred

They’re gone... only the scars remain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij99dud8-0A

Oilers Twitter was hilarious after we made the trade.

Some had savoie on mcdavids wing.
Some thought savoie was already an elite player.

Kinda funny stuff. McLeod had the right analytic numbers and looked good on paper. He’s been good for what he does
- Sabretooth9

I learned last June how “special” many Oilers fans truly are

The trade was admitting multiple failures in their plan, maybe there's some merit in admitting your mistakes, learning, and moving on.

Long term, getting consistently crushed by bad asset management isn't going to work.
- Lunaion

Let’s be honest about it though, the trade looks excellent thru the first 8 games of the season.

Our gm has probably learned on the job and it’s human to learn from your failures .

Shall we just say "hasn't worked" based on the last 13 years.
- BuffaloHerd

Should we include 8 years out of 13 years , where the current gm had nothing to do with the losing?

Why does everyone pin Malenstyn against simply using the pick?

So many players traded for that with far more impact than him

Glad he hit someone and the crowd cheered tho
- ieetbred

Because it’s the easiest and sloppiest way to ensure no one is held accountable. Yes the 43 prospect isn’t in the NHL. But wherever they are playing, they are probably making more of an impact than Beck is at 8 min a night. He’s the this years version of John Scott, minus the All-Star game MVP

I'm not saying it was a good trade, just that this is far from being the worst thing that this Org has done. To be honest, on the list of worst things the sabres have done, its pretty far down (as we've have drafted worst players with our 2nd picks). I guess its just one of the more recent things, so we are just gonna treat it as being more significant than it is.


- BuffaloHerd

Good, me either

Let’s be honest about it though, the trade looks excellent thru the first 8 games of the season.

Our gm has probably learned on the job and it’s human to learn from your failures .
- Boss34

That's a step too far. The player looks good. The trade and draft selection both look bad. It's also the first of several big questions.

What's the plan for Helenius? Projected 3C, close to NHL ready. Another big asset that suddenly makes little sense. Where does Ostlund project next year? How many recent 1st's don't project onto this team?

If the new philosophy is a defensive 3rd line + checking 4th line and McLeod is the 3C now and in the future, suddenly your last 4 drafts are all suspect.

Should we include 8 years out of 13 years , where the current gm had nothing to do with the losing?
- Boss34

It had nothing to do with a particular GM. The original comment was:
"Long term, getting consistently crushed by bad asset management isn't going to work."

I think we all call say the Sabres were not great at asset management for the past 13 years.

you move off of a top 10 lottery pick, that should result in a player on the top half of your roster IMO

beck is worth a 5th but that is for another day
- homiedclown

McLeod is Top 6.

I agree, and we don't need picks. The question was asked because some feel a 2nd round pick should get us a significantly better player than Beck, which I do not believe is true. Thanks for confirming that I'm not out of my mind (at least on this point).
- BuffaloHerd

Few ways you can look at it. You can get Jason Robertson or JJ Peterka. Or you can get Eric Cornel and Vaclav Karabacek.

https://thehockeywriters....rates-of-nhl-draft-picks/

2nd round pick playing 100 NHL games, 40% chance.
2nd round pick scoring 100+ points, 21% chance.

Guys like Peterka and Robertson who will score more than 300 points in their careers? Under 10%

If you're a playoff team, or a wannabe playoff team, you part with those picks to make you better. Our fourth line has made us better. Over/underpayment is a secondary argument.

If we could figure out this second line, we might be a legit team

Nearly 3 hits per game. So we got that going for us.
- DirtyDan

I'm not defending the play of Beck.

Rather, what was the target and objective of the trade.
He was brought in for being tough to play against in a physical manner. That's it.. to make it tougher to play against the roster. Not for anything else.
Could they have got him for a 3rd or a 4th?
Who fvcking cares, those prospects take 3-4 years down the road.

Because it’s the easiest and sloppiest way to ensure no one is held accountable. Yes the 43 prospect isn’t in the NHL. But wherever they are playing, they are probably making more of an impact than Beck is at 8 min a night. He’s the this years version of John Scott, minus the All-Star game MVP
- SDSabre

I believe in 2017 Minn. traded us a 2nd rd pick for Chris Steward (I believe that pick was UPL), so it does happen. In the long run the Eichel and Reinhart trades are way more damaging than a 2nd for Beck.

Few ways you can look at it. You can get Jason Robertson or JJ Peterka. Or you can get Eric Cornel and Vaclav Karabacek.

https://thehockeywriters....rates-of-nhl-draft-picks/

2nd round pick playing 100 NHL games, 40% chance.
2nd round pick scoring 100+ points, 21% chance.

Guys like Peterka and Robertson who will score more than 300 points in their careers? Under 10%

If you're a playoff team, or a wannabe playoff team, you part with those picks to make you better. Our fourth line has made us better. Over/underpayment is a secondary argument.
- TheSabresTaco

Wasn't the comment about the trade value of a 2nd, with plenty of free cap space behind it?

Is Malenstyn better than Lafferty/NAK (dime a dozen UFA's)?

That's a step too far. The player looks good. The trade and draft selection both look bad. It's also the first of several big questions.

What's the plan for Helenius? Projected 3C, close to NHL ready. Another big asset that suddenly makes little sense. Where does Ostlund project next year? How many recent 1st's don't project onto this team?

If the new philosophy is a defensive 3rd line + checking 4th line and McLeod is the 3C now and in the future, suddenly your last 4 drafts are all suspect.
- Lunaion

Hoping one of them can take cozens spot at 2C.