Interesting...


@PuckLuckJay
Sabres lines at practice:

Peterka - Thompson - Tuch
Zucker - Cozens - Quinn
Greenway - McLeod - Aube-Kubel
Malenstyn - Krebs - Lafferty



Benson is not on the ice today
- Lunaion

Gotta bring in a Competent RD that can play in the Top 4, horrible most have been saying it for atleast 4 years. And it would help Dahlin and Power develop.
- Buff36

Have needed that since Dahlin was drafted… the org clearly knows more than the fans.

Hyde is gonna be a Buffalo bill again come November
- Boss34

So free Knox cap for garret?

I do, NAK has no business on the McLeod line. Especially while they're streaking.

Take out the winger who's looked like he belongs the most so far on the second line.

And Lafferty still plays even though he is legit the worst player they have. 40% CF 40% Fenwick. Worse relatives of any forward. Terrible on the dot. 0pts. Does he do anything well?
- DirtyDan

Isn't Kulich 2nd worst by FF and CF?

For that matter, Krebs and Malenstyn are bad too. Not always easy to judge bad lines, I guess.

Tough one

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Isn't Kulich 2nd worst by FF and CF?

For that matter, Krebs and Malenstyn are bad too. Not always easy to judge bad lines, I guess.
- Lunaion

No, hes better there than the whole 4th line, Byram and Mcleod.

Started at the bottom, been rising nearly every game. Which is understandable for a rookie.

I think Krebs gets dragged possessionaly due to his linemates. Been positive on every other line hes been on. Hasn't played more than 8 minutes with another line though so tough to tell. IMO he deserves it. Hes played well as of late.

No, hes better there than the whole 4th line, Byram and Mcleod.
- DirtyDan

NST has him 2nd worst in FF% and CF%. Not my favorite numbers, but you picked them for Lafferty.

NST has him 2nd worst in FF% and CF%. Not my favorite numbers, but you picked them for Lafferty.
- Lunaion

I don't mind them. Don't paint a whole picture(what metric does) but tells me if we've got the puck more or less relatively to their teammates. Lafferty being the worst in those and with the fact hes stunk on the dot(which they brought him in to help as hes typically a 50% guy) and hes put up ziltch. He should be the odd man out.

I prefer hockey-reference. Froozenpool.dobbersports for line metrics. But to each their own.

I believe NST has improper #'s. They've got Owen Power at 137.28 total time on ice.
HR has him at 177.34 and ESPN has him 177.28


Natural stat trick has him playing just over 17 minutes a night. Dont add up.

I think Krebs gets dragged possessionaly due to his linemates. Been positive on every other line hes been on. Hasn't played more than 8 minutes with another line though so tough to tell. IMO he deserves it. Hes played well as of late.
- DirtyDan

NST has him 2nd worst in FF% and CF%. Not my favorite numbers, but you picked them for Lafferty.
- Lunaion

Interesting, what is your go to?

- homiedclown

They really should put Krebs line 2. Preferably start him at center. Maybe Cozens on the RW would give him that spark he got at the Worlds(where he played wing and put up over a PPG)

No, hes better there than the whole 4th line, Byram and Mcleod.

Started at the bottom, been rising nearly every game. Which is understandable for a rookie.

I think Krebs gets dragged possessionaly due to his linemates. Been positive on every other line hes been on. Hasn't played more than 8 minutes with another line though so tough to tell. IMO he deserves it. Hes played well as of late.
- DirtyDan

Zucker Krebs Kulich

I don't mind them. Don't paint a whole picture(what metric does) but tells me if we've got the puck more or less relatively to their teammates. Lafferty being the worst in those and with the fact hes stunk on the dot(which they brought him in to help as hes typically a 50% guy) and hes put up ziltch. He should be the odd man out.

I prefer hockey-reference. Froozenpool.dobbersports for line metrics. But to each their own.

I believe NST has improper #'s. They've got Owen Power at 137.28 total time on ice.
HR has him at 177.34 and ESPN has him 177.28


Natural stat trick has him playing just over 17 minutes a night. Dont add up.
- DirtyDan

NST defaults to 5v5. Hockey reference uses Even Strength. Both sites list his Even Strength at 18:33.

Believe they all use the same underlying data. I use Hockey Reference for basic stuff, but if I want to look deeper, it's NST.

Last game was a good reminder of just how badly EN situations can skew numbers, just makes me appreciate NST's 5v5 numbers screening them out even more.

Interesting, what is your go to?
- IonSabres

xGF%, not saying it's perfect, but I think it's the best single number.

Zucker Krebs Kulich
- Buff36

I don't get separating line 3 right now. They're finding the chemistry. They're hot right now and the teams winning.

You can change the dynamic of line 2 very easily with Kulich-Krebs on the dot -Cozens at wing.

NST defaults to 5v5. Hockey reference uses Even Strength. Both sites list his Even Strength at 18:33.

Believe they all use the same underlying data. I use Hockey Reference for basic stuff, but if I want to look deeper, it's NST.

Last game was a good reminder of just how badly EN situations can skew numbers, just makes me appreciate NST's 5v5 numbers screening them out even more.
- Lunaion

Natural Stat Trick screens out empty net situation numbers?

Natural Stat Trick screens out empty net situation numbers?
- kingcong39

They don't count EN as 5v5, they count it as EV.

Think they had 1.8 xG shooting at the EN last game.

NST defaults to 5v5. Hockey reference uses Even Strength. Both sites list his Even Strength at 18:33.

Believe they all use the same underlying data. I use Hockey Reference for basic stuff, but if I want to look deeper, it's NST.

Last game was a good reminder of just how badly EN situations can skew numbers, just makes me appreciate NST's 5v5 numbers screening them out even more.
- Lunaion

Ahh I did not take into account the defaulting. Don't use it very much.

I don't find the data to be any more in depth. Have more tools sure. One stop shop kinda. I just find HR and Dobber to be much easier/quicker to navigate.

I think we discussed (or maybe i was discussing with another poster kinda recently) about the discrepancies in those sites.

They don't count EN as 5v5, they count it as EV.

Think they had 1.8 xG shooting at the EN last game.
- Lunaion

They don't really know where to bucket it, so they lump it in with even strength, even though it's not.

They don't really know where to bucket it, so they lump it in with even strength, even though it's not.
- kingcong39

I imagine they are limited by the data they are given. Not polluting 5v5 helps.

xGF%, not saying it's perfect, but I think it's the best single number.
- Lunaion

Ahh, "number".
I was interpreting your comment to be "website" source data.

Ahh I did not take into account the defaulting. Don't use it very much.

I don't find the data to be any more in depth. Have more tools sure. One stop shop kinda. I just find HR and Dobber to be much easier/quicker to navigate.

I think we discussed (or maybe i was discussing with another poster kinda recently) about the discrepancies in those sites.
- DirtyDan

xG, scoring chances, higher danger chances

There's just so much more on NST.

Ahh, "number".
I was interpreting your comment to be "website" source data.
- IonSabres

I assume all/most of using public data. Can't say I've ever looked in to that.

skinner has more points than cozens, quinn and benson combined this season

skinner has more points than cozens, quinn and benson combined this season
- homiedclown

Sabres GF 25.... Oilers 14.... but but but where will the goals come from