I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup

Leafs got pumped. Pretty embarrassing.

Annoying game.

poop games happen but everything went wrong.

Hildeby had a stinker...That is what the leafs were afraid of last season.

Needs to be sent down, he did not look comfortable whatsoever and did not respond well to adversity. He has some maturing to do no biggie.

Only positives I can take is Knies is going to be special, and happy for Robby, he has had some bad luck.

At least the bruins suck too

I'd dump tavares way before Marner, considering contracts. I wouldn't sign him over abiut 5M next year.
- prock

Facts.

If they had the opportunity to pick up a top dman at the deadline, that would be a great reason.

But it will never happen.
- prock

Facts.

I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Sorry…I don’t recall 🤔

At least the bruins suck too
- TheMussel

now, THAT is always good medicine!

Brutal. And just saw we lost Patches to the dreaded lbi. Berube sayin know more wed. So what happened there? LBI = blow his achillies again?

I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya, you really went out on a limb there.

Stoopid leafs

I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya you really went out on a limb there.

Stoopid leafs
😞

I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya you really went out on a limb there.

Stoopid leafs
😞

I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya you really went out on a limb there.

Stoopid Leafs

Facts.
- Rare_Jewel

You know these aren't facts, right? Just another knucklehead's opinion? It will only be a fact if any of this comes true.

Brutal. And just saw we lost Patches to the dreaded lbi. Berube sayin know more wed. So what happened there? LBI = blow his achillies again?
- Roadrunner75

lovely booty injury... I blame Zezel.

I told you stupid frankers.

Did I not tell you stupid frankers?
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya you really went out on a limb there.

Stoopid Leafs

5:30 wakeup for kids hockey
Yay

You know these aren't facts, right? Just another knucklehead's opinion? It will only be a fact if any of this comes true.
- gravyface

I suspect you're referring to Tavares - and I have to admit that as a fan I don't know if I'd want him back at any price. I mean obviously less than $3m to play 3rd line minutes? Maybe - but I'm being honest when I say that the role might be better filled by someone with more speed and who comes with less expectation. He's been getting his points but a lot of those are on the PP and I don't know if he's doing something that Knies couldn't, for example.

The year he arrived here he had a career high in 5v5 points with 60 (5th in the league), and since then (using an 82 game pace to provide context), he's been at 38, 44, 40, 38, 36 - and this year after 7 games, he's at a 41 point pace. For the most part, it should be noted, with the Islanders he averaged roughly in this same range his whole career but really these were his year-over-year paced to 82 games points: 25, 39, 48, 48, 51, 47, 47, 38, 39.

Since 5v5 is tricky to scope in terms of "but how does that compare?" - 40 points around 50th; 35 points is around 80th. 50 points is typically top-15. So there absolutely is a lot of wiggle room inside the framework of the "Yeah but he gets his points!" argument.

For me, I just don't feel he's battling like he used to and I don't know exactly what useful skills he's bringing with him. I'm probably being an ass, but really to me he loses most battles, he is bounced netfront too often, he's slow and on the other side he doesn't bring defense, physicality or penalty killing. If he were removed from PP1, I think he'd be a 30 point player and likely a negative 5v5 contributor in that his line would be outscored.

It's not the $11m question - it's the what does he bring and what is he actually worth to us in 2025-2026 under a Craig Berube led team?

I suspect you're referring to Tavares - and I have to admit that as a fan I don't know if I'd want him back at any price. I mean obviously less than $3m to play 3rd line minutes? Maybe - but I'm being honest when I say that the role might be better filled by someone with more speed and who comes with less expectation. He's been getting his points but a lot of those are on the PP and I don't know if he's doing something that Knies couldn't, for example.

The year he arrived here he had a career high in 5v5 points with 60 (5th in the league), and since then (using an 82 game pace to provide context), he's been at 38, 44, 40, 38, 36 - and this year after 7 games, he's at a 41 point pace. For the most part, it should be noted, with the Islanders he averaged roughly in this same range his whole career but really these were his year-over-year paced to 82 games points: 25, 39, 48, 48, 51, 47, 47, 38, 39.

Since 5v5 is tricky to scope in terms of "but how does that compare?" - 40 points around 50th; 35 points is around 80th. 50 points is typically top-15. So there absolutely is a lot of wiggle room inside the framework of the "Yeah but he gets his points!" argument.

For me, I just don't feel he's battling like he used to and I don't know exactly what useful skills he's bringing with him. I'm probably being an ass, but really to me he loses most battles, he is bounced netfront too often, he's slow and on the other side he doesn't bring defense, physicality or penalty killing. If he were removed from PP1, I think he'd be a 30 point player and likely a negative 5v5 contributor in that his line would be outscored.

It's not the $11m question - it's the what does he bring and what is he actually worth to us in 2025-2026 under a Craig Berube led team?
- Monkeypunk

We'll see how much he actually loves the city and team when they hand him a Stamkos-type lowball offer.

He can have Kampf's job for Kampf money.

If not, give him a job in the front office or scouting. That's probably where he could have the most value for the team at this stage on his career.

I suspect you're referring to Tavares - and I have to admit that as a fan I don't know if I'd want him back at any price. I mean obviously less than $3m to play 3rd line minutes? Maybe - but I'm being honest when I say that the role might be better filled by someone with more speed and who comes with less expectation. He's been getting his points but a lot of those are on the PP and I don't know if he's doing something that Knies couldn't, for example.

The year he arrived here he had a career high in 5v5 points with 60 (5th in the league), and since then (using an 82 game pace to provide context), he's been at 38, 44, 40, 38, 36 - and this year after 7 games, he's at a 41 point pace. For the most part, it should be noted, with the Islanders he averaged roughly in this same range his whole career but really these were his year-over-year paced to 82 games points: 25, 39, 48, 48, 51, 47, 47, 38, 39.

Since 5v5 is tricky to scope in terms of "but how does that compare?" - 40 points around 50th; 35 points is around 80th. 50 points is typically top-15. So there absolutely is a lot of wiggle room inside the framework of the "Yeah but he gets his points!" argument.

For me, I just don't feel he's battling like he used to and I don't know exactly what useful skills he's bringing with him. I'm probably being an ass, but really to me he loses most battles, he is bounced netfront too often, he's slow and on the other side he doesn't bring defense, physicality or penalty killing. If he were removed from PP1, I think he'd be a 30 point player and likely a negative 5v5 contributor in that his line would be outscored.

It's not the $11m question - it's the what does he bring and what is he actually worth to us in 2025-2026 under a Craig Berube led team?
- Monkeypunk

so he is just been consistent the whole time in his production.
i would 100% sign him again for 5 mil. not even a question

Cbus could still win, but i dont think it will be because the leafs dont show up.
- Fakepartofme

Bump.

We'll see how much he actually loves the city and team when they hand him a Stamkos-type lowball offer.

He can have Kampf's job for Kampf money.

If not, give him a job in the front office or scouting. That's probably where he could have the most value for the team at this stage on his career.
- GalacticStone

Wasnt Stamkos offered $5m per by tampa?
That would be the max i would offer JT.
No matter how much you love the city, if someone offers you $9m more over 3 years, thats difficult to turn down. Imo

I suspect you're referring to Tavares - and I have to admit that as a fan I don't know if I'd want him back at any price. I mean obviously less than $3m to play 3rd line minutes? Maybe - but I'm being honest when I say that the role might be better filled by someone with more speed and who comes with less expectation. He's been getting his points but a lot of those are on the PP and I don't know if he's doing something that Knies couldn't, for example.

The year he arrived here he had a career high in 5v5 points with 60 (5th in the league), and since then (using an 82 game pace to provide context), he's been at 38, 44, 40, 38, 36 - and this year after 7 games, he's at a 41 point pace. For the most part, it should be noted, with the Islanders he averaged roughly in this same range his whole career but really these were his year-over-year paced to 82 games points: 25, 39, 48, 48, 51, 47, 47, 38, 39.

Since 5v5 is tricky to scope in terms of "but how does that compare?" - 40 points around 50th; 35 points is around 80th. 50 points is typically top-15. So there absolutely is a lot of wiggle room inside the framework of the "Yeah but he gets his points!" argument.

For me, I just don't feel he's battling like he used to and I don't know exactly what useful skills he's bringing with him. I'm probably being an ass, but really to me he loses most battles, he is bounced netfront too often, he's slow and on the other side he doesn't bring defense, physicality or penalty killing. If he were removed from PP1, I think he'd be a 30 point player and likely a negative 5v5 contributor in that his line would be outscored.

It's not the $11m question - it's the what does he bring and what is he actually worth to us in 2025-2026 under a Craig Berube led team?
- Monkeypunk

It's probably unfair to judge him for his past few games, where he lost 8 lbs, but I'm still going to unfairly judge him.

I've already moved on emotionally from him.

I honestly wouldn't offer the guy more than $3M on his next contract. Yes, he can get double that elsewhere, but that's not Toronto's problem.

And although I haven't actually seen proof of it, these rumours that he's endorsing some stupid amulet for $300 really makes me think of him in a different way. He's either too stupid to know it's a scam, or he knows it's a scam and just wants to fleece people for money. Either way, I've lost a ton of respect for him as a human being.

Bump.
- Atomic Wedgie

I had already bumped this when it was 3 -0....actually i called it out saying it didnt age well. At that time the beast had allowed 2 bad goals and it 3-0, the game was still salvageable.
Then things turned really sour
But thanks for taking the time to search it out.

I had already bumped this when it was 3 -0....actually i called it out saying it didnt age well. At that time the beast had allowed 2 bad goals and it 3-0, the game was still salvageable.
Then things turned really sour
But thanks for taking the time to search it out.
- Fakepartofme

To be honest, it was still just up in my browser when I sat down to the computer this morning.

I was curling last night. Came off the ice, looked at the score: 4-0. I just laughed - whatta ya gunna do?

so he is just been consistent the whole time in his production.
i would 100% sign him again for 5 mil. not even a question
- senstroll

Agreed.

He was out sick with something too last week right?

If flu or COVID, boy let me tell you, I played a tournament 3 weeks removed from COVID and it was rough... just gassed all the time.

JT is the least of my concerns long-term with this team. If he wants to stick around and they can make the numbers work, great.

More concerned with Marner and what kind of astronomical cap hit he's going to be asking for.