So that's the light of the tunnel you're referring to?
- MJL

The oncoming train

Briere has three 1st round picks in 2025 and three 2nd round picks, clearly this is an important part of the future for him. Is it the only plan, of course not, but again, clearly it's an important part of the path going forward....forrest for the trees!!

The last time the Flyers had three 1st round picks was 1978. It's happening brother.
- Dave21Brown

It’s the 6 picks will save us argument

Briere has three 1st round picks in 2025 and three 2nd round picks, clearly this is an important part of the future for him. Is it the only plan, of course not, but again, clearly it's an important part of the path going forward....forrest for the trees!!

The last time the Flyers had three 1st round picks was 1978. It's happening brother.
- Dave21Brown

What is happening? LOL You're not seeing the forest through the trees. The forest is elite players and the trees are just good players that they have plenty of. There is no guarantee that they're going to get elite talent with all 3 first round picks. There is no guarantee that they're even going to use all 3 picks.

You said the other day that you're near 60 so you must be aware of NHL history. Evidenced by your reference to 1978. By the way, how many elite players did they get with those 3 picks. Maybe one?

Look at the majority of teams that have won cups and how long it has taken from when they drafted their first elite level player (Michkov) and how long until they were able to break through to win the Cup? To build up enough elite core. Generally 5-10 years. You can be competitive and be a playoff team sooner but to be a truly elite team, it takes considerable time. The Flyers should be viewing the drafting of Michkov as the start of their rebuild. I guarantee they aren't and that they view it as the end and it's go time as soon as they can. Which means more wheeling and dealing and the same old tired failed methods.

It’s the 6 picks will save us argument
- corduroy

The fact that people believe one draft will put us on the road to contention is admirable. Illogical given past history but still admirable. 😂

Well, the even more OBVIOUS difference is that going into the season, Edmonton was a Cup contender. They got it together and played up to what they were supposed to be.

The Flyers suck. The two situations aren't even remotely in the same stratosphere.
- MBFlyerfan

That is just hyperbole. The Flyers do not suck. They are a playoff bubble team, and last year played up to their level for 90% of the season. If Hart had not got in trouble, the Flyers would have made the playoffs. This season the Flyers subtracted Atkinson and added Michkov, and Michkov is the real deal. The backup goalie is an issue right now for sure. But overall, this team as currently constituted is a bubble team, certainly will not finish last in the division and the bottom of the conference.

Oh brother. My post was accurate. He said factually that he isn't worried about the offense. Somehow from that you surmised that I don't understand that a good forecheck can generate offense. You're also apparently unaware that a forecheck and defensive tracking are two different concepts in hockey. You also apparently didn't grasp the point I made. I get a kick out of when you try and fight back. You're inept at it but atleast it provides some humor.
- MJL

You are pathetic! You are a true fountain of misinformation. Here is the exact quote for Torts in context:

The biggest thing with our structure is our tracking and backchecking. It may seem a little weird to talk about that part of the game through the lack of our offense but that's our identity, tracking back so our D can jam the neutral zone that's where the transition [to offense] comes off of. In viewing the tape last night and showing it to them this morning, we are flat in the offensive zone, have zero depth within the offensive structure and our back checking and tracking is just not there.

So as I stated, its the forecheck and backchecking that spawn offense.

That is just hyperbole. The Flyers do not suck. They are a playoff bubble team, and last year played up to their level for 90% of the season. If Hart had not got in trouble, the Flyers would have made the playoffs. This season the Flyers subtracted Atkinson and added Michkov, and Michkov is the real deal. The backup goalie is an issue right now for sure. But overall, this team as currently constituted is a bubble team, certainly will not finish last in the division and the bottom of the conference.
- jd250

His comments are hyperbole but your comment that they were a playoff bubble team, except for when they weren't. What is that? What would NJ have been in Hamilton didn't get hurt and other issues that they had.

Yes, the Flyers do suck and they have sucked for the majority of the time for the better part of over a decade. They've just lost 6 games in a row. You have one standard for the Flyers and a standard for other teams that you're biased against. Such as Boston.

Whether this years team is a bubble playoff team, remains to be seen. So far they're not and generally by Thanksgiving, the picture becomes much clearer.

Your posts are generally irrational and uninformed but they're a special kind of stupid today
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What is happening? LOL You're not seeing the forest through the trees. The forest is elite players and the trees are just good players that they have plenty of. There is no guarantee that they're going to get elite talent with all 3 first round picks. There is no guarantee that they're even going to use all 3 picks.

You said the other day that you're near 60 so you must be aware of NHL history. Evidenced by your reference to 1978. By the way, how many elite players did they get with those 3 picks. Maybe one?

Look at the majority of teams that have won cups and how long it has taken from when they drafted their first elite level player (Michkov) and how long until they were able to break through to win the Cup? To build up enough elite core. Generally 5-10 years. You can be competitive and be a playoff team sooner but to be a truly elite team, it takes considerable time. The Flyers should be viewing the drafting of Michkov as the start of their rebuild. I guarantee they aren't and that they view it as the end and it's go time as soon as they can. Which means more wheeling and dealing and the same old tired failed methods.
- MJL

Unfortunately, the Flyers and Wild are close to being mirror images of one another. The Wild have been stuck in the middle for two decades. Leopold refuses to rebuild. They have a superstar and a little more high end talent(Boldy, Erickson-Ek, Rossi and Faber) but beyond that bottom six talent. Guerin has wasted much of the cap space being available next season by signing over 30 vets who are bottom six to multiple year contracts. Little vision. Just put butts in the seats and try to sell hopium to the jaded base.

What is happening? LOL You're not seeing the forest through the trees. The forest is elite players and the trees are just good players that they have plenty of. There is no guarantee that they're going to get elite talent with all 3 first round picks. There is no guarantee that they're even going to use all 3 picks.

You said the other day that you're near 60 so you must be aware of NHL history. Evidenced by your reference to 1978. By the way, how many elite players did they get with those 3 picks. Maybe one?

Look at the majority of teams that have won cups and how long it has taken from when they drafted their first elite level player (Michkov) and how long until they were able to break through to win the Cup? To build up enough elite core. Generally 5-10 years. You can be competitive and be a playoff team sooner but to be a truly elite team, it takes considerable time. The Flyers should be viewing the drafting of Michkov as the start of their rebuild. I guarantee they aren't and that they view it as the end and it's go time as soon as they can. Which means more wheeling and dealing and the same old tired failed methods.
- MJL

The drafting, that's what's happening. And yes, I'm acutely aware of the time it takes to build something special, this isn't a quick path. But that's a good thing for long term success.

It doesn't matter that they didn't get elite level players in 1978, what matters is the building process itself, brick by brick you just keep building on what you did the previous year.

In 1978 the got Behn Wilson & Kenny Linseman, in 1979 they got Propp, Lindbergh & Carson, in 1982 they got Ron Sutter, Hextall & Dave Brown, in 1983 they got Zezel, Tocchet, Derrick Smith & Pelle Eklund.

By the time 1985 rolled around the Flyers had 113 points and went to the Stanley Cup finals. Not solely from drafting, but it played a huge role. That's how you build a core in a cap era.

His comments are hyperbole but your comment that they were a playoff bubble team, except for when they weren't. What is that? What would NJ have been in Hamilton didn't get hurt and other issues that they had.

Yes, the Flyers do suck and they have sucked for the majority of the time for the better part of over a decade. They've just lost 6 games in a row. You have one standard for the Flyers and a standard for other teams that you're biased against. Such as Boston.

Whether this years team is a bubble playoff team, remains to be seen. So far they're not and generally by Thanksgiving, the picture becomes much clearer.

Your posts are generally irrational and uninformed but they're a special kind of stupid today
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- MJL

Yes, keep those names coming ... in the mean time you prove not only your own ignorance about the game of hockey but also prove you don't have much of a life either.

This kid would look great in burnt orange!!

https://x.com/spittinchic...tatus/1849902605364851022

You are pathetic! You are a true fountain of misinformation. Here is the exact quote for Torts in context:



So as I stated, its the forecheck and backchecking that spawn offense.
- jd250

That is not the quote that I'm referring to. You're being an idiot. Both statements by Tortorella are an indictment on him as a coach and point out how the modern day NHL game has passed him by.

Although the forecheck and turning pucks over with defensive back pressure can certainly lead to offense. That is not all there is to offense in today's NHL. The issue is that Tortorella thinks it is because he is stuck in the stone ages as a coach. He does not know how to coach offense. Offensive strategy and philosophy of attack in the offensive zone is as much a part of modern day NHL systems as a neutral zone forecheck and defensive zone coverage is. It is absent from the Flyers. Most of their offense comes from individual efforts rather than from a cohesive offensive attack.

Then there is the comments he made in the off season about having an epiphany about how the Flyers scored and how they need to score. What tools are available to a modern day NHL team that would give an NHL coach that information in almost real time? I doubt you can figure it out. Tortorella is certainly unwilling or unable

Unfortunately, the Flyers and Wild are close to being mirror images of one another. The Wild have been stuck in the middle for two decades. Leopold refuses to rebuild. They have a superstar and a little more high end talent(Boldy, Erickson-Ek, Rossi and Faber) but beyond that bottom six talent. Guerin has wasted much of the cap space being available next season by signing over 30 vets who are bottom six to multiple year contracts. Little vision. Just put butts in the seats and try to sell hopium to the jaded base.
- Minnyhock

Man, I feel sorry for Minny fans. Such a great hockey state as well. But it sounds like you understand Flyers fans. What you just said is exactly what the last decade of hockey in Philly has become.

That is just hyperbole. The Flyers do not suck. They are a playoff bubble team, and last year played up to their level for 90% of the season. If Hart had not got in trouble, the Flyers would have made the playoffs. This season the Flyers subtracted Atkinson and added Michkov, and Michkov is the real deal. The backup goalie is an issue right now for sure. But overall, this team as currently constituted is a bubble team, certainly will not finish last in the division and the bottom of the conference.
- jd250

How many points then of they are a bubble team? They could truly be out of the hunt before Turkey Day.

Let’s get this on the record.

This kid would look great in burnt orange!!

https://x.com/spittinchic...tatus/1849902605364851022
- Dave21Brown

Dave, watch that a few times lol. It is completely edited!

The kid is a player but the video is fake. It is funny when you see it though 😂

The drafting, that's what's happening. And yes, I'm acutely aware of the time it takes to build something special, this isn't a quick path. But that's a good thing for long term success.


- Dave21Brown

You don't know that the drafting is going to happen. They have 3 first round picks. there is no guarantee they use them. They could potentially use one in a trade this season. Until it happens, nothing is happening.

It doesn't matter that they didn't get elite level players in 1978, what matters is the building process itself, brick by brick you just keep building on what you did the previous year.


- Dave21Brown

Yes it does matter in context. Look at the Flyers. Look at all the building they have done with first round picks. What do they have? Nothing! It's not brick by brick. It's elite or you have nothing.

In 1978 the got Behn Wilson & Kenny Linseman, in 1979 they got Propp, Lindbergh & Carson, in 1982 they got Ron Sutter, Hextall & Dave Brown, in 1983 they got Zezel, Tocchet, Derrick Smith & Pelle Eklund.


- Dave21Brown

Now you're out of context. You originally brought up one draft. Now you're bringing drafts into it. The Smiths and Carson's aren't going to matter. Maybe they get lucky and a 6th rounder turns into a 40 goal scorer like Tocchett. Good luck. Has that happened again since he was drafted in 1983? Over 40 years ago?

By the time 1985 rolled around the Flyers had 113 points and went to the Stanley Cup finals. Not solely from drafting, but it played a huge role. That's how you build a core in a cap era.
- Dave21Brown

!978 to 1985. How long of a time period is that? 7 years. Fits into my 5-10 year span. Was there a salary cap to deal with back then?

If you think the Flyers are re-signing Konecny to an 8 year deal to stay patient and build through the draft. You're kidding yourself.

Luchanko, Foerster, Michkov, York and prolly Tippett (yeah, I know he hasn't looked good this year). That's 5 right off the top of my head.
- Phillywhiteout

So saying they have one of the youngest teams now is pretty meaningless if only say 5 are here in 3/4 years.

This whole youngest team thing is a deflection to me. Plus excluding the 2 teens, the rest have numerous years of NHL/ pro experience.

Yes, keep those names coming ... in the mean time you prove not only your own ignorance about the game of hockey but also prove you don't have much of a life either.
- jd250

There is not a single name called in my post. You're losing it JD. Even more so than usual. I would suggest you sign off and regroup. Come back with more nonsense tomorrow.

Dave, watch that a few times lol. It is completely edited!

The kid is a player but the video is fake. It is funny when you see it though 😂
- Flyfly

I'll have to get my glasses on and look more closely.

I'll have to get my glasses on and look more closely.
- Dave21Brown

It’s awesome! 😎

Holy Giroux, him Norris and Batherson have been dominant

That is just hyperbole. The Flyers do not suck. They are a playoff bubble team, and last year played up to their level for 90% of the season. If Hart had not got in trouble, the Flyers would have made the playoffs. This season the Flyers subtracted Atkinson and added Michkov, and Michkov is the real deal. The backup goalie is an issue right now for sure. But overall, this team as currently constituted is a bubble team, certainly will not finish last in the division and the bottom of the conference.
- jd250

Yes they will finish near the bottom of the conference. You prop up this bubble team nonsense like it is a badge of honor.

Playoff bubble team when 16 teams make the playoffs his hysterical.

I can't imagine they sit a healthy Luchanko a 3rd game in a row. All this time in the press box helps nobody except the Flyers PR dept who can keep saying how great it is that the Flyers have the youngest player in the league on their roster.

This whole thing, with not only how he made the roster but also his play showing he's not ready to how the team is now treating him, is an embarrassment.
- Flyers_01

How does sitting Luchenko help Flyers PR. If anything its bad for PR. They are sitting the one guy ppl are excited to see and sitting him for three games straight goves the impression hes not ready and having him on the team was a mistake

You don't know that the drafting is going to happen. They have 3 first round picks. there is no guarantee they use them. They could potentially use one in a trade this season. Until it happens, nothing is happening.

Yes it does matter in context. Look at the Flyers. Look at all the building they have done with first round picks. What do they have? Nothing! It's not brick by brick. It's elite or you have nothing.

Now you're out of context. You originally brought up one draft. Now you're bringing drafts into it. The Smiths and Carson's aren't going to matter. Maybe they get lucky and a 6th rounder turns into a 40 goal scorer like Tocchett. Good luck. Has that happened again since he was drafted in 1983? Over 40 years ago?

!978 to 1985. How long of a time period is that? 7 years. Fits into my 5-10 year span. Was there a salary cap to deal with back then?

If you think the Flyers are re-signing Konecny to an 8 year deal to stay patient and build through the draft. You're kidding yourself.
- MJL

Of course I don't "know" what's going to happen, I'm not a psychic, I'm projecting what I both want to happen and what I think will happen. You don't know what's going to happen either, you're just projecting like me.

Your second part is pure nonsense, brick by brick is absolutely the most important part because the best, most elite, talent in the world can't win by themselves. You need a core of players to win. They already have a few good young players 23 and under, keep building on that and get some elite talent from the draft.

This is a five to eight year process that's just beginning, and I'm fine with that, I enjoy watching the process. I'm just more hopefully than you. If you're past experiences tell you things will never get better, then why do you bother to keep talking about it? Move on to something else, why mire in misery, seems kind of self-defeating. If you honestly believe the Flyers will never be good again perhaps cheer for another team?

How does sitting Luchenko help Flyers PR. If anything its bad for PR. They are sitting the one guy ppl are excited to see and sitting him for three games straight goves the impression hes not ready and having him on the team was a mistake
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They are making themselves look incredibly stupid