How does sitting Luchenko help Flyers PR. If anything its bad for PR. They are sitting the one guy ppl are excited to see and sitting him for three games straight goves the impression hes not ready and having him on the team was a mistake
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Where did he state that sitting Luchanko helps the Flyers PR? He didn't. The question for you is how does this reconcile with your previous claim that the Flyers had a plan and were only going to sit him in one game of a back to back?

Where did he state that sitting Luchanko helps the Flyers PR? He didn't. The question for you is how does this reconcile with your previous claim that the Flyers had a plan and were only going to sit him in one game of a back to back?
- MJL

😂 forgot he was the Carlson plan guy. Another great call by shooter

Of course I don't "know" what's going to happen, I'm not a psychic, I'm projecting what I both want to happen and what I think will happen. You don't know what's going to happen either, you're just projecting like me.


- Dave21Brown

Right, you're not a psychic and don't know what's going to happen. I agree so why do you state that it's happening. That the Flyers are going to be patient and build through the draft? Wishful thinking?

Your second part is pure nonsense, brick by brick is absolutely the most important part because the best, most elite, talent in the world can't win by themselves. You need a core of players to win. They already have a few good young players 23 and under, keep building on that and get some elite talent from the draft.


- Dave21Brown

You're not getting it. My premise is that we can have all the support players we want. We can have plenty of good players. Without the elite core, what do you have? Nothing! Brick is not the most important part. The elite players are the most important part. Right now they have Michkov and they need more. Not the Carson's and Smith's. It's not nonsense. It's reality.

This is a five to eight year process that's just beginning, and I'm fine with that, I enjoy watching the process. I'm just more hopefully than you. If you're past experiences tell you things will never get better, then why do you bother to keep talking about it? Move on to something else, why mire in misery, seems kind of self-defeating. If you honestly believe the Flyers will never be good again perhaps cheer for another team?
- Dave21Brown

It's not just the beginning in the Flyers eyes. That is my point. I haven't said that I beleive the Flyers will never be good again. What are you talking about? I said they're never going to be good unless they make major changes to how they operate.

See how you get off of talking about the Flyers and onto me. Assuming again how I feel about something and suggesting that I stop bothering to care? Why is that your concern?

If you think the Flyers are re-signing Konecny to an 8 year deal to stay patient and build through the draft. You're kidding yourself.
- MJL

By they way, this is not uncommon, TK's a big part of the culture there. Dylan Larkin signed a long term deal in Detroit during a rebuild.

By they way, this is not uncommon, TK's a big part of the culture there. Dylan Larkin signed a long term deal in Detroit during a rebuild.
- Dave21Brown

Culture, another buzzword thrown around. It's meaningless. How is Detroit doing?

It's not just the beginning in the Flyers eyes. That is my point. I haven't said that I beleive the Flyers will never be good again. What are you talking about? I said they're never going to be good unless they make major changes to how they operate.

See how you get off of talking about the Flyers and onto me. Assuming again how I feel about something and suggesting that I stop bothering to care? Why is that your concern?
- MJL

Because you've stated as much, you constantly go on about they've been doing it so wrong for so long nothing will change. That's your mantra.

They did make major changes to how they operate, what are you talking about? They pushed Dave Scott out the door, they distanced themselves from Holmgren and Clarke, they fired Fletcher and brought in a new, yet inexperienced guy in Briere who believe's in the value of the draft. Things are changing my friend, whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.

By they way, this is not uncommon, TK's a big part of the culture there. Dylan Larkin signed a long term deal in Detroit during a rebuild.
- Dave21Brown

TK is big part of the losing culture.

Culture, another buzzword thrown around. It's meaningless. How is Detroit doing?
- MJL

It's a real thing. Trust me!!

Detroit is doing fine, but they too have fans like yourself screaming bloody murder because there's no losing allowed. It's just white noise. Detroit doesn't have any elite talent yet but they're building those bricks bit by bit through the draft.

Because you've stated as much, you constantly go on about they've been doing it so wrong for so long nothing will change. That's your mantra.

They did make major changes to how they operate, what are you talking about? They pushed Dave Scott out the door, they distanced themselves from Holmgren and Clarke, they fired Fletcher and brought in a new, yet inexperienced guy in Briere who believe's in the value of the draft. Things are changing my friend, whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.
- Dave21Brown

Stated as much what? Again, what are you talking about. My position is not my mantra. It is my opinion that is supported by the facts.


Just because you bring in new people to make decisions. Does not mean that you have changed the way you operate. Again, maybe you've missed but the POHO has all but said that they're just waiting for the cap to clear up to begin making moves. There is zero indication that anything has changed. I think you're drinking the Kool aid.

TK is big part of the losing culture.
- furio16

He could fetch another first round pick, that would be sweet!! And by the way, losing in the NHL is a byproduct of lack of talent, that's their biggest issue.

It's a real thing. Trust me!!

Detroit is doing fine, but they too have fans like yourself screaming bloody murder because there's no losing allowed. It's just white noise. Detroit doesn't have any elite talent yet but they're building those bricks bit by bit through the draft.
- Dave21Brown

It's not a real thing. It's a talking point and a ficticious product that teams market to a gullible fan base.

Again, you're talking off base. I want the Flyers to do a proper rebuild. Not to lose due to incompetence. Now you're implying that my position is no losing allowed. LOL

Until Detroit gets some elite talent, Seitzer may be one, they're going no where. No matter how many bricks they pile up.

He could fetch another first round pick, that would be sweet!! And by the way, losing in the NHL is a byproduct of lack of talent, that's their biggest issue.
- Dave21Brown

They didn't sign him to a new deal to trade him. The Flyers have plenty of talent. They lack elite talent. That is their biggest issue.

Stated as much what? Again, what are you talking about. My position is not my mantra. It is my opinion that is supported by the facts.


Just because you bring in new people to make decisions. Does not mean that you have changed the way you operate. Again, maybe you've missed but the POHO has all but said that they're just waiting for the cap to clear up to begin making moves. There is zero indication that anything has changed. I think you're drinking the Kool aid.
- MJL

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about and just making wild guesses for the sake of conversation, and that's fine, gives people something to do.

“That’s the exciting part. I still am not quite there, as far as saying that we’re a contender. I don’t believe we’re at the point where it’s time to let some young assets go, to try to get better quicker. We’re not there yet. But there’s certainly a lot of players that have brought some optimism as far as believing that we’re going in the right direction.”

“I know the expectation next year will be that — oh, we’ve got to get into the playoffs. I don’t even know that we’re there yet. It was a great year, but there’s still a long ways to go. We have to be very careful with that going into next year.”

“We’re going to have discussions with different teams. The bulk of it still needs to be done through our young guys, mostly through the draft,” Briere said.

They didn't sign him to a new deal to trade him. The Flyers have plenty of talent. They lack elite talent. That is their biggest issue.
- MJL

You have no idea of their intentions. You're just guessing. You said that's not allowed?

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about and just making wild guesses for the sake of conversation, and that's fine, gives people something to do.

“That’s the exciting part. I still am not quite there, as far as saying that we’re a contender. I don’t believe we’re at the point where it’s time to let some young assets go, to try to get better quicker. We’re not there yet. But there’s certainly a lot of players that have brought some optimism as far as believing that we’re going in the right direction.”

“I know the expectation next year will be that — oh, we’ve got to get into the playoffs. I don’t even know that we’re there yet. It was a great year, but there’s still a long ways to go. We have to be very careful with that going into next year.”

“We’re going to have discussions with different teams. The bulk of it still needs to be done through our young guys, mostly through the draft,” Briere said.
- Dave21Brown

You're not paying attention. Of course they can't use young assets now to get better now. Why not? As I've been saying, they have to wait for the cap to clear up! Again, I'll repeat that the POHO has said, multiple times that when the cap clears up, they will be making moves but they have to get it right. They have to make the right moves. They know they're not a playoff team. That's an easy statement to make. They're not going to sit back and stay patient through the draft. They're going to escalate and try to win as soon as they can. That is a guarantee.

You have no idea of their intentions. You're just guessing. You said that's not allowed?
- Dave21Brown

Yes, I do because they have stated their intentions and this franchise has a history

How does sitting Luchenko help Flyers PR. If anything its bad for PR. They are sitting the one guy ppl are excited to see and sitting him for three games straight goves the impression hes not ready and having him on the team was a mistake
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Torts is spinning it as not wanting to throw Jett into the middle of a losing streak. I am not seeing a lot of outrage at this time. The Flyers are not having to answer questions about whether they made a mistake with Jett making the roster and then sending him down after playing 4 games is how it's helping.

How many times have you heard that the Flyers have the 3rd youngest roster? Adding 18 yr old Luchanko is a part of that talking point.

Michkov, the losing, and the insane amount of line combinations are making much bigger news. They will eventually send him down and spin it as the plan all along.

He wasn't ready and it was a mistake. It's also likely Jett may sit both games this weekend.

Yes, I do because they have stated their intentions and this franchise has a history
- MJL

You’re misinterpreting their intentions, it happens, stick with it though, the future is bright.

That is just hyperbole. The Flyers do not suck. They are a playoff bubble team, and last year played up to their level for 90% of the season. If Hart had not got in trouble, the Flyers would have made the playoffs. This season the Flyers subtracted Atkinson and added Michkov, and Michkov is the real deal. The backup goalie is an issue right now for sure. But overall, this team as currently constituted is a bubble team, certainly will not finish last in the division and the bottom of the conference.
- jd250

drafting him is "the worst mistake in franchise history"

You're not paying attention. Of course they can't use young assets now to get better now. Why not? As I've been saying, they have to wait for the cap to clear up! Again, I'll repeat that the POHO has said, multiple times that when the cap clears up, they will be making moves but they have to get it right. They have to make the right moves. They know they're not a playoff team. That's an easy statement to make. They're not going to sit back and stay patient through the draft. They're going to escalate and try to win as soon as they can. That is a guarantee.
- MJL

They’re going to sit back and be patient through the draft, that’s what he’s saying, whether you choose to a knowledge it or not. And yes, of course they’re going to to win as soon as they can, it’s a business, but they’re not going to deviate from drafting and developing players to establish a core group. A lot of the 25 and over group won’t be along for the ride in three years time if they stick to the plan, I’m excited about the Flyers future under Briere!!!

The drafting, that's what's happening. And yes, I'm acutely aware of the time it takes to build something special, this isn't a quick path. But that's a good thing for long term success.

It doesn't matter that they didn't get elite level players in 1978, what matters is the building process itself, brick by brick you just keep building on what you did the previous year.

In 1978 the got Behn Wilson & Kenny Linseman, in 1979 they got Propp, Lindbergh & Carson, in 1982 they got Ron Sutter, Hextall & Dave Brown, in 1983 they got Zezel, Tocchet, Derrick Smith & Pelle Eklund.

By the time 1985 rolled around the Flyers had 113 points and went to the Stanley Cup finals. Not solely from drafting, but it played a huge role. That's how you build a core in a cap era.
- Dave21Brown

How are they going to get Mark Howe and Brad McCrimmon?

drafting him is "the worst mistake in franchise history"
- THE BLACK HAND

He’s a very cerebral player, he’s definitely not going to wow you with blazing speed or anything like that. But I’m so glad they took the chance and drafted him.

He only has one even strength point, an assist, gotta be better 5v5, but special teams points count too. He’s still a very young kid.

You’re misinterpreting their intentions, it happens, stick with it though, the future is bright.
- Dave21Brown

Based on what? You're using blind faith and are quite frankly with no insult intended, naive.

How are they going to get Mark Howe and Brad McCrimmon?
- THE BLACK HAND

Hopefully the same way they got them last time, build a core through the draft and then start building around them. A certain amount of good luck and due diligence will have to be involved. Where did Chicago draft Duncan Keith, where did Dallas get Hintz and Robertson.

Based on what? You're using blind faith and are quite frankly with no insult intended, naive.
- MJL

I’m using recency bias, I’m taking facts, the past three drafts under Briere, and his spoken words to form an opinion.