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drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who's the real Randy?, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Yesterday @ 11:56 AM ET
can sign good players if they havent won, but cant win if you dont sign good players.

RIP 2025 season.. lets try again in 2026

- senstroll

they skidded the hitting coach. all is well
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Yesterday @ 11:56 AM ET
Hes great, but $50m per is pricey.
But the jays have to do something or somethings

- Fakepartofme


well the high end of that prediction is 43 not 50


also..who cares?
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Yesterday @ 11:58 AM ET
Can they do some of the deferral bs?
- Santo_44


yes they could, but its up to Soto.. but he may not want that.

but its why the prediction is 40-43 /season. no deferral junk like Ohtani
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Yesterday @ 11:59 AM ET
It's a great move. The Leafs get a serviceable defensive third pair d-man who you can rotate in or out of the lineup plus a couple of picks that you can package up at the TDL (3rd and 6th). And, as you said, we clear up additional cap space which is super useful.

This is excellent value for a guy the entire league knew the Leafs needed to dump somewhere.

I have always been a Liljegren fan but he just never seemed to be able to elevate his game to a Top 4 level. Maybe with some seasoning playing in that role on a dumpster fire team may give him the experience he needs to continue to evolve... but I suspect his ceiling isn't much higher than it already is.

- mjones242


I guess, but we have a bunch of those: Benoit, Hockey Paw, Timmins, Myers, etc.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 12:01 PM ET
I guess, but we have a bunch of those: Benoit, Hockey Paw, Timmins, Myers, etc.
- gravyface


Tre believes you need a lot of capable D for a cup run.

He is doing a good job adding depth now and not needing to use picks to do it at the TDL.

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 12:02 PM ET
yes they could, but its up to Soto.. but he may not want that.

but its why the prediction is 40-43 /season. no deferral junk like Ohtani

- senstroll


I could see it happening.

I see some saying Jays fans are dreaming but they have the money. They have a mindset to be a winner.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Yesterday @ 12:06 PM ET
Yeah - the return would have been better if done even just before the contract or arbitration. I am guessing that there were timing issues in there. I'm not sure why but I always got the impression that Keefe liked Liljegren and from that I suspect Treliving and Berube wanted to see if he'd progressed and how he looked at camp and what he'd done with the feedback from the team (usually you get those offseason primers - go put on 5lbs of muscle or 10lbs of muscle; eat this, do that, work on this, work that, etc.). I don't know how he showed up or what he'd done or not done, but I know that almost immediately Berube wasn't impressed and this was, unfortunately, after Liljegren had a $3m contract.

The real way to maximize Liljegren was to recognize that he wasn't a piece we wanted or needed and traded him, like Sandin, at last year's TDL - while he was a cheap RFA. As soon as he signed that $3m contract his value dropped. You could have fetched a decent return for him and spent a 7th or something and grabbed a guy like a Benning to sit in the wings.

- Monkeypunk


Precisely. I had read some of the pundits saying they pushed to trade him around the draft but teams were already cautious about the possibility of a large arbitration award by that point.

That makes sense, his value had ready taken a hit by then with the regular season forgotten and another subpar playoffs fresh, and he would play zero games for another team before possibly walking out of arbitration with an unreasonable award. No one is paying full value for that.

They had brought in Edmundson and Lyubushkin at the deadline and it was awkward finding the right pairings for a bit after that, it's not like Lily missing from that equation would have been detrimental to the playoff picture.

As soon as the deadline had passed they had worked themselves into a spot they'd have to take a diminished return for him. They made out "okay" in the end in that they didn't have to go full Cody Ceci to drop the cap space. But that's just not the return that could have been fetched if managed appropriately.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Yesterday @ 12:06 PM ET
I could see it happening.

I see some saying Jays fans are dreaming but they have the money. They have a mindset to be a winner.

- Santo_44


as a Fan, i give zero (frank)s how much and how long he gets paid
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 12:10 PM ET
as a Fan, i give zero (frank)s how much and how long he gets paid
- senstroll


Yeah I just want to enjoy watching the Jays again.

No one is building a roster on paper to compete with the Dodgers. They are even better next year by default with injured players coming back + more spending. Build a good team with some star players and you have a shot.
Mike Augello
Commissioner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.25.2006

Yesterday @ 12:12 PM ET
new blog everyone
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Yesterday @ 12:14 PM ET
I guess, but we have a bunch of those: Benoit, Hockey Paw, Timmins, Myers, etc.
- gravyface

This is a feature not a bug.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Yesterday @ 12:19 PM ET
Precisely. I had read some of the pundits saying they pushed to trade him around the draft but teams were already cautious about the possibility of a large arbitration award by that point.

That makes sense, his value had ready taken a hit by then with the regular season forgotten and another subpar playoffs fresh, and he would play zero games for another team before possibly walking out of arbitration with an unreasonable award. No one is paying full value for that.

They had brought in Edmundson and Lyubushkin at the deadline and it was awkward finding the right pairings for a bit after that, it's not like Lily missing from that equation would have been detrimental to the playoff picture.

As soon as the deadline had passed they had worked themselves into a spot they'd have to take a diminished return for him. They made out "okay" in the end in that they didn't have to go full Cody Ceci to drop the cap space. But that's just not the return that could have been fetched if managed appropriately.

- joel878


I suspect the same limitations on his value would have been there at the deadline. A rebuilding team would have known he was a $3M re-sign in the summer and a "going for it team" probably wouldn't have wanted him ...or paid no more than a 3rd.

I think you have to go back to the summer of 22 or 23 if you're looking to get anything more than some mid-round picks for him.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Yesterday @ 12:21 PM ET
I suspect the same limitations on his value would have been there at the deadline. A rebuilding team would have known he was a $3M re-sign in the summer and a "going for it team" probably wouldn't have wanted him ...or paid no more than a 3rd.

I think you have to go back to the summer of 22 or 23 if you're looking to get anything more than some mid-round picks for him.

- The Law


Disagree. Liljegren was looking as though there was growth occurring and the ceiling may still be there at that point.

I can respect that view however. Perhaps there wouldn't have been interest.
Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Yesterday @ 12:28 PM ET
Dewar sucks
Does nothing particularly well
Ship him out before others

The Dew car smell already wore off

Go 🍁 Go
💙

- mr.sir

Whoa, a Mr. Sir post I disagree with. Is this real life?!?!
Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Yesterday @ 12:30 PM ET
yes they could, but its up to Soto.. but he may not want that
- senstroll

Wouldn't Soto be ALL over deferral?!? Why pay high Canadian tax when you can live elsewhere and pay way less?
Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Yesterday @ 12:32 PM ET
Disagree. Liljegren was looking as though there was growth occurring and the ceiling may still be there at that point.

I can respect that view however. Perhaps there wouldn't have been interest.

- joel878

Leafs are in win now mode, and they don't have the time for a $3M paperweight to unlock unrealized potential. Had to go.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Yesterday @ 12:49 PM ET
This is a feature not a bug.
- mjones242


Neato, but to call this a "great trade"? Your standards are pretty low.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Yesterday @ 2:06 PM ET
Leafs are in win now mode, and they don't have the time for a $3M paperweight to unlock unrealized potential. Had to go.
- Whipper


100% agreed. Has nothing to do with what I was saying.
jribout
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 01.24.2011

Yesterday @ 7:25 PM ET
hasnt won anything. cant pay those types apparently
- drexel


2019 World series champ and co-winner of MVP of the playoffs
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