Oh and i do hope they go after, i think, the Denver coach, same guy who coached the US team, David Carle?

Richardinson shine worn off. Nazar is a nasty little forechecker. So fast.
- bhawks2241

When finally contending, he'll be a great pesky 3C a la Davey Bolland

Yea i was wondering the same, but then i thought maybe season ticket holders?
- BetweenTheDots

Thanks, Dottie!

I just don't see it that way. There may not be NHL success in the standings, but there is success all over the place where our draft picks are playing, not only are they performing, they are performing at a high level for their respected teams.

Even though Pronman doesn't think Bedard is the best under 23 player in the league and doesn't think Nazar will amount to much, he even can't deny us that we have the most over all talent when it comes to 23 and under players.
- BetweenTheDots

Right now, the Hawks have a ton of highly regarded lottery tickets. The fear is that it leads to BUF, DET, or PHI. All have (or had) a lot of high draft picks, and are struggling to get to the "mired in mediocrity" stage. The Hawks have one thing that none of these teams do (Bedard). I'm still of the opinion that they need to build a competitive team around him sooner rather than later so they don't stagnate into what these teams have.

Oh and i do hope they go after, i think, the Denver coach, same guy who coached the US team, David Carle?
- BetweenTheDots

I've heard/read lots of smoke around the Hawks and him. On the surface, I like the idea. I honestly think the HC choice is KD's biggest move/decision of the offseason.

As much as I like his overall concept, but if KD runs it back with Sorenson, I'd bet a few paychecks that we'll be talking about a new GM at this time next year.

I just don't see it that way. There may not be NHL success in the standings, but there is success all over the place where our draft picks are playing, not only are they performing, they are performing at a high level for their respected teams.

Even though Pronman doesn't think Bedard is the best under 23 player in the league and doesn't think Nazar will amount to much, he even can't deny us that we have the most over all talent when it comes to 23 and under players.
- BetweenTheDots

There is progress for sure, even if the standings are only slightly improved, the rebuild is moving forward. More young guys progressing towards their NHL shot. Guys who started the year with the AHL team are getting NHL experience. While the product on the ice will be hard to watch at times, we can at least understand these are the growing pains. I know at the start of the season there was concern among fans that the young players wouldn't get minutes, but like I said then, injuries and circumstance have given opportunities.

The positives right now, Soderblom is playing like a decent NHL goalie. Under the new coach Bedard is above a point per game. Teravinen 0.91 P/GP, Bertuzzi 0.78 P/GP, Jones 0.73 P/GP. Have to give Crevier credit, for a guy that probably won't ever rise to be am actual NHL top 4, he has played to his strengths lately.

First of all I expect Carolina will re-sign him.
Second if they dont, I expect he’ll want to play for a contender.
Unless they overpay I can’t see the Hawks getting him. And if they overpay do they risk upsetting their cap budget going forward.
It would be funny if Colorado were toner-sign him.
- paulr

Back to this subject: what if we went about it a different way and offered him 5 x $20M?

Right now, the Hawks have a ton of highly regarded lottery tickets. The fear is that it leads to BUF, DET, or PHI. All have (or had) a lot of high draft picks, and are struggling to get to the "mired in mediocrity" stage. The Hawks have one thing that none of these teams do (Bedard). I'm still of the opinion that they need to build a competitive team around him sooner rather than later so they don't stagnate into what these teams have.
- Chunk

How many rebuilds have immediate results, though? We want something now, it's only human to do so. And we were spoiled by that dynasty. So it must be easier than it seems right now.

Developing a core while not getting bogged down in bad FA contracts, that's the challenge. So many picks don't make it in the NHL, no matter how good a team's scouting department and player development are.

Even if they wanted to build a team primarily through free agency and trades, they still have to contend with not getting first dibs on a given free agent class, and the multitude of players who have this team on their no trade lists. Armchair GM on the hardest setting. We're learning what Columbus and Buffalo have had to deal with for years.

Right now, the Hawks have a ton of highly regarded lottery tickets. The fear is that it leads to BUF, DET, or PHI. All have (or had) a lot of high draft picks, and are struggling to get to the "mired in mediocrity" stage. The Hawks have one thing that none of these teams do (Bedard). I'm still of the opinion that they need to build a competitive team around him sooner rather than later so they don't stagnate into what these teams have.
- Chunk

I think if you look into those teams, Detroit, Buffalo, Philly, they all made moves to try to get get competitive too, but just too many moves that didn't pan out. Moved on from guys who are contributing elsewhere. Getting "mired in medicority" is mostly just about poor asset management, moving the wrong guys at the wrong time for the wrong payoff or return.

Trying to build a more competitive team around Bedard quickly only works well if they make mostly the right moves. If they screw some up, it could actually prolong the process too. Very real chance they shorten the window of having a good team when the goal is to be good for a long time, not get good as quickly as possible.

How many rebuilds have immediate results, though? We want something now, it's only human to do so. And we were spoiled by that dynasty. So it must be easier than it seems right now.

Developing a core while not getting bogged down in bad FA contracts, that's the challenge. So many picks don't make it in the NHL, no matter how good a team's scouting department and player development are.

Even if they wanted to build a team primarily through free agency and trades, they still have to contend with not getting first dibs on a given free agent class, and the multitude of players who have this team on their no trade lists. Armchair GM on the hardest setting. We're learning what Columbus and Buffalo have had to deal with for years.
- 333inthe3rd

I worked for a company whose REAL MOTTO should have been, "no matter how badly we screw the customer it's your job to make the customer see it our way." That's about where KD sits right now. For me it was easy, I quit.

From Bamford. Some of the Q and A from KD’S press conference.

https://www.bleachernatio...ding-getting-better-more/

Right now, the Hawks have a ton of highly regarded lottery tickets. The fear is that it leads to BUF, DET, or PHI. All have (or had) a lot of high draft picks, and are struggling to get to the "mired in mediocrity" stage. The Hawks have one thing that none of these teams do (Bedard). I'm still of the opinion that they need to build a competitive team around him sooner rather than later so they don't stagnate into what these teams have.
- Chunk

I believe that's why they need to try to get their hands on a young top 6 forward up to the start of next season and then doing the same thing the following off season. This way if you do hit on a bunch of draft picks he can always trade those forwards he signed at a later date and actually get something for them instead of the opposite because they got to old and aren't worth their contracts anymore.

I believe that's why they need to try to get their hands on a young top 6 forward up to the start of next season and then doing the same thing the following off season. This way if you do hit on a bunch of draft picks he can always trade those forwards he signed at a later date and actually get something for them instead of the opposite because they got to old and aren't worth their contracts anymore.
- BetweenTheDots

I agree. The Hawks' future is looking pretty promising. But up front most of the young players are either middle 6, lack size, or are a year or two away from management really knowing how good they are going to be (or how bad). An injection of one young top 6 forward (preferably with some size) can really help the Hawks slot their younger players properly and not rush any of them to the NHL.

I think if you look into those teams, Detroit, Buffalo, Philly, they all made moves to try to get get competitive too, but just too many moves that didn't pan out. Moved on from guys who are contributing elsewhere. Getting "mired in medicority" is mostly just about poor asset management, moving the wrong guys at the wrong time for the wrong payoff or return.

Trying to build a more competitive team around Bedard quickly only works well if they make mostly the right moves. If they screw some up, it could actually prolong the process too. Very real chance they shorten the window of having a good team when the goal is to be good for a long time, not get good as quickly as possible.
- breadbag

The Hawks no doubt have quantity in prospects, but not all will be regular NHL players. KD seems to have done a good job accumulating these prospects, now to your point, he needs to figure out how to manage these assets. He hasn’t had an opportunity yet to determine which ones to keep, and which ones to move while they still have value. This will be another step in determining the success of the rebuild. One of the issues is that most of the forward prospects are still in juniors or college, so it’s too early to make that determination, hence while they are a good two years away from competing for a playoff spot. For the board, please note that competing for a playoff spot and actually securing a playoff spot are two different things.

When Nazar is on the ice i do isolate on him to see what he does without the puck, he's Lot more like Hagel than you think.

On a separate note looking forward to Vanacker and Lardis making their way up the ranks.
- BetweenTheDots

Dots, IMO the similarity you see between Hagel and Nazar are that they are both high IQ players. These kinds can be different size and have different traits but their excellent IQ's do make these kinds similar. ...... They're good hockey players.

I was taken aback by Nazar in his 3-4 game look late last yr. I never saw the extent of his IQ at either the NTDP or U of MI but man this kid made plays in all 3 zones most every shift in the Bigs.

I believe that's why they need to try to get their hands on a young top 6 forward up to the start of next season and then doing the same thing the following off season. This way if you do hit on a bunch of draft picks he can always trade those forwards he signed at a later date and actually get something for them instead of the opposite because they got to old and aren't worth their contracts anymore.
- BetweenTheDots

Dots, just curious, who are you getting rid off for this young top six?

Dots, just curious, who are you getting rid off for this young top six?
- Angotti

As KD says they aren't forced to make a move but if all of a sudden a team has a younger player and want to deal him I'm all ears. Free agency would be another avenue but paying a guy late into 30s worries me, maybe do a 4 or 5 year, we'll see but i am keeping my ears open and would make a deal that makes sense for the future of the rebuild.

If the Canucks and Boeser can't come to an agreement, i don't know how his all around game is, but if it is acceptable, throw them a 3rd before he's FA and negotiate a deal with him.

We all agree he is the best ehad coach candidate?

"David Carle may be a generational head coaching prospect. After earning his head coaching job at the University of Denver at 28 years old, Carle has led the Pioneers to two national championships."

Let’s see if the Hawks can build on a good effort, continue to play fast, hard, inspired hockey and use some of that energy to cut down and limit the Wild’s time in their zone and reducing the shots and chances against. I’m also interested to watch the continued chemistry between Nazar and Bedard.
- paulr

I agree with you on the TB game. With 4 kid prospects in the top 4, Bedard, Nazar, Dach and Reichel, this team showed an up tempo go go style and SC-116 is right that TB had no answer for the overall speed the Hawks iced for 5 minute stretches.

Add 4 kid Dmen, Del Mastro, Vlasic, Crevier and Allan and we got our biggest glimpse yet at the big league level of KD's vision in that TB game.

And BB is right to the extent that it was only a matter of time the TB structure dictated the outcome. Same way MN did and Carolina does to skilled but youngish flawed lineups. No surprise, but the Hawks showed speed, hunger and skill for sure.

Watching I wondered if I was seeing the rebuild move to the next phase. ...... No matter, the roster and coaches got a taste of playing high tempo and it was effective for stretches. We'll see more.

If the Canucks and Boeser can't come to an agreement, i don't know how his all around game is, but if it is acceptable, throw them a 3rd before he's FA and negotiate a deal with him.
- BetweenTheDots

As cool at nabbing Rantanen would be, Boeser or Ehlers would be great gets. I've seen contract estimates of $7.5-8.5M per for Boeser, which I think is really reasonable. His 200' game is good enough, but he's really productive overall.

We all agree he is the best ehad coach candidate?

"David Carle may be a generational head coaching prospect. After earning his head coaching job at the University of Denver at 28 years old, Carle has led the Pioneers to two national championships."
- wiz1901

And back to back gold medals. He's definitely the most exciting. The concern is wanting someone who has more true NHL experience. There isn't really much out there that would be all that interesting from an "experienced" coach standpoint. Woodcroft? Boudreau? Gallant? Q?

As cool at nabbing Rantanen would be, Boeser or Ehlers would be great gets. I've seen contract estimates of $7.5-8.5M per for Boeser, which I think is really reasonable. His 200' game is good enough, but he's really productive overall.
- Chunk

Boeser would be nice, a tad older at 28 but a big, good skating winger who plays in the tough areas. But there’s no way Vancouver is letting him get away especially considering Petersson or Miller are likely going to be moved.

Boeser would be nice, a tad older at 28 but a big, good skating winger who plays in the tough areas. But there’s no way Vancouver is letting him get away especially considering Petersson or Miller are likely going to be moved.
- paulr

I'm gonna go with the "he doesn't want to be there anymore", so he'll 100% want to join the Hawks angle.

And back to back gold medals. He's definitely the most exciting. The concern is wanting someone who has more true NHL experience. There isn't really much out there that would be all that interesting from an "experienced" coach standpoint. Woodcroft? Boudreau? Gallant? Q?
- Chunk

I’m not a big Boudreau fan, he was the coach who allowed Ovechkin to float, and take two and three minute shifts, instead of demanding he play a two way game. Players love him but I don’t think he’s a strong technical coach or tactician. I like Gallant but he seems to always have a short “best before” date. I’m thinking Carle is the guy I’d like to see the team go for.