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6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Mar 1 @ 11:45 AM ET
Different players. I don’t see many similarities. Dcat is far more feisty and physical. Debrincat can score off the rush, he can snipe from the hash marks and he’ll get his nose dirty in front of the net looking for deflections and rebounds. Lardis will arrive at the net looking for the puck but it’s unlikely he’ll camp out there. Lardis mostly looks for open spots Dcat will get open and he’ll jostle for position.
- paulr



Great breakdown, you'd make a good scout.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 1 @ 12:02 PM ET
Different players. I don’t see many similarities. Dcat is far more feisty and physical. Debrincat can score off the rush, he can snipe from the hash marks and he’ll get his nose dirty in front of the net looking for deflections and rebounds. Lardis will arrive at the net looking for the puck but it’s unlikely he’ll camp out there. Lardis mostly looks for open spots Dcat will get open and he’ll jostle for position.
- paulr


Does Lardis show some of that fiesty/physical? Or is it just nonexistent in his game?

Who’s a good NHL comp? Gonna have to go watch some Lardis videos lol.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Mar 1 @ 12:56 PM ET
Sullivan is all too familiar with the sh!t show behind the scenes here. He was a scout for the hawks when Pit hired him. My guess is he ain't comin back. Be nice if he did though.
- 6628



How have you been? Good to see you out here!
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Mar 1 @ 1:47 PM ET
Does Lardis show some of that fiesty/physical? Or is it just nonexistent in his game?

Who’s a good NHL comp? Gonna have to go watch some Lardis videos lol.

- bhawks2241



No, Lardis isn’t physical or feisty. He hasn’t shown he’s afraid to play in tough areas but he’s inclined to find open areas on the ice. He’ll forecheck, he’ll engage in puck battles but his goal is to strip pucks away rather than put guys on their ass. But if Brantford should play London in the playoffs you know Hunter will have guys go after Lardis physically, like they did against Parekh in last year’s playoffs. Parekh didn’t have the stomach to play in that series after being pummeled a few times. I’m curious if Lardis will play through that especially after getting roughed up a few times. That should indicate if he’s capable of making the step in the pros.

My comparison is Ovechkin, great shot, quick release, he sets up in the same areas on the ice. He’s not going to be remotely close to playing Ovie’s physical game.

Here are a few clips of Lardis including an interview.


https://youtu.be/VoSbQM_SbxQ?si=BgXuo-E577Gj0_Uh

https://youtu.be/-AJnnPpC1p0?si=izyM4cS4s6v75vun

https://youtu.be/T98PS3WDYDo?si=4veTPy_dh2AR2i5P

https://youtu.be/81uExAKxhno?si=IXbWyXLH7wN8UY0o
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 1 @ 2:29 PM ET
Different players. I don’t see many similarities. Dcat is far more feisty and physical. Debrincat can score off the rush, he can snipe from the hash marks and he’ll get his nose dirty in front of the net looking for deflections and rebounds. Lardis will arrive at the net looking for the puck but it’s unlikely he’ll camp out there. Lardis mostly looks for open spots Dcat will get open and he’ll jostle for position.
- paulr

Agreed and that’s why it’s tough to say how his game will translate in AHL w/out so many open spots. He doesn’t really do much else well and floats a lot.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Mar 1 @ 3:15 PM ET
Agreed and that’s why it’s tough to say how his game will translate in AHL w/out so many open spots. He doesn’t really do much else well and floats a lot.
- Assman22

Lardis has great on ice vision and his hockey IQ is very good. He doesn’t camp out in open ice he moves around and finds open seams. There is always open ice to be found regardless of league. I like that he moves around and gets to open ice, be it in front of the net, in the slot or on the half boards. I will disagree about him not doing much else well, he can carry the puck, he’s an an exceptional passer and he kills penalties. Although a sniper isn’t my kind of player, there’s lots of room in the NHL for them. What Lardis can do, finding open ice and being able to get a hard accurate shot off lightning fast release, is unteachable. I do agree his future is uncertain. The first test comes in the OHL playoffs and possibly the Memorial Cup. Lardis will be targeted, he will be roughed up, he will be attacked after whistles. If he can handle that the next test will be how he reacts when he gets to Rockford. Then of course the biggest test of all when/if he gets to the NHL.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Mar 1 @ 3:20 PM ET
A couple of trades today, someone wake up KD…
totem
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Seattle, WA
Joined: 06.14.2017

Mar 1 @ 3:23 PM ET
From watching just a few highlights, Lardis and Kantserov look similar on offense. I am wondering if they are similar enough that they are competing for the same spot.

Assuming both pan out, can you have them both in the same NHL lineup, or will one be traded to fill a different need?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkQMeXcYmRA&t=9s
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 1 @ 3:39 PM ET
From watching just a few highlights, Lardis and Kantserov look similar on offense. I am wondering if they are similar enough that they are competing for the same spot.

Assuming both pan out, can you have them both in the same NHL lineup, or will one be traded to fill a different need?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkQMeXcYmRA&t=9s

- totem

Kantserov plays the whole sheet, better forecheck, active defensively, high motor, solid all-around player.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 1 @ 3:52 PM ET
A couple of trades today, someone wake up KD…
- Angotti

Only saw the Avs/Rangers trade. Was there another today?
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Mar 1 @ 3:53 PM ET
How have you been? Good to see you out here!
- SteveRain



Hi Rain, hard to believe but this is the 10th season since I backed away from my involvement in the game. I still watch on tv and I always will, but I only get to maybe one game a year and that's ok with me. With a couple of grandkids now I have other things to do. Although I still check in to view this site, most of what I read is about prospects who I've never seen play. So I am not qualified to give an opinion on the kids. I know after hanging out at the old and new buildings for 46 seasons that there will be ups and downs. Sure they are down now and I'm with you and others here thinking that this summer is very important for KD and management in general. I've seen them get back up multiple times but not with this management in place. They have a lot to prove. There is a line that divides patience from foolishness and they are getting closer to that line all the time. Hawks need to reward the people that spend their hard earned bucks for ridiculously priced tickets and at the shopping mall that is the UC these days. I wish them luck. So take care and know I'll be hiding in the weeds ready to pot shot anyone I don't agree with. Take care.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Mar 1 @ 4:05 PM ET
Kantserov plays the whole sheet, better forecheck, active defensively, high motor, solid all-around player.
- Assman22

And Kantserov is currently putting up good numbers against men. Because of the similarities in their game I can’t see a situation where Kantserov and Lardis are in the same lineup. The Hawks are going to need trade pieces, I’d guess one of them will become that. And if Kantserov‘s game is more complete, he’s already proven he can play against men, then that would leave Lardis as the odd man out.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Mar 1 @ 4:20 PM ET
And Kantserov is currently putting up good numbers against men. Because of the similarities in their game I can’t see a situation where Kantserov and Lardis are in the same lineup. The Hawks are going to need trade pieces, I’d guess one of them will become that. And if Kantserov‘s game is more complete, he’s already proven he can play against men, then that would leave Lardis as the odd man out.
- paulr


I don't understand this thought process?

If they both become effective NHL players how is there not a roster spot for both of them?

If Lardis can score 20 to 30 goals per year, and Kansterov can do the same why trade away one of them?

If 2 guys can get you about 50 goals total per year drafted outside the 1st round how do you not find a spot on the roster especially if both become defensively responsible.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Mar 1 @ 4:45 PM ET
And honestly if Lardis doesn't play defense, then why is he on the penalty kill?

That coach must not know what he's doing.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Mar 1 @ 5:12 PM ET
And honestly if Lardis doesn't play defense, then why is he on the penalty kill?

That coach must not know what he's doing.

- BetweenTheDots

Dots don’t take everything so literally, Lardis can play defensively, Assman said Kantserov was better. I’ve mentioned on many occasions Lardis is decent defensively and getting better. (I haven’t seen Kantserov to make a judgement) On the penalty kill Lardis’ speed pushes the other team, forces them into mistakes and if they opponent makes a mistake or a point man vacates Lardis has the speed and scoring ability for shorties.

Look at prospects two ways, one is to eventually make the team, the other is as a trade chip. If the hawks can get another player in the top four and the cost is Lardis or Kantserov, Toronto’s first and one of the Hawk’s defensive prospects or if Lardis or Kantserov and Toronto’s first can acquire a good, young NHL player you have to look at it.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:23 PM ET
And honestly if Lardis doesn't play defense, then why is he on the penalty kill?

That coach must not know what he's doing.

- BetweenTheDots

He will fit right in here ,with a Know nothing coach . Why is Reichel given such a raw deal ,I know I see fewer games then most and with his lack of playing time even less of him, but what I have seen I though he looked ok . I just know he and Jones will come back to haunt us, after both are given away for next to nothing .Less then nothing for Jones as Rocket scientist ED will most likely be stuck with most of the cap.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:26 PM ET
Dots don’t take everything so literally, Lardis can play defensively, Assman said Kantserov was better. I’ve mentioned on many occasions Lardis is decent defensively and getting better. (I haven’t seen Kantserov to make a judgement) On the penalty kill Lardis’ speed pushes the other team, forces them into mistakes and if they opponent makes a mistake or a point man vacates Lardis has the speed and scoring ability for shorties.

Look at prospects two ways, one is to eventually make the team, the other is as a trade chip. If the hawks can get another player in the top four and the cost is Lardis or Kantserov, Toronto’s first and one of the Hawk’s defensive prospects or if Lardis or Kantserov and Toronto’s first can acquire a good, young NHL player you have to look at it.

- paulr

Like Marner in TO, on the PK. Marner soon to be a HAWK
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Mar 1 @ 5:42 PM ET
No, Lardis isn’t physical or feisty. He hasn’t shown he’s afraid to play in tough areas but he’s inclined to find open areas on the ice. He’ll forecheck, he’ll engage in puck battles but his goal is to strip pucks away rather than put guys on their ass. But if Brantford should play London in the playoffs you know Hunter will have guys go after Lardis physically, like they did against Parekh in last year’s playoffs. Parekh didn’t have the stomach to play in that series after being pummeled a few times. I’m curious if Lardis will play through that especially after getting roughed up a few times. That should indicate if he’s capable of making the step in the pros.

My comparison is Ovechkin, great shot, quick release, he sets up in the same areas on the ice. He’s not going to be remotely close to playing Ovie’s physical game.

Here are a few clips of Lardis including an interview.


https://youtu.be/VoSbQM_SbxQ?si=BgXuo-E577Gj0_Uh

https://youtu.be/-AJnnPpC1p0?si=izyM4cS4s6v75vun

https://youtu.be/T98PS3WDYDo?si=4veTPy_dh2AR2i5P

https://youtu.be/81uExAKxhno?si=IXbWyXLH7wN8UY0o

- paulr

Here's my scouting report. Ovechkin is built like Rob Gronkowski. Lardis more like Robbie Gould.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Mar 1 @ 5:44 PM ET
He will fit right in here ,with a Know nothing coach . Why is Reichel given such a raw deal ,I know I see fewer games then most and with his lack of playing time even less of him, but what I have seen I though he looked ok . I just know he and Jones will come back to haunt us, after both are given away for next to nothing .Less then nothing for Jones as Rocket scientist ED will most likely be stuck with most of the cap.
- oldduffman

You don't see the big picture is what they always told me when I worked for GM.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Mar 1 @ 5:52 PM ET
Like Marner in TO, on the PK. Marner soon to be a HAWK
- oldduffman

Marner is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. Marner’s problem is when the playoffs start he plays a very timid game.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:53 PM ET
No, Lardis isn’t physical or feisty. He hasn’t shown he’s afraid to play in tough areas but he’s inclined to find open areas on the ice. He’ll forecheck, he’ll engage in puck battles but his goal is to strip pucks away rather than put guys on their ass. But if Brantford should play London in the playoffs you know Hunter will have guys go after Lardis physically, like they did against Parekh in last year’s playoffs. Parekh didn’t have the stomach to play in that series after being pummeled a few times. I’m curious if Lardis will play through that especially after getting roughed up a few times. That should indicate if he’s capable of making the step in the pros.

My comparison is Ovechkin, great shot, quick release, he sets up in the same areas on the ice. He’s not going to be remotely close to playing Ovie’s physical game.

Here are a few clips of Lardis including an interview.


https://youtu.be/VoSbQM_SbxQ?si=BgXuo-E577Gj0_Uh

https://youtu.be/-AJnnPpC1p0?si=izyM4cS4s6v75vun

https://youtu.be/T98PS3WDYDo?si=4veTPy_dh2AR2i5P

https://youtu.be/81uExAKxhno?si=IXbWyXLH7wN8UY0o

- paulr



Sweet! Thanks for the clips I’ll take a look.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 1 @ 6:19 PM ET
Dots don’t take everything so literally, Lardis can play defensively, Assman said Kantserov was better. I’ve mentioned on many occasions Lardis is decent defensively and getting better. (I haven’t seen Kantserov to make a judgement) On the penalty kill Lardis’ speed pushes the other team, forces them into mistakes and if they opponent makes a mistake or a point man vacates Lardis has the speed and scoring ability for shorties.

Look at prospects two ways, one is to eventually make the team, the other is as a trade chip. If the hawks can get another player in the top four and the cost is Lardis or Kantserov, Toronto’s first and one of the Hawk’s defensive prospects or if Lardis or Kantserov and Toronto’s first can acquire a good, young NHL player you have to look at it.

- paulr

Last year, Lardis did not care about defense. It wasn’t that he couldn’t, he just preferred to cherry pick. Kyle from wherever challenged him this offseason to be a more complete player. On defense this season, he still has poor positioning often times and gets burned occasionally but he’s so active with his stick going for turnovers like Peanut on da bears back in the day.
Also helps Vanacker plays PK w/ Lardis and is a puck hound. Vanacker and Spellacy are stud PK guys and both tied fir 4th in OHL w/ 5 shorties this season. Rockford will be loaded next season.
totem
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Seattle, WA
Joined: 06.14.2017

Mar 1 @ 6:43 PM ET
TODAY'S TANKATHON

SEA jumps up to #1, PIT to #2. CHI drops to #4.

4 Seattle
5 Pittsburgh
1 San Jose
2 Chicago
3 Nashville
6 Buffalo
7 Philadelphia
8 Anaheim
9 St. Louis
10 Montreal
11 NY Islanders
12 Boston

Given the above, would you do the following trade?

To PHI:
CHI 2025 1st (#4)
CHI 2025 2nd (from Dallas)
CHI 2025 4th (from NYR)

To CHI:
PHI 2025 1st (#7)
B. Brink
T. Foerster
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 1 @ 6:46 PM ET
Given the above, would you do the following trade?

To PHI:
CHI 2025 1st (#4)
CHI 2025 2nd (from Dallas)
CHI 2025 4th (from NYR)

To CHI:
PHI 2025 1st (#7)
B. Brink
T. Foerster

- totem

Take it easy Totem, you’re gonna give Scott wood
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Mar 1 @ 6:52 PM ET
Last year, Lardis did not care about defense. It wasn’t that he couldn’t, he just preferred to cherry pick. Kyle from wherever challenged him this offseason to be a more complete player. On defense this season, he still has poor positioning often times and gets burned occasionally but he’s so active with his stick going for turnovers like Peanut on da bears back in the day.
Also helps Vanacker plays PK w/ Lardis and is a puck hound. Vanacker and Spellacy are stud PK guys and both tied fir 4th in OHL w/ 5 shorties this season. Rockford will be loaded next season.

- Assman22

Not sure where you get your info? Spellacy and Vanacker have one short handed goal apiece so far this season. Jack Pridham has one as well. I’ve never seen Vanacker and Lardis kill penalties together. Lardis’ positioning defensively is very good, he typically plays the right side of the puck. What Lardis doesn’t do is play any type of physical game. Spellacy isn’t having a great season production wise. He’s playing a good overall game but his scoring hasn’t improved much from last season.

Who will be in Rockford next season? Spellacy and Vanacker won’t be playing there. Are some of the college kids confirmed to be signing with the Hawks?
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