Spellacy warmed on Saturday in Milwaukee but did not play. He is big. Marino handled Allan pretty well when Allan went in after a big hit. Not sure how he would do against Bennett. Have not seen Boisvert, Pridham, Vanacker, or Henry play or fight yet. Rinzel and Vlasic don't strike me as guys who have a lot of fighting experience or anger. I think EDM is going to have to start fighting if he is going to carve out a spot on the Hawks.
- stevefrmglencoe

Geez Steve you sure bring up all the angles to try to make KD look incompetent.

Did you not learn anything with a GM and coach you found acceptable? Those 2013 and 2015 teams had few fighters and weren’t physical at all. They won because they were mentally tough. No one could intimidate them. And in 2013 they went to the finals against Boston with a fourth line of guys who could play, weren’t tough but couldn’t be intimidated. And in an ironic twist Boston’s tough fourth line got little playing time because they were unable to keep up.

Who can win in a fight is irrelevant considering fighting is pretty rare these days. So long as KD acquires players who can play in any situation and can’t be intimidated the Hawks will be fine. However a guy who’s father is a boxing coach and who has boxed his whole life I’m guessing not many players will want to tangle with Boisvert in a few years.

Geez Steve you sure bring up all the angles to try to make KD look incompetent.

Did you not learn anything with a GM and coach you found acceptable? Those 2013 and 2015 teams had few fighters and weren’t physical at all. They won because they were mentally tough. No one could intimidate them. And in 2013 they went to the finals against Boston with a fourth line of guys who could play, weren’t tough but couldn’t be intimidated. And in an ironic twist Boston’s tough fourth line got little playing time because they were unable to keep up.

Who can win in a fight is irrelevant considering fighting is pretty rare these days. So long as KD acquires players who can play in any situation and can’t be intimidated the Hawks will be fine. However a guy who’s father is a boxing coach and who has boxed his whole life I’m guessing not many players will want to tangle with Boisvert in a few years.
- paulr

He did say anger too lol but yes I think its guys that play with and edge and will bring out the nasty when needed v. just being fighters.

Lev has it. EMD has it. Maybe Dach. Need a few more guys with that edge. Bedard has it a bit too but he looks like a kid against men when he tries.

The cup teams had it. Whether it be lining someone up, taking a few cheap shots in a scrum, or some nasty stick work. Need some of that come playoff time. Bolland on Jumbo Joe in 2010. I swear Bolland hooked or slashed him every chance he could when officials weren't looking.

Man Bennett is what a healthy Bolland would've been imo. Bennett is a nasty SOB but he rarely is out their chirping away. Just goes about his business being an SOB and chips in offensively, especially in the playoffs, where his PPG is significantly higher.

Hate playing against him but would love him on the Hawks.

Geez Steve you sure bring up all the angles to try to make KD look incompetent.

Did you not learn anything with a GM and coach you found acceptable? Those 2013 and 2015 teams had few fighters and weren’t physical at all. They won because they were mentally tough. No one could intimidate them. And in 2013 they went to the finals against Boston with a fourth line of guys who could play, weren’t tough but couldn’t be intimidated. And in an ironic twist Boston’s tough fourth line got little playing time because they were unable to keep up.

Who can win in a fight is irrelevant considering fighting is pretty rare these days. So long as KD acquires players who can play in any situation and can’t be intimidated the Hawks will be fine. However a guy who’s father is a boxing coach and who has boxed his whole life I’m guessing not many players will want to tangle with Boisvert in a few years.
- paulr

I thought the 13 Cup team had Bolland, Shaw, Seabrook, Bickell, and Keith. Those guys would fight when needed.

I thought the 13 Cup team had Bolland, Shaw, Seabrook, Bickell, and Keith. Those guys would fight when needed.
- stevefrmglencoe

Oh so now it’s players who will fight? I thought your concern was players who could beat up Bennett?

He did say anger too lol but yes I think its guys that play with and edge and will bring out the nasty when needed v. just being fighters.

Lev has it. EMD has it. Maybe Dach. Need a few more guys with that edge. Bedard has it a bit too but he looks like a kid against men when he tries.

The cup teams had it. Whether it be lining someone up, taking a few cheap shots in a scrum, or some nasty stick work. Need some of that come playoff time. Bolland on Jumbo Joe in 2010. I swear Bolland hooked or slashed him every chance he could when officials weren't looking.

Man Bennett is what a healthy Bolland would've been imo. Bennett is a nasty SOB but he rarely is out their chirping away. Just goes about his business being an SOB and chips in offensively, especially in the playoffs, where his PPG is significantly higher.

Hate playing against him but would love him on the Hawks.
- bhawks2241

Remember Bennett was a top four pick, who didn't score 18 goals until he was in the league for his 9th year. although he always had a crusty, froggy side, he now has perfected his game ti where he is a 40 point player who plays with an edge.

Another testimony to becoming an NHL impact player you define for role whether it is scorer, checker, enegry player or all around SOB that helpd you win.

All that is important to me, Steve, is that I can kick your ass.

We can embrace the ups & downs of the good ship Blackhawk while it tries to enlist seaman who can weather through development and be successful.

At this point I bet everybody from Lil Frankie to Connor think they need to get better, and I loved the taste they gave that large part of their Rockford crew, which can watch tonight as they work on their games.

I have really have no skin in the game as to whom they will pick (except that personally I thought Misa was long term fit as a skilled big kid) even though I have to rank them in mocks.

It is very true that some teams do get it right even drafting later. like Dallas did with plucking a NHL centre in Wyatt Johnson, after 21 teams didn't see it, swinging for the fences with guys they HOPED would become stars....
or the pundits (and Jim59), feeling they don't draft an Anton Lundell, because eof "upside."
what is your goal when your team picks?
Sometimes it is better to take the solid guy who teams may not see the runway to Mars with their trajectory.

So a team doesn't just isolate your 17-18 year game toughness from you ability to read / react and skate like a pro, no matter what your skating speed is now being projected.
You gotta feel the character will increase the assurances he works to BE a NHL player.

At three, you make sure you get a player, not a guy whose best traits can be isolated in descriptions (that relate more to their junior hockey achievements.)


Let's build a bull pen of players who CAN possibly BE NHLers, and we get/draft the tough kid when we know we ARE a playoff club....

Remember Bennett was a top four pick, who didn't score 18 goals until he was in the league for his 9th year. although he always had a crusty, froggy side, he now has perfected his game ti where he is a 40 point player who plays with an edge.

Another testimony to becoming an NHL impact player you define for role whether it is scorer, checker, enegry player or all around SOB that helpd you win.

All that is important to me, Steve, is that I can kick your ass.

We can embrace the ups & downs of the good ship Blackhawk while it tries to enlist seaman who can weather through development and be successful.

At this point I bet everybody from Lil Frankie to Connor think they need to get better, and I loved the taste they gave that large part of their Rockford crew, which can watch tonight as they work on their games.

I have really have no skin in the game as to whom they will pick (except that personally I thought Misa was long term fit as a skilled big kid) even though I have to rank them in mocks.

It is very true that some teams do get it right even drafting later. like Dallas did with plucking a NHL centre in Wyatt Johnson, after 21 teams didn't see it, swinging for the fences with guys they HOPED would become stars....
or the pundits (and Jim59), feeling they don't draft an Anton Lundell, because eof "upside."
what is your goal when your team picks?
Sometimes it is better to take the solid guy who teams may not see the runway to Mars with their trajectory.

So a team doesn't just isolate your 17-18 year game toughness from you abilty to read / react and skate like a pro, no matter what your skating speed is now being projected.
You gotta feel the character will increase the assurances he works to BE a NHL player.

At three you make sure you get a player, not a guy whose best traits can be isolated in descriptions (that relate more to their junior hockey achievements.
- wiz1901

Remember the year Bennett was in the combine and people were freaking because he was unable to do a single pull up? Kinda shows the combine is a very small way to rank players.

Remember the year Bennett was in the combine and people were freaking because he was unable to do a single pull up? Kinda shows the combine is a very small way to rank players.
- paulr

LOL

I thought that was Casey Middlestadt who said that it did matter if he could play hockey?

Oh so now it’s players who will fight? I thought your concern was players who could beat up Bennett?
- paulr

Those guys played angry. They were not afraid. They fought when needed. They were amazing to watch. I hope that we get to watch some hockey that is similar soon.

LOL

I thought that was Casey Middlestadt who said that it did matter if he could play hockey?
- wiz1901

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Middlestat had a point.

LOL

I thought that was Casey Middlestadt who said that it did matter if he could play hockey?
- wiz1901

Bennett had a separated shoulder and could not do a pull up.

Those guys played angry. They were not afraid. They fought when needed. They were amazing to watch. I hope that we get to watch some hockey that is similar soon.
- stevefrmglencoe

That was exactly my point. I pointed to a number of guys who could play tough and your reply was if they could beat Bennett.

That was exactly my point. I pointed to a number of guys who could play tough and your reply was if they could beat Bennett.
- paulr

You think Vlasic would stand up to Bennet or wait for a linesman to get between them and then hang around?

I love reading whatever you post because you know the juniors and you have passion.

One opinion I would like you to post about if you want is how negative you have been about Marner and Matthews. You have been very outspoken about not wanting them on your team.

Granted they have only one 1 round and it was against a wild card team but each guy is over a point a game and playing a more responsible style under a proven veteran coach.

Are you still of the opinion that you don't want them on your team?

We can dream that the Hawks sign him or anyone of his caliber in the offseason. The only signing like that from KD screwed something and ended up on Edmonton's first line last night.
- stevefrmglencoe

It wasn't just last night. Perry has been on a line with McDavid and Draisaitl basically the entire playoffs so far. It's worked out pretty well too, kind of proof that you don't need to be fast to play with fast or skilled players.

It wasn't just last night. Perry has been on a line with McDavid and Draisaitl basically the entire playoffs so far. It's worked out pretty well too, kind of proof that you don't need to be fast to play with fast or skilled players.
- breadbag

And we got nothing for him.

And we got nothing for him.
- stevefrmglencoe

He had to be let go after what happened in Columbus. It really wasn't a choice, but more of an HR issue.

Nazar had a strong finish for sure. Hoping his speed keeps him dangerous. Half of NHL players regress after their first year as the league figures out how to handle them. We will see.
- stevefrmglencoe

Will Nazar take another step or will his first year be a fluke and he’s Lukas Reichel. I doubt the latter. Nazar was also a threat on the PK and if you look at his numbers creating his own scoring chances it’s pretty impressive.

Also, Nazar finally looks like he’s all the way back from hip surgery. Time will tell but I hope your pallet for crow is strong.

I remember when the Hawks drafted a 6'4" bruiser from Hull that everyone was convinced was going to be a Secord-like star. Could not miss. Eric Lecompte missed. The prospects are always shinny and new until they start playing. It is pretty early to tell on your side or my dark cloud side. Love watching it. Love the back and forth on HB.
- stevefrmglencoe

Credit where credit is due. Like Truegrit used to talk about trading paint, at least you don’t take your ball and go home like Edzo and some other HB board “heavyweights" when someone disagrees with you.

That said, Eric Lecompte??? Come on Steve. When you mentioned him, I was like ok, I remember the Hawks drafting him in the 1st round in like the 90’s, but did he even play a dozen games in the NHL?

If you took the under you’d be correct. He played exactly zero NHL games. I loved some of the names of the teams he was on though…Cincy Mighty Ducks, Asiago HC, Worcester Ice Cats and my fave the Thetford Mines Isothermic.

Anyway…my point being, Nazar played in 53 games and by the end of the season he was pretty much inarguably the Hawks best player.

Arty came up and the debate was whether to send him down after 9 games so his contract slid. He made it hard for them to do and he stayed.

Rinzel came up and pretty much from the hop looked like their best dman.

While growth isn’t always linear if you only continue to see darkness at the end of the tunnel, my guess is that’s all you’ll ever see. And if that’s the case I’m sending Paul over to give you a hug.

He had to be let go after what happened in Columbus. It really wasn't a choice, but more of an HR issue.
- wizardofi

Can you think of any other similar situation in the NHL? They couldn't have sent him home and arranged a deal?

Credit where credit is due. Like Truegrit used to talk about trading paint, at least you don’t take your ball and go home like Edzo and some other HB board “heavyweights" when someone disagrees with you.

That said, Eric Lecompte??? Come on Steve. When you mentioned him, I was like ok, I remember the Hawks drafting him in the 1st round in like the 90’s, but did he even play a dozen games in the NHL?

If you took the under you’d be correct. He played exactly zero NHL games. I loved some of the names of the teams he was on though…Cincy Mighty Ducks, Asiago HC, Worcester Ice Cats and my fave the Thetford Mines Isothermic.

Anyway…my point being, Nazar played in 53 games and by the end of the season he was pretty much inarguably the Hawks best player.

Arty came up and the debate was whether to send him down after 9 games so his contract slid. He made it hard for them to do and he stayed.

Rinzel came up and pretty much from the hop looked like their best dman.

While growth isn’t always linear if you only continue to see darkness at the end of the tunnel, my guess is that’s all you’ll ever see. And if that’s the case I’m sending Paul over to give you a hug.
- HawkintheD

I would love to watch games with any of you guys with strong opinions. The UC isn't the same with Wiz in FLA.

Can you think of any other similar situation in the NHL? They couldn't have sent him home and arranged a deal?
- stevefrmglencoe

No, but after the Beech incident I can understand why the organization did what it did. It wasn't just on KD.

That doesn’t fit the narrative pallie.
- HawkintheD

Spellacy warmed on Saturday in Milwaukee but did not play. He is big. Marino handled Allan pretty well when Allan went in after a big hit. Not sure how he would do against Bennett. Have not seen Boisvert, Pridham, Vanacker, or Henry play or fight yet. Rinzel and Vlasic don't strike me as guys who have a lot of fighting experience or anger. I think EDM is going to have to start fighting if he is going to carve out a spot on the Hawks.
- stevefrmglencoe

I think Vlasic would just pummel somebody if they tried. Rinzel I don't see as a "tough guy" just because he's tall.

Can you think of any other similar situation in the NHL? They couldn't have sent him home and arranged a deal?
- stevefrmglencoe

Are we really discussing whether we should have gotten something for Correy Perry? To refresh, he was making $4M and we did not have a retainage spot to waste.

I thought the 13 Cup team had Bolland, Shaw, Seabrook, Bickell, and Keith. Those guys would fight when needed.
- stevefrmglencoe

If you watched game 1 vs Milwaukee Allan threw down with a guy twice his size and i think he's part of the future of this team.

Didn't get anything for Perry, hahaha, read the (frank)ing room, he did something that required HR to get involved, hahaha

Credit where credit is due. Like Truegrit used to talk about trading paint, at least you don’t take your ball and go home like Edzo and some other HB board “heavyweights" when someone disagrees with you.


Anyway…my point being, Nazar played in 53 games and by the end of the season he was pretty much inarguably the Hawks best player.
- HawkintheD

I am sure some Online Hockey Journalist will argue in a column or u_tube.

Arty came up and the debate was whether to send him down after 9 games so his contract slid. He made it hard for them to do and he stayed.
- HawkintheD

He is staying just where?


After Arty's end of the game-or-game ending wild horse-hooves, he cause a stampede (with what looked like K Korchinski tossed the othe player into the crowd or attempted it?), I don't want Arty to NHL ice until learns to play AHL pro game, because, like his participation in his recent Chicago audition that end of 3rd Pd stupid penalty was uncalled for while there was time left until the buzzer was Arty looking undisciplined to winning, because the tone was set in the Mayday game where Kyle Marino sees Nolan Allan make a bad pass to Hogs captain Brent Seney who has no time to avoid the hit by Kyle Marino.

Nolan ends up tries to fight Marino who had about 150 pims this and his pro career has always is pim-littered; years in college @ Anchorange-Fairbanks NAAA were penalty-filled as his young play in W. Kelowna.

Rinzel came up and pretty much from the hop looked like their best dman.
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- HawkintheD

If Coach Richardson was returned to the bench, would Rinzel want boxing added to his training regimen.