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HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 14 @ 3:07 PM ET
Hawks had Dach, Hagel, DeBrinkat, but KD decided to trade them away.
- LAHawk


Now you’re just being willfully BOD’ish. Dach was starting to look like he might not live up to draft status and oft injured. Are you upset that they flipped him for pick 13 which turned into Nazar?

With what 91 was putting on tape last year, I’m not at all. Jury is still out but this looks like a trade the Hawks won.

I liked Hagel but anyone on this board tells me that they knew he was a 30G guy, you’re absolutely full of poop. Are you mad about getting 2 firsts that turned into pick what was it like 19 in ’23 and 20 in ’24. I’m not and still looks like it has the potential to be a win/win trade to me.

Dinky’s a nice player but he also wasn’t as young as any of the players I mentioned other than Vatrano.

Edit - Didn’t realize Terry was about the same age as Dinky, but either way who cares, not sure why you and the other guy are still crying over spilt milk.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 14 @ 3:23 PM ET
2 GM's start at the same time, one is at it 6 years, the other 3, got it.
- LAHawk


One guy felt he had pieces he could build around, the other didn’t and blew it up. It’s really not that hard to understand.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 14 @ 3:33 PM ET
After David Carle decided to stay at UD I haven’t heard anything about a new coach. I wonder what’s going on there?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 14 @ 3:34 PM ET
Now you’re just being willfully BOD’ish. Dach was starting to look like he might not live up to draft status and oft injured. Are you upset that they flipped him for pick 13 which turned into Nazar?

With what 91 was putting on tape last year, I’m not at all. Jury is still out but this looks like a trade the Hawks won.

I liked Hagel but anyone on this board tells me that they knew he was a 30G guy, you’re absolutely full of poop. Are you mad about getting 2 firsts that turned into pick what was it like 19 in ’23 and 20 in ’24. I’m not and still looks like it has the potential to be a win/win trade to me.

Dinky’s a nice player but he also wasn’t as young as any of the players I mentioned other than Vatrano.

Edit - Didn’t realize Terry was about the same age as Dinky, but either way who cares, not sure why you and the other guy are still crying over spilt milk.

- HawkintheD


Because I'm bored... and right.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 14 @ 3:36 PM ET
Because I'm bored... and right.

- Chunk


Ha! I was beginning to think LA and Steve were the same person.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 14 @ 3:39 PM ET
After David Carle decided to stay at UD I haven’t heard anything about a new coach. I wonder what’s going on there?
- paulr


Seems like a lot of people are concerned about this. A lot of the local guys are talking about the glaring lack of news around the Hawks coaching search. Seems like KD's strategy is going exactly as planned.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 14 @ 3:49 PM ET
Ha! I was beginning to think LA and Steve were the same person.
- HawkintheD


No, he is much smarter than I.
bjphawkfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Woodridge, IL
Joined: 07.02.2016

May 14 @ 4:48 PM ET
KFC plays everything close to the vest. He doesn't speculate on what he could do, he tells you when he's done it. If Sorenson is the next coach, it will be a public relations nightmare.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 14 @ 4:55 PM ET
Seems like a lot of people are concerned about this. A lot of the local guys are talking about the glaring lack of news around the Hawks coaching search. Seems like KD's strategy is going exactly as planned.
- Chunk



I guess they learned after the very public GM search.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 14 @ 5:03 PM ET
Some thoughts on the Ice Piggies from Powers yesterday in The Athletic…

3. Drew Commesso may have to still be patient for his NHL opportunity in net next season, considering who is ahead of him, but he at least has the Blackhawks’ attention again. From early March to the end of the season, he was often the reason why the IceHogs won games. In his final 15 regular-season starts, he had a .932 save percentage. In seven playoff games, he had a .926 save percentage.

4. If I were betting on one current Rockford forward prospect to become a permanent fixture with the Blackhawks, it’d probably be left winger Samuel Savoie. His speed and effort seem to affect the game consistently more than anyone else. He can change a game when he’s on and has more offense than given credit for, but he can still play an impactful role when he’s not producing. He gets on pucks quickly and either wins them or forces opponents into bad decisions. It’d be surprising if he didn’t get his first NHL look next season.

- HawkintheD



I was actually shocked at the Sott Powers piece, as it was really on point.
(But whether yoiu want to believe this part of not, he held back judging those prospects to the extent he could have. B/c he doesn't want to lose his favored status in the room and pressers.) I was vey impressed how this wordsmith was able to criticize the prospect talent w/o slamming them like I did #55 after I watched.

We all know why he took Arty-he is simply such a skater and shooter, and he's (frank)ing fast whether short area or 200 feet. And he wants so make contact, stop opponents and change the outcomes, but he just hasn't a grip on playing the position. This is not Miro Heiskanen, who at 19 was loaned to Liiga where he played in the HIFK and the playoff to a tune of a plus /minus +8 for the season and plus 6 and in 44 games and had 14 golas and 32 points.
and he needed adjustmnet time in North America.

That's a mighty big chunk of experience not on Arty's resume.

Where i defer with S.Powers article is he has Arty in the bigs next year.

If that is some inside information and not a guess, they are going to need to hire to the coaching staff someoen to "guide" Bedsy, but one who fluently is going (in his langauge) to breakdown tape with Arty, or I cannot comprehend him helping the team to improve, just a weak link.

I love the guy for all he is, and there is a higher potential than any defenseman taken, and I really want to see him destroy teams with strong overall play, and that is why a course correction has to start, with hard coaching where he understand when and when not to turn the rocket pack on.

If you cannot find a teaching coach, find an assitant who is one and let him stand with head coach Sorenson, when he gets the head coach job, som he "feel sfootsteps."
The pressure to improve should be on players, coaches and GM.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 14 @ 5:54 PM ET
I was actually shocked at the Sott Powers piece, as it was really on point.
(But whether yoiu want to believe this part of not, he held back judging those prospects to the extent he could have. B/c he doesn't want to lose his favored status in the room and pressers.) I was vey impressed how this wordsmith was able to criticize the prospect talent w/o slamming them like I did #55 after I watched.

We all know why he took Arty-he is simply such a skater and shooter, and he's (frank)ing fast whether short area or 200 feet. And he wants so make contact, stop opponents and change the outcomes, but he just hasn't a grip on playing the position. This is not Miro Heiskanen, who at 19 was loaned to Liiga where he played in the HIFK and the playoff to a tune of a plus /minus +8 for the season and plus 6 and in 44 games and had 14 golas and 32 points.
and he needed adjustmnet time in North America.

That's a mighty big chunk of experience not on Arty's resume.

Where i defer with S.Powers article is he has Arty in the bigs next year.

If that is some inside information and not a guess, they are going to need to hire to the coaching staff someoen to "guide" Bedsy, but one who fluently is going (in his langauge) to breakdown tape with Arty, or I cannot comprehend him helping the team to improve, just a weak link.

I love the guy for all he is, and there is a higher potential than any defenseman taken, and I really want to see him destroy teams with strong overall play, and that is why a course correction has to start, with hard coaching where he understand when and when not to turn the rocket pack on.

If you cannot find a teaching coach, find an assitant who is one and let him stand with head coach Sorenson, when he gets the head coach job, som he "feel sfootsteps."
The pressure to improve should be on players, coaches and GM.

- wiz1901


Good stuff…thanks Wiz!
LetsGoHawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Joined: 12.12.2009

May 14 @ 6:19 PM ET
Signing Marner is like Toronto signing Tavares, a waste of time. Give him what he wants? WTF, great idea let's end up in salary cap hell even before we end up with a winning record.

I remember the good old days when we traded for Seth Jones, signed McCabe and made a couple of other moves, to end up with a grand total of 68 points. We were only shy of that total by 7 points this past season.

I'd rather they spend on 3 sound hard to play against hockey players so we have another line that can drive possession.

We lost so many 1 goal games this year

- BetweenTheDots



The number one need is for an established, high-end threat that can either (i) play with Bedard and create space for the youngster or (ii) draw top D matchups to create mismatch opportunities for Bedsy and the other young guys. Marner can do that. AND he fits the identity (excellent skating, skilled, plays with pace) that KFC has been building. He's also young enough to fit the timeline.

KFC has his work cut out on long term cap management. The Keith and Hossa method is no longer available. The key will be to maintain a pipeline of young talent so that good, but not great, players can be cycled out. This is why the accumulation of future draft capital will be so important.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

May 14 @ 6:38 PM ET
Even if the Hawks don’t add on, they will be better next year due to the gained experience of the young kids. I don’t want KD to go out and sign two or three middle six forwards. Although the cap is going up, there will still be teams up against the cap, KD needs to explore what is available from those teams, actually he needs explore what’s available from all teams. This is a very weak UFA class, no reason to sign someone to a five year contract that will not be a key player in three to four years. Too early to trade KK, unless you get a very nice return, and that’s not likely at this point in his career. See what it will take to pry Lundell from Florida, or Lafriernere from the Rangers, with his cap hit maybe the cost won’t be prohibitive.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 14 @ 6:48 PM ET
After David Carle decided to stay at UD I haven’t heard anything about a new coach. I wonder what’s going on there?
- paulr

Scotty Bowman is being stubborn about coming out of retirement.
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

May 14 @ 8:51 PM ET
Loafs choking again
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 14 @ 8:54 PM ET
Loafs choking again
- BGKarras

Their two regular season superstars have no stomach for playoff hockey. Anyone wondering why KD shouldn’t try to sign Marner just watch this series. He’s absolutely terrified out there.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

May 14 @ 9:32 PM ET
Loafs choking again
- BGKarras


It never gets old.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 14 @ 9:45 PM ET
Even if the Hawks don’t add on, they will be better next year due to the gained experience of the young kids. I don’t want KD to go out and sign two or three middle six forwards. Although the cap is going up, there will still be teams up against the cap, KD needs to explore what is available from those teams, actually he needs explore what’s available from all teams. This is a very weak UFA class, no reason to sign someone to a five year contract that will not be a key player in three to four years. Too early to trade KK, unless you get a very nice return, and that’s not likely at this point in his career. See what it will take to pry Lundell from Florida, or Lafriernere from the Rangers, with his cap hit maybe the cost won’t be prohibitive.
- Angotti


While I’d like them to add a top 6 fwd, what you mention seems to be overlooked by most here.

The team that started last season and the one that ended it looked largely different. Even if they send Arty, Moore, Greene or whoever down for some seasoning, it’s likley they are back up before long.

Also let’s account for them likley buying out Brodie (addition by subtraction) and the addition of Spencer Knight, but Steve and his less intelligent doppelgänger are still pissed they traded Jones.
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

May 14 @ 9:49 PM ET
It never gets old.
- Chief4Feathers


That's how you know it's spring time, the Leafs falling
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 14 @ 9:58 PM ET
That's how you know it's spring time, the Leafs falling
- wizardofi


Well played.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

May 14 @ 10:07 PM ET
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 14 @ 10:11 PM ET

- Chief4Feathers

You forgot about parade planning.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 14 @ 10:12 PM ET
Even if the Hawks don’t add on, they will be better next year due to the gained experience of the young kids. I don’t want KD to go out and sign two or three middle six forwards. Although the cap is going up, there will still be teams up against the cap, KD needs to explore what is available from those teams, actually he needs explore what’s available from all teams. This is a very weak UFA class, no reason to sign someone to a five year contract that will not be a key player in three to four years. Too early to trade KK, unless you get a very nice return, and that’s not likely at this point in his career. See what it will take to pry Lundell from Florida, or Lafriernere from the Rangers, with his cap hit maybe the cost won’t be prohibitive.
- Angotti


We hope the kids will be better. Reichel took a step back after showing well in his first shot with the big club. I can make a strong argument that Vlasic was worse than he was last year. Looking back, the elder Dach faltered was up and down in his first few years. I'm not saying this as an indictment of their long term future, but you can't just assume that everyone is going to be better than the year before.

I'm really not trying to pour cold water on everything, but it's just the nature of young players to be inconsistent.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

May 14 @ 10:33 PM ET
Their two regular season superstars have no stomach for playoff hockey. Anyone wondering why KD shouldn’t try to sign Marner just watch this series. He’s absolutely terrified out there.
- paulr

I can see now why they should not sign Marner, thanks but no thanks. Stay far away KD. I know that they need to bring in a forward or two, however KD needs to be sure the adds don’t impact the rebuild in a negative way, that right there is the key. Bring in the right forward or two, don’t make stupid decisions just because you want to add upfront, and hire the right coach.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 14 @ 10:36 PM ET
I can see now why they should not sign Marner, thanks but no thanks. Stay far away KD. I know that they need to bring in a forward or two, however KD needs to be sure the adds don’t impact the rebuild in a negative way, that right there is the key. Bring in the right forward or two, don’t make stupid decisions just because you want to add upfront, and hire the right coach.
- Angotti

Bennett would be nice.
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