Not enough to get 2OA. I would add Fla 1st too and see if that worked. if not, oh well
- Elbows15

I agree

Not enough to get 2OA. I would add Fla 1st too and see if that worked. if not, oh well
- Elbows15

I agree

I agree
- Scott1977

Sorry, I’m on the other side of the fence, I’d rather not give up three first round picks(includes KK)to move up one spot, even for Misa. Take the BPA @ 3OA, and trade those two picks plus for a young forward. Then you end up with one of Desnoyers, Frondell, Hagens or Martone, plus a young forward.

Sorry, I’m on the other side of the fence, I’d rather not give up three first round picks(includes KK)to move up one spot, even for Misa. Take the BPA @ 3OA, and trade those two picks plus for a young forward. Then you end up with one of Desnoyers, Frondell, Hagens or Martone, plus a young forward.
- Angotti

I've asked a couple times if Misa is really that much better than the others you mention here. It seems he's only marginally better, or people haven't seen enough of him to really say.

I'm with Lou here. Just take whoever you think is best of the rest this year and run. If any trade is to be made, it should be for an active player - especially in this draft where the pool seems to be a lot more even and without a lot of exceptional talent.

Sorry, I’m on the other side of the fence, I’d rather not give up three first round picks(includes KK)to move up one spot, even for Misa. Take the BPA @ 3OA, and trade those two picks plus for a young forward. Then you end up with one of Desnoyers, Frondell, Hagens or Martone, plus a young forward.
- Angotti

Isaac Howard

Question is can you get him for either 25 or 34? Walk away from draft with at least Hagens, Howard, and I'll be one of those here not female doging at the picks like i was last year.

Isaac Howard

Question is can you get him for either 25 or 34? Walk away from draft with at least Hagens, Howard, and I'll be one of those here not female doging at the picks like i was last year.
- vabeachbear

Offer Crevier's RFA rights for Howard's rights? Desnoyers centering Howard and lil Frankie in a year or two could be fun to watch

Isaac Howard

Question is can you get him for either 25 or 34? Walk away from draft with at least Hagens, Howard, and I'll be one of those here not female doging at the picks like i was last year.
- vabeachbear

For all the complaining you hear about size on this board, it doesn't seem to stop many here longing for Howard (listed 5'10" 180lbs).

Not saying you specifically, but I haven't heard anyone say that we've got too many guys like him already. Amazing what good performance does to a kid's measureables.

For all the complaining you hear about size on this board, it doesn't seem to stop many here longing for Howard (listed 5'10" 180lbs).

Not saying you specifically, but I haven't heard anyone say that we've got too many guys like him already. Amazing what good performance does to a kid's measureables.
- Chunk

First of all, he's 5'11 Chunky so get your facts straight lol but for serious, I think it's because he's close friends with Nazar and they played on the same line in the UNDTP and WJC. Also, college teammates with Levshunov and Kaiser.

Isaac Howard

Question is can you get him for either 25 or 34? Walk away from draft with at least Hagens, Howard, and I'll be one of those here not female doging at the picks like i was last year.
- vabeachbear

Isn't the pick Tampa gets if he doesn't sign in the 60's? I would offer Crevier's rights and #60

Isn't the pick Tampa gets if he doesn't sign in the 60's? I would offer Crevier's rights and #60
- tvetter

Comp pick would be #63 in next year's draft should he stay with Tampa until his rights expire

Sorry, I’m on the other side of the fence, I’d rather not give up three first round picks(includes KK)to move up one spot, even for Misa. Take the BPA @ 3OA, and trade those two picks plus for a young forward. Then you end up with one of Desnoyers, Frondell, Hagens or Martone, plus a young forward.
- Angotti

I agree Lou, 3rd OA is how you build through the draft, crazy the Blackhawks have now drafted 1, 2, and now 3rd OA in 3 straight years.

So now we have 1, 2, 3, 7, 13, 18, 19, 25, another 25th OA from Toronto again, I'd be fine with them trading the 25th as well but either way hoarding all the top talent in 4 drafts now is fantastic. It's going to be crazy when it all comes together

For all the complaining you hear about size on this board, it doesn't seem to stop many here longing for Howard (listed 5'10" 180lbs).

Not saying you specifically, but I haven't heard anyone say that we've got too many guys like him already. Amazing what good performance does to a kid's measureables.
- Chunk

I'm not one of those. I want the best players and guys 5-10 or 11sh and 180+ lbs who can skate like the wind and score.......I'll take those guys all day long.

I've never seen Frondell play other than highlights, i saw Desnoyers play in Memorial cup and wasn't really impressed.

If i'm going just on highlights, I actually like Brady Martin the best.

Isn't the pick Tampa gets if he doesn't sign in the 60's? I would offer Crevier's rights and #60
- tvetter

I would offer a bit higher to get him now. Someone else could offer more that he would sign with.

If KD could get him for #34 I'd do it. Walking away with Hagens, Nesbitt, Howard, and William Moore with the first 4 picks would be a home run for me.

I would offer a bit higher to get him now. Someone else could offer more that he would sign with.

If KD could get him for #34 I'd do it. Walking away with Hagens, Nesbitt, Howard, and William Moore with the first 4 picks would be a home run for me.
- vabeachbear

Howard may be costly. 52 pts (26g, 26a) in 37 games at MSU last season, Hobey Baker Finalist, played well in the Worlds tourney, etc. TB can trade him to any team at any time and may just keep him for a TDL chip since they’re in win now mode still. Kyle will need to blow them away to get him and worst case for TB, they lose him but get a 2nd round pick as compensation.

I've asked a couple times if Misa is really that much better than the others you mention here. It seems he's only marginally better, or people haven't seen enough of him to really say.

I'm with Lou here. Just take whoever you think is best of the rest this year and run. If any trade is to be made, it should be for an active player - especially in this draft where the pool seems to be a lot more even and without a lot of exceptional talent.
- Chunk

From what all the gurus say he just a notch better than the rest. Personally I wouldn't trade kk either or the first rounders . Draft hagens Martone or Frondel then with the other picks address the grit physicality and size elements the team is lacking.

Howard may be costly. 52 pts (26g, 26a) in 37 games at MSU last season, Hobey Baker Finalist, played well in the Worlds tourney, etc. TB can trade him to any team at any time and may just keep him for a TDL chip since they’re in win now mode still. Kyle will need to blow them away to get him and worst case for TB, they lose him but get a 2nd round pick as compensation.
- Assman22

Just guessing here, but I think TB may be looking for a player. The closest CHI has is Vanacker, I would guess KFC doesn't want to do that.

All of this has deepened Davidson’s belief that building from within is the smartest, most reliable way to approach team-building. When pressed about that at the combine, he laid his philosophy bare.

“You’ve got to draft well and develop well, and that’s got to be the core of your team moving forward,” Davidson said. “It’s just unrealistic to think, ‘Hey, I want to do something, so we’re going to just go do it.’ You’re playing fantasy hockey at that point.

“You’ve got to draft your players, you’ve got to develop your good players, and then along the way, if something comes up . . . you jump at it and you take advantage. You’re not outsmarting anyone. You’re probably just in a situation [where] you can acquire a player that benefits both sides. But you’ve got to have other teams who are looking to do something different than you.”

“That’s when you have to find the teams that make a match. If the whole league is trying to add, then no one is going to subtract. There’s not enough splashy players for everyone to add across the league. … You can’t just [say], ‘I want to add because I want to.’ I wish it was that easy. Every other team wishes it was that easy; every fan base wishes it was that easy. It’s really hard.

https://chicago.suntimes....-trade-market-free-agency

So i just have to say this won't make the instafans happy, but i really enjoy hearing everything he has to say. I agree with all of it.

Just guessing here, but I think TB may be looking for a player. The closest CHI has is Vanacker, I would guess KFC doesn't want to do that.
- totem

If you can get a first round talent like Howard for a second round pick, even if it’s an early second round pick, I say go for it.

That’s sad. I think you may be right that they’re looking for players. Would we be willing to trade Reichel and a later second round? Would they even want him?

There could be a bidding war and a late first rounder is a possibility. Not sure I would pay that much.

David Pagnotta: The Hurricanes offer to Mitch Marner could be over $14m per - The Fourth Period

Wow!
Never would have thought someone would give him that much $$$
This also could be b.s. from his agent etc...

If Marner is going to get 14ish, then will Ehlers and Boeser be getting close to 10?

David Pagnotta: The Hurricanes offer to Mitch Marner could be over $14m per - The Fourth Period

Wow!
Never would have thought someone would give him that much $$$
This also could be b.s. from his agent etc...

If Marner is going to get 14ish, then will Ehlers and Boeser be getting close to 10?
- captainserious

There’s no way Carolina’s GM Tulsky is that stupid, is there? The Hurricane just showed the world their line up isn’t capable of competing in the playoffs so they chase and over pay a guy who’s shown he can’t raise his game when it matters. I hope Tulsky does sign him so a KD isn’t able to match.

All of this has deepened Davidson’s belief that building from within is the smartest, most reliable way to approach team-building. When pressed about that at the combine, he laid his philosophy bare.

“You’ve got to draft well and develop well, and that’s got to be the core of your team moving forward,” Davidson said. “It’s just unrealistic to think, ‘Hey, I want to do something, so we’re going to just go do it.’ You’re playing fantasy hockey at that point.

“You’ve got to draft your players, you’ve got to develop your good players, and then along the way, if something comes up . . . you jump at it and you take advantage. You’re not outsmarting anyone. You’re probably just in a situation
- BetweenTheDots[where] you can acquire a player that benefits both sides. But you’ve got to have other teams who are looking to do something different than you.”

“That’s when you have to find the teams that make a match. If the whole league is trying to add, then no one is going to subtract. There’s not enough splashy players for everyone to add across the league. … You can’t just [say], ‘I want to add because I want to.’ I wish it was that easy. Every other team wishes it was that easy; every fan base wishes it was that easy. It’s really hard.

https://chicago.suntimes....-trade-market-free-agency

So i just have to say this won't make the instafans happy, but i really enjoy hearing everything he has to say. I agree with all of it.

Sure, that does have to be the core of the team going forward.

It’s got nothing to do with being an “instafan”. They literally need to add salary to get to the floor. Signing Donato (if they can) and using Weber doesn’t come near the floor.

Of course it’s hard, that’s why Teams change GM’s so often. Being the same team they were last year, is going backwards.

Just guessing here, but I think TB may be looking for a player. The closest CHI has is Vanacker, I would guess KFC doesn't want to do that.
- totem

He doesn't have to, kid didn't sign his ELC, but if KD said it sounds cliche but the way all these drafts unfolded and we got the guys we wanted he's not trading any first rounders he drafted. It'll be future picks and later prospects that aren't panning out.

Sure, that does have to be the core of the team going forward.

It’s got nothing to do with being an “instafan”. They literally need to add salary to get to the floor. Signing Donato (if they can) and using Weber doesn’t come near the floor.

Of course it’s hard, that’s why Teams change GM’s so often. Being the same team they were last year, is going backwards.
- Chunk

That's where we disagree if more prospects are playing and developing than the team isn't the same. It really is being an instafan when you want to trade the 3rd OA for Robertson.

He doesn't have to, kid didn't sign his ELC, but if KD said it sounds cliche but the way all these drafts unfolded and we got the guys we wanted he's not trading any first rounders he drafted. It'll be future picks and later prospects that aren't panning out.
- BetweenTheDots

Was trying to look at it from the TB point of view....

They are not that old except in a few places and still think they can compete. Future round 2 picks and later prospects aren't interesting to them. They want a player they can use in the next couple of years.

If they can't get that they can just pass and take the 2nd rounder.

I've asked a couple times if Misa is really that much better than the others you mention here. It seems he's only marginally better, or people haven't seen enough of him to really say.

I'm with Lou here. Just take whoever you think is best of the rest this year and run. If any trade is to be made, it should be for an active player - especially in this draft where the pool seems to be a lot more even and without a lot of exceptional talent.
- Chunk

Yeah, I have no idea if Misa is going to be that much better than Frondell/Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers,nobody does.
But,if Kyle/Soupy and Hocks management think he is that much better or going to be that much better then they should offer their 3rd ++ and trade up to get him.