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LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 6 @ 8:20 AM ET
Thanks for finding the loophole blocking his potential employment. Was starting to have flashbacks.
- HawkintheD


Hopefully this Swedish coach with the initials AS is better than the last (Alpo Suhonen)
jhawk59
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 6 @ 8:28 AM ET
If the team doesn't improve,they can send KD packing too for all I care.
Feel bad for Luke,seems like a good dude,but he wasn't getting it done. Davidson didn't do him any favors with the roster either but a shakeup was needed.
1st guy to go is usually a coach
Now they might call up Nazar,and maybe even trade for someone that can help on offense, otherwise we can start talking about who they should draft,when the kid might be in the NHL and if they'll be in or out of the playoff picture by this time next Decemeber

- captainserious


Bertuzzi and TT are not first line players on a good team. Without a Bedard line scoring regularly it behooves how the heck you have a serious threatening offensive line. Lately Reichel Maroon Smith had some moments. KD notion of a rebuild did not acquire top line talent and our forward lines overall is too slow. The owner can blame the coach but really it is KD’s fault the team struggles.,

I believe that TT, Bertuzzi and Hall would fare better when they are not the top line candidates so often. When there are others scoring TT in Carolina was a capable producer.

Whenever a 2025 draft choice, some other youngsters are playing here, and another veteran who can score come aboard, the team should be much better. Hopefully Bertuzzi,,TT and Hall can thrive or produce at a better clip when they are more secondary scoring option.

Even a Tortorello would have difficulty squeezing much better results out of this current group

Yet just to get Bedard on track, it isn’t the coaching this year but more a case of more suitable linemattes

I wouldn’t be surprised if the owner had a voice in this firing. For KD to feel he expected better results from this group, that is sour grapes. He isn’t going to own up to his failure to live with with dignity rebuild those kind of players don’t join up until next season the earliest. And going one step farther, our top young dmen prospects play well and this team is much more capable.

LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 6 @ 8:44 AM ET
Bertuzzi and TT are not first line players on a good team. Without a Bedard line scoring regularly it behooves how the heck you have a serious threatening offensive line. Lately Reichel Maroon Smith had some moments. KD notion of a rebuild did not acquire top line talent and our forward lines overall is too slow. The owner can blame the coach but really it is KD’s fault the team struggles.,

I believe that TT, Bertuzzi and Hall would fare better when they are not the top line candidates so often. When there are others scoring TT in Carolina was a capable producer.

Whenever a 2025 draft choice, some other youngsters are playing here, and another veteran who can score come aboard, the team should be much better. Hopefully Bertuzzi,,TT and Hall can thrive or produce at a better clip when they are more secondary scoring option.

Even a Tortorello would have difficulty squeezing much better results out of this current group

Yet just to get Bedard on track, it isn’t the coaching this year but more a case of more suitable linemattes

I wouldn’t be surprised if the owner had a voice in this firing. For KD to feel he expected better results from this group, that is sour grapes. He isn’t going to own up to his failure to live with with dignity rebuild those kind of players don’t join up until next season the earliest. And going one step farther, our top young dmen prospects play well and this team is much more capable.

- jhawk59



So Carolina and Toronto are bad teams? TT played on the same line as Aho and Bettuzzi played on the same line as Matthews.

Did they both fall off the Cliff during the off-season ? Or did the former coach not put them in a position to succeed either by line combinations, or style of play?
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 6 @ 8:45 AM ET
Hopefully this Swedish coach with the initials AS is better than the last (Alpo Suhonen)
- LAHawk


Alpo was Finnish. It's a different level of stoicism. As long as Sorenson isn't a theater buff they may be ok.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 6 @ 8:47 AM ET
So Carolina and Toronto are bad teams? TT played on the same line as Aho and Bettuzzi played on the same line as Matthews.

Did they both fall off the Cliff during the off-season ? Or did the former coach not put them in a position to succeed either by line combinations, or style of play?

- LAHawk


Something's off. Teravainen started well and then was shuffled all over the lineup. I thought there was a chance Bedard would play with these 2 when the season started.

Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 6 @ 8:50 AM ET
Alpo was Finnish. It's a different level of stoicism. As long as Sorenson isn't a theater buff they may be ok.
- HawkintheD


Nice!
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 6 @ 8:53 AM ET
So Carolina and Toronto are bad teams? TT played on the same line as Aho and Bettuzzi played on the same line as Matthews.

Did they both fall off the Cliff during the off-season ? Or did the former coach not put them in a position to succeed either by line combinations, or style of play?

- LAHawk


The hawks don't have a Matthews or an Aho to put them with.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 6 @ 8:56 AM ET
The hawks don't have a Matthews or an Aho to put them with.
- 6628


But they have a Bedard
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 6 @ 9:19 AM ET
Bertuzzi and TT are not first line players on a good team. Without a Bedard line scoring regularly it behooves how the heck you have a serious threatening offensive line. Lately Reichel Maroon Smith had some moments. KD notion of a rebuild did not acquire top line talent and our forward lines overall is too slow. The owner can blame the coach but really it is KD’s fault the team struggles.,

I believe that TT, Bertuzzi and Hall would fare better when they are not the top line candidates so often. When there are others scoring TT in Carolina was a capable producer.

Whenever a 2025 draft choice, some other youngsters are playing here, and another veteran who can score come aboard, the team should be much better. Hopefully Bertuzzi,,TT and Hall can thrive or produce at a better clip when they are more secondary scoring option.

Even a Tortorello would have difficulty squeezing much better results out of this current group

Yet just to get Bedard on track, it isn’t the coaching this year but more a case of more suitable linemattes

I wouldn’t be surprised if the owner had a voice in this firing. For KD to feel he expected better results from this group, that is sour grapes. He isn’t going to own up to his failure to live with with dignity rebuild those kind of players don’t join up until next season the earliest. And going one step farther, our top young dmen prospects play well and this team is much more capable.

- jhawk59


You managed to use behoove and heck in the same sentence.
Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Dec 6 @ 9:24 AM ET
I posted this on the Hockey Buzz "Headline Page" about Luke being fired and the Rangers getting close to making a big trade.

I would comment on Luke Richardson being fired on the Hawks page on this site. But that blogger left over a month ago and has not been replaced. What the HELL is going on EK!!!!

Just give us a clean sheet of ice (a blank page). Believe me, the loyal posters will add plenty of text. All you need to do is put a headline like "Game 27 Hawks vs Jets.

Or better yet bring back Theo. He was spectacular.
Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Dec 6 @ 9:38 AM ET
I think it is very strange for King to still be an assistant coach at this point. He has to go too. I am sure he is a nice guy and maybe a smart hockey guy. But it's just weird because of his history with the Hawks.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:39 AM ET
If the team doesn't improve,they can send KD packing too for all I care.
Feel bad for Luke,seems like a good dude,but he wasn't getting it done. Davidson didn't do him any favors with the roster either but a shakeup was needed.
1st guy to go is usually a coach
Now they might call up Nazar,and maybe even trade for someone that can help on offense, otherwise we can start talking about who they should draft,when the kid might be in the NHL and if they'll be in or out of the playoff picture by this time next Decemeber

- captainserious


We'll see what the results are the next few weeks.

If they bring Nazar up and he goes on a tear and Bedard starts scoring I think that Davidson should have to answer some questions. Like why did you fire Luke before making a roster change?

If they keep losing 2-1, 3-2 (which I think they will - because the roster is rubbish) then what are ya gonna do? I don't they'll turn into a 3 or 4 goals per game team with the roster they have.

I think after the Vancouver game where Richardson said something like "we can't seam passes because we don't have strong players like JT Miller and need to play simple" was when he was done. The empty stadium Wednesday on TNT and the TV debacle just filled the can up with more poop and they had to pull a lever on something.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:46 AM ET
Bertuzzi and TT are not first line players on a good team. Without a Bedard line scoring regularly it behooves how the heck you have a serious threatening offensive line. Lately Reichel Maroon Smith had some moments. KD notion of a rebuild did not acquire top line talent and our forward lines overall is too slow. The owner can blame the coach but really it is KD’s fault the team struggles.,

I believe that TT, Bertuzzi and Hall would fare better when they are not the top line candidates so often. When there are others scoring TT in Carolina was a capable producer.

Whenever a 2025 draft choice, some other youngsters are playing here, and another veteran who can score come aboard, the team should be much better. Hopefully Bertuzzi,,TT and Hall can thrive or produce at a better clip when they are more secondary scoring option.

Even a Tortorello would have difficulty squeezing much better results out of this current group

Yet just to get Bedard on track, it isn’t the coaching this year but more a case of more suitable linemattes

I wouldn’t be surprised if the owner had a voice in this firing. For KD to feel he expected better results from this group, that is sour grapes. He isn’t going to own up to his failure to live with with dignity rebuild those kind of players don’t join up until next season the earliest. And going one step farther, our top young dmen prospects play well and this team is much more capable.

- jhawk59


TT played primarily with Aho and Svechnikov. Both monsters on the board and both very strong forecheckers. He's a good player but he's not ever driven a line by himself. In theory Hall - Bedard - TT should be able to get stuff going BUT thats predicated on Hall adjusting his game which he hasn't done and why his ass sat.

Torts would have them playing the same way only his press conferences would be more entertaining than informative like Richardson's were.

KD saying we like this team is really the red flag here. He's playing video game GM it seems like - not building a cohesive unit. Makes sense if they were supposed to suck again - does not make sense if they are trying to win more games.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 6 @ 9:48 AM ET
After looking at the whole thing, I don't really mind that the Hawks fired LR. It's been repeated ad nauseum that they were close or within a goal in most of their games in the 3rd period. They were also playing very low event hockey, and were notably improved on the PP and PK vs last year. These things cannot be counted on for success. It's great that they improved defensively, but that also neutered their offense.

Riding a strong PP is great if you have a stronger base 5v5.

If the best thing you can say about the coach is that they aren't losing as bad as they were last year, that kinda says it all doesn't it? If anything, I think it's almost worse that they have been so close in so many games and found ways to lose them. How many times were they leading and ended up giving away the game?

I don't think AS is going to move the needle much, but will be happily surprised if he shows otherwise. The main thing I want to see is them getting back to playing aggressive hockey. November was brutal watching as they always looked like they were skating uphill.

I'm sure we'll at least have some good trade speculation to talk about.
Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Dec 6 @ 9:49 AM ET
The Nazar situation is interesting. Do they let him develop in Rockford (as they said was so very important) or do they forget about that and bring him up to inject some life into the Hawks? Will they do what is best for him or will they bring him up to the mess in Chicago right now. Personally I would keep him in Rockford at least until Sorensen has a few games to sort through the mess he is walking into.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 6 @ 9:50 AM ET
I posted this on the Hockey Buzz "Headline Page" about Luke being fired and the Rangers getting close to making a big trade.

I would comment on Luke Richardson being fired on the Hawks page on this site. But that blogger left over a month ago and has not been replaced. What the HELL is going on EK!!!!

Just give us a clean sheet of ice (a blank page). Believe me, the loyal posters will add plenty of text. All you need to do is put a headline like "Game 27 Hawks vs Jets.

Or better yet bring back Theo. He was spectacular.

- Ztra


I appreciate your passion Z, but me thinks you are beating a dead horse. Ek doesn't care.


fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:50 AM ET
So Carolina and Toronto are bad teams? TT played on the same line as Aho and Bettuzzi played on the same line as Matthews.

Did they both fall off the Cliff during the off-season ? Or did the former coach not put them in a position to succeed either by line combinations, or style of play?

- LAHawk


Aho and Svechnikov and Matthews and Marner/Nylander are vastly better than anyone the Hawks have at present. Like - it's not even close. I'd make the argument that Tavares is a much better player even at this stage of his career than anyone on the Hawks.

Bedard is a phenomenal talent but Aho is a more complete player today and Matthews is obviously more mature and all that. Plus the supporting cast is very good, forward wise, in both places.

You put poop in you get poop out.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:51 AM ET
Alpo was Finnish. It's a different level of stoicism. As long as Sorenson isn't a theater buff they may be ok.
- HawkintheD


Wicked was fantastic. I'd highly recommend going to check it out.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 6 @ 9:52 AM ET
The Nazar situation is interesting. Do they let him develop in Rockford (as they said was so very important) or do they forget about that and bring him up to inject some life into the Hawks? Will they do what is best for him or will they bring him up to the mess in Chicago right now. Personally I would keep him in Rockford at least until Sorensen has a few games to sort through the mess he is walking into.
- Ztra


If Nazar is ready for the NHL (which after watching him this year, I think he is) he should be brought up. Embarrassing AHLers for the rest of the year isn't going to help him improve much more. He really is looking like the best player in the league as a rookie.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:53 AM ET
The Nazar situation is interesting. Do they let him develop in Rockford (as they said was so very important) or do they forget about that and bring him up to inject some life into the Hawks? Will they do what is best for him or will they bring him up to the mess in Chicago right now. Personally I would keep him in Rockford at least until Sorensen has a few games to sort through the mess he is walking into.
- Ztra


He should have been brought up a week ago.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Dec 6 @ 9:57 AM ET
We'll see what the results are the next few weeks.

If they bring Nazar up and he goes on a tear and Bedard starts scoring I think that Davidson should have to answer some questions. Like why did you fire Luke before making a roster change?

If they keep losing 2-1, 3-2 (which I think they will - because the roster is rubbish) then what are ya gonna do? I don't they'll turn into a 3 or 4 goals per game team with the roster they have.

I think after the Vancouver game where Richardson said something like "we can't seam passes because we don't have strong players like JT Miller and need to play simple" was when he was done. The empty stadium Wednesday on TNT and the TV debacle just filled the can up with more poop and they had to pull a lever on something.

- fattybeef


I agree about Nazar and Bedard and like I said,for all I care they can let Davidson go too,he created the roster.

I don't expect them to win all of the sudden, not with this roster, BUT, if this was the 1st step, and the next step is bringing up Nazar or trading for someone to improve the roster a tad bit(Frost), and the young Bedard/Reichel/Nazar etc.. start to look better an extra win here and there should be expected.

Besides,this year for me was not ablut winning, I expected Bedard to be flirting with 40-50 goals and Reichel to maybe be a mid 50pt player.

98 has 5 in 24 games? Reichel is on the 4th line?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 6 @ 10:02 AM ET
Trouba scratched tonight. Rumors are the Rangers have a trade in place pending his consent. If not he would be waived anyway with some other team(s) likely to claim him.

BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Dec 6 @ 10:04 AM ET
TT played primarily with Aho and Svechnikov. Both monsters on the board and both very strong forecheckers. He's a good player but he's not ever driven a line by himself. In theory Hall - Bedard - TT should be able to get stuff going BUT thats predicated on Hall adjusting his game which he hasn't done and why his ass sat.

Torts would have them playing the same way only his press conferences would be more entertaining than informative like Richardson's were.

KD saying we like this team is really the red flag here. He's playing video game GM it seems like - not building a cohesive unit. Makes sense if they were supposed to suck again - does not make sense if they are trying to win more games.

- fattybeef



I don't know how you build chemistry when you don't know who your linemates are going to be every shift. It was comical at times and when i hear coaches say it doesn't matter?

The other thing that pissed me off and i think it peeved KD is when he sat Reichel for 4 games to start the season.

I think it made KD sit back and think okay i got you these vets let's see how you do.

I honestly don't know what the right answer is, but if puck possession is so valuable why don't our dmen work on maintaining it. I bet we give up possession about 50% of the time in games because we are just satisfied of getting the puck out of the defensive zone.

All that said i did think LR improved the defense with better NHL players.

He didn't improve possession though and to me that's a big problem. I don't know how the new coach is going to improve that because in the Rock they play a similar brand of hockey.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Dec 6 @ 10:04 AM ET
Trouba scratched tonight. Rumors are the Rangers have a trade in place pending his consent. If not he would be waived anyway with some other team(s) likely to claim him.
- boilermaker100


Nashville?
Their team has probably been worse than the Hocks..at least expectation wise
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Dec 6 @ 10:08 AM ET
Trouba scratched tonight. Rumors are the Rangers have a trade in place pending his consent. If not he would be waived anyway with some other team(s) likely to claim him.
- boilermaker100


Who's going to claim him? I think he signed with the Rangers cause his wife received a residency there.

https://www.dailymail.co....-bizarre-reason-WIFE.html
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