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jhawk59
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Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 12 @ 11:21 PM ET
So, the plan is to develop young talent, and build a team that's fast and young. Then sign 8 retreads, and bury most of your talent at Rockford, and take away the one coach down there that can actually develop the young talent. And they now skate the slowest and oldest team in the NHL, and it shows.

And at the pro level, draft a generational talent, then have your coach turn him into a third line shutdown forward, and force everyone to play zone trap and dump and chase. And now concerned that this team can't generate shots on net, let alone score.

When teams rebuild, there is a plan in place, and an identity of what you are going to be. And the last coach didn't seem to be on that page. His identity for the team was to do everything to keep the score close, playing not to lose. Is that really the culture you want as a G.M.??

The fanbase is starting to walk away again. They have made this team hard to watch. And as Wirtz starts to really lose money on this, like his father did in the 2000s. that's when you will see the panic button pushed, and the development phase abandoned, and this team will be in what is called "sports hell", not good enough to contend for anything, but not so bad as to get top picks to build it back up.

- dahawks8819


KD just needs to find someone who can play with Bedard and it doesn’t have to be an all star or necessarily cost and arm and leg in a trade. The improvement from young kids on defense, this coach/style of play and keep drafting well …hopefully see the team flirt with .500 and be entertaining. Hopefully no falling into sports hell.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Dec 13 @ 4:19 AM ET
KD just needs to find someone who can play with Bedard and it doesn’t have to be an all star or necessarily cost and arm and leg in a trade. The improvement from young kids on defense, this coach/style of play and keep drafting well …hopefully see the team flirt with .500 and be entertaining. Hopefully no falling into sports hell.
- jhawk59


Go to the SportsMockery site. Isaac Nielsen writes some good pieces there.

In his December 12 piece, he writes about getting Derek King back to Rockford ASAP, because the Mark Eaton experiment is not going well, and could be an absolute disaster very soon.

So to the people like Paulr on this site, who like to attack anyone that doesn't fit what they think, I guess I'm wrong in what I have been telling you. There is a current orginazational black hole of leadership, beginning at the top and leaking it's way down.

And I'm telling you this, whether you believe it or not, the current G.M. is being scrutinized as not the guy to get them to the next level. He is seen as a guy who is good at drafting talent, but not able to assemble a valid NHL roster.

Between the TV fiasco, and the inexcusable lack of scoring from a revamped roster, this team is heading back to the mid 2000s level of non relevance. And the current owner is not going to wait five years for this to turn around.

And this is not my opinion, but coming from someone else that knows more than any of us.

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your narratives of patience for prospects that are three years away, and may never be much in the NHL.
jhawk59
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 13 @ 4:41 AM ET
Go to the SportsMockery site. Isaac Nielsen writes some good pieces there.

In his December 12 piece, he writes about getting Derek King back to Rockford ASAP, because the Mark Eaton experiment is not going well, and could be an absolute disaster very soon.

So to the people like Paulr on this site, who like to attack anyone that doesn't fit what they think, I guess I'm wrong in what I have been telling you. There is a current orginazational black hole of leadership, beginning at the top and leaking it's way down.

And I'm telling you this, whether you believe it or not, the current G.M. is being scrutinized as not the guy to get them to the next level. He is seen as a guy who is good at drafting talent, but not able to assemble a valid NHL roster.

Between the TV fiasco, and the inexcusable lack of scoring from a revamped roster, this team is heading back to the mid 2000s level of non relevance. And the current owner is not going to wait five years for this to turn around.

And this is not my opinion, but coming from someone else that knows more than any of us.

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your narratives of patience for prospects that are three years away, and may never be much in the NHL.

- dahawks8819


I do not doubt that you are correct in these matters. My narrative of patience fir the prospects to arrive is more wishful thinking than absolute reality, since not each prospect is going to come in and be a star. And if 1) Bedard doesn't start piling up points and 2) the team doesn't win more, yes KD very well may not retain his GM duties. Possibly remains as the draft guy - hard to gauge where KD lands.

I didn't want to dive much into the Eaton coaching issue; i figured his ast coach were helping him with coaching duties. I feel like you have a better insight and or have read more about the situation so I will go with your evaluation of the coaching wreck in Rockford. I do believe that there will be more centers and better forwards in Rockfird next season. I do believe Arty could become a dominant dman om the AHL by mid season next hockey season and I do believe there will be a new coach in place
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Dec 13 @ 6:50 AM ET
Because as I said before, Mark Eaton is not a coach.

Good guy, front office material, not coaching material.

- dahawks8819


Think this is a pretty good sign they weren't planning on firing LR, the fact they really didn't and don't have a succession plan.

Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted King to go back down, and because he didn't get the job, he refused or even kind of suggested he didn't want to do that. Assuming he'll be gone next year, so he probably figured F that.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Dec 13 @ 7:08 AM ET
So, the plan is to develop young talent, and build a team that's fast and young. Then sign 8 retreads, and bury most of your talent at Rockford, and take away the one coach down there that can actually develop the young talent. And they now skate the slowest and oldest team in the NHL, and it shows.

And at the pro level, draft a generational talent, then have your coach turn him into a third line shutdown forward, and force everyone to play zone trap and dump and chase. And now concerned that this team can't generate shots on net, let alone score.

When teams rebuild, there is a plan in place, and an identity of what you are going to be. And the last coach didn't seem to be on that page. His identity for the team was to do everything to keep the score close, playing not to lose. Is that really the culture you want as a G.M.??

The fanbase is starting to walk away again. They have made this team hard to watch. And as Wirtz starts to really lose money on this, like his father did in the 2000s. that's when you will see the panic button pushed, and the development phase abandoned, and this team will be in what is called "sports hell", not good enough to contend for anything, but not so bad as to get top picks to build it back up.

- dahawks8819


It was always going to be this way now, it just was.

I'm not saying KD has cracked the secret and is infallible, but the rebuild at this stage was always going to be at this point.

You won't be able to judge how the rebuild to long term success in my mind until probably 2 years from now.

Until the Hawks have 5 or 6 starters from the rebuild drafts or any upcoming trades using some of those players and picks and Rockford is at least 60% players from the rebuild are in place.

If you are fan, your enjoyment now is going to come from watching a Rinzel, Moore, Greene, James, Thompson, and Boisvert at college games, or the nights like tonight watching the Spellacy's of the CHL.

When fans get to the point where they accept this, it will be easier to survive. If you fight that, and look for lots of pts in the standings, you will be disspaointed and fairly miserable.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 7:18 AM ET
I'm not trying to be BOD here.

But let's be honest about the disconnect with this franchise...

The G.M. brings in veterans to help the young players, but then sends most of them to Rockford. How does that help them??

He signs 8 new players, other than Maroon, not a heavy team. Then the head coach implements a zone trap, and a dump and chase strategy. And people wonder why they are not scoring and are at the bottom of the league for shots on net??

Davidson said roster spots will now be earned. Someone please tell me what Kurashev and Brodie have done to earn their spots as this season has worn on?

And the Taylor Hall fiasco - I can't fathom an NHL coach saying he didn't know how to communicate with a former league MVP. I have been around hockey players almost my entire life. Other than Russians, I have yet to meet one you can't talk to.

There are bigger issues going on with this front office. The on ice product is suffering, and I don't think Davidson and his staff are equiped to handle it.

- dahawks8819


So should all the prospects be playing with the big club? Vets were brought in to help the rookies not assigned to RFD and are placeholders.

Craig Smith I'd characterize as a bigger player and Bertuzzi also brings some size. He is just now beginning to play the in your face, PITA way I thought he would when they signed him.

What does heavy team have to do with anything?

Last year a lot of the prospects were still playing in Jrs or college so when injuries happened, most of the guys being brought up were career AHL players or tweeners.

They didn't want a repeat of that bringing up guys like Seney, Sanford, etc. or having to sign guys like Sanford and Pitlick off the waiver wire.

Now that they've been able to stock the AHL team with mostly prospects you get a Korchinsky call up. Kaiser's played in all but 2 games. Allan's played in 22 of the 29.

Nazar has been hinted at coming up sooner rather than later and I'd bet Slaggert is up at some point too.

When Jones comes back KK likely goes back down, but that still leaves you with 3 young guys on D if you include Vlasic.

You post about R!chardson and his system like he's still the coach and feel free to elaborate on what the "bigger issues going on with this front office" are.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 7:23 AM ET
Think this is a pretty good sign they weren't planning on firing LR, the fact they really didn't and don't have a succession plan.

Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted King to go back down, and because he didn't get the job, he refused or even kind of suggested he didn't want to do that. Assuming he'll be gone next year, so he probably figured F that.

- vabeachbear


Exactly. Was thinking the same on King. Thanks for saving my fingers some keystrokes.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 7:25 AM ET
It was always going to be this way now, it just was.

I'm not saying KD has cracked the secret and is infallible, but the rebuild at this stage was always going to be at this point.

You won't be able to judge how the rebuild to long term success in my mind until probably 2 years from now.

Until the Hawks have 5 or 6 starters from the rebuild drafts or any upcoming trades using some of those players and picks and Rockford is at least 60% players from the rebuild are in place.

If you are fan, your enjoyment now is going to come from watching a Rinzel, Moore, Greene, James, Thompson, and Boisvert at college games, or the nights like tonight watching the Spellacy's of the CHL.

When fans get to the point where they accept this, it will be easier to survive. If you fight that, and look for lots of pts in the standings, you will be disspaointed and fairly miserable.

- vabeachbear


BOD
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 8:50 AM ET
Go to the SportsMockery site. Isaac Nielsen writes some good pieces there.

In his December 12 piece, he writes about getting Derek King back to Rockford ASAP, because the Mark Eaton experiment is not going well, and could be an absolute disaster very soon.

So to the people like Paulr on this site, who like to attack anyone that doesn't fit what they think, I guess I'm wrong in what I have been telling you. There is a current orginazational black hole of leadership, beginning at the top and leaking it's way down.

And I'm telling you this, whether you believe it or not, the current G.M. is being scrutinized as not the guy to get them to the next level. He is seen as a guy who is good at drafting talent, but not able to assemble a valid NHL roster.


Between the TV fiasco, and the inexcusable lack of scoring from a revamped roster, this team is heading back to the mid 2000s level of non relevance. And the current owner is not going to wait five years for this to turn around.

And this is not my opinion, but coming from someone else that knows more than any of us.

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your narratives of patience for prospects that are three years away, and may never be much in the NHL.

- dahawks8819


Where is it coming from? Not saying it is or isn't true but the whole thing sounds like your opinion.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Dec 13 @ 8:58 AM ET
So should all the prospects be playing with the big club? Vets were brought in to help the rookies not assigned to RFD and are placeholders.

Craig Smith I'd characterize as a bigger player and Bertuzzi also brings some size. He is just now beginning to play the in your face, PITA way I thought he would when they signed him.

What does heavy team have to do with anything?

Last year a lot of the prospects were still playing in Jrs or college so when injuries happened, most of the guys being brought up were career AHL players or tweeners.

They didn't want a repeat of that bringing up guys like Seney, Sanford, etc. or having to sign guys like Sanford and Pitlick off the waiver wire.

Now that they've been able to stock the AHL team with mostly prospects you get a Korchinsky call up. Kaiser's played in all but 2 games. Allan's played in 22 of the 29.

Nazar has been hinted at coming up sooner rather than later and I'd bet Slaggert is up at some point too.

When Jones comes back KK likely goes back down, but that still leaves you with 3 young guys on D if you include Vlasic.

You post about R!chardson and his system like he's still the coach and feel free to elaborate on what the "bigger issues going on with this front office" are.

- HawkintheD

Not only were the vets signed to help the youngsters on the big club, they also help the ones in Rockford marinate a bit longer, guys like Arty, KK, EDM, Nazar, Slaggert, and so on. By the way, good to see Hall picking it up, now if they can only get Brodie to play like a healthy Martinez…
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 13 @ 9:27 AM ET
Where is it coming from? Not saying it is or isn't true but the whole thing sounds like your opinion.
- HawkintheD


He has a source inside the organization. The same source who told him before the season started Murphy wasn't going to play any more and was going to be on LTIR for the duration of his contract due to lingering effects of last year's late season injury.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 9:36 AM ET
He has a source inside the organization. The same source who told him before the season started Murphy wasn't going to play any more and was going to be on LTIR for the duration of his contract due to lingering effects of last year's late season injury.
- boilermaker100


So his source is Jimmy from the ticket window. The plot gets thicker.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Dec 13 @ 9:42 AM ET
Go to the SportsMockery site. Isaac Nielsen writes some good pieces there.

In his December 12 piece, he writes about getting Derek King back to Rockford ASAP, because the Mark Eaton experiment is not going well, and could be an absolute disaster very soon.

So to the people like Paulr on this site, who like to attack anyone that doesn't fit what they think, I guess I'm wrong in what I have been telling you. There is a current orginazational black hole of leadership, beginning at the top and leaking it's way down.

And I'm telling you this, whether you believe it or not, the current G.M. is being scrutinized as not the guy to get them to the next level. He is seen as a guy who is good at drafting talent, but not able to assemble a valid NHL roster.

Between the TV fiasco, and the inexcusable lack of scoring from a revamped roster, this team is heading back to the mid 2000s level of non relevance. And the current owner is not going to wait five years for this to turn around.

And this is not my opinion, but coming from someone else that knows more than any of us.

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your narratives of patience for prospects that are three years away, and may never be much in the NHL.

- dahawks8819

MexicoHawk is backkk?!?!?!
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 9:54 AM ET
MexicoHawk is backkk?!?!?!
- Assman22


He never left.😉
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
He has a source inside the organization. The same source who told him before the season started Murphy wasn't going to play any more and was going to be on LTIR for the duration of his contract due to lingering effects of last year's late season injury.
- boilermaker100

Sounds like his source is Bob
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Dec 13 @ 10:10 AM ET
@CRoumeliotis
There it is: #Blackhawks    recall top forward prospect Frank Nazar from AHL’s Rockford IceHogs.

Well..it is about damn time
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 13 @ 10:15 AM ET
@CRoumeliotis
There it is: #Blackhawks    recall top forward prospect Frank Nazar from AHL’s Rockford IceHogs.

Well..it is about damn time

- captainserious


Now Rockford is really screwed.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 10:18 AM ET
Now Rockford is really screwed.
- boilermaker100


They brought him up to get him away from Mark Eaton. D5
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Dec 13 @ 10:24 AM ET
They brought him up to get him away from Mark Eaton. D5
- HawkintheD

Mighty Ducks movie reference? Sick burn, very nice
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 13 @ 10:29 AM ET
Mighty Ducks movie reference? Sick burn, very nice
- Assman22


Happy accident I guess.😂

If you’re referring to the D5 that’s my ultimate alert of bogus verification according to my BS rumor meter.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 13 @ 10:37 AM ET
Happy accident I guess.😂

If you’re referring to the D5 that’s my ultimate alert of bogus verification according to my BS rumor meter.

- HawkintheD

All of you are jackasses.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Dec 13 @ 10:37 AM ET
Go to the SportsMockery site. Isaac Nielsen writes some good pieces there.

In his December 12 piece, he writes about getting Derek King back to Rockford ASAP, because the Mark Eaton experiment is not going well, and could be an absolute disaster very soon.

So to the people like Paulr on this site, who like to attack anyone that doesn't fit what they think, I guess I'm wrong in what I have been telling you. There is a current orginazational black hole of leadership, beginning at the top and leaking it's way down.

And I'm telling you this, whether you believe it or not, the current G.M. is being scrutinized as not the guy to get them to the next level. He is seen as a guy who is good at drafting talent, but not able to assemble a valid NHL roster.

Between the TV fiasco, and the inexcusable lack of scoring from a revamped roster, this team is heading back to the mid 2000s level of non relevance. And the current owner is not going to wait five years for this to turn around.

And this is not my opinion, but coming from someone else that knows more than any of us.

I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your narratives of patience for prospects that are three years away, and may never be much in the NHL.

- dahawks8819


Yea these are probably the same people who are saying Ryan Poles job is in jepordy. That's why I've gotten off of social media, rather keep a clear head and wait for the news to come out.

I was shocked LR was fired but no one reported it AT ALL. fans here wanted him fired, so now I'm to believe KD is on the chopping block, again if he's fired fine, but in my opinion these guys really don't know sports if they think KD and Poles jobs are on the line this season.

Just thinking about it logically, how the hell do you fire a gm when so so so many of his prospects are playing so well in their respected leagues. You guys make me laugh thinking this season is going to be the same as next season and so on.

boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 13 @ 10:52 AM ET
3096 comments and counting. Next stop 4000.
Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Dec 13 @ 11:00 AM ET
3096 comments and counting. Next stop 4000.
- boilermaker100


Probably more posts than the 10 most current HB blogs in the same time span.

This is all on Zach's post. I hope he is benefiting from this.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Dec 13 @ 11:20 AM ET
Someone in Chicago’s city government had amazing foresight and did a great job ensuring the lakefront is left open for everyone. Toronto sold out and cluttered the lakefront with condo on condo on condo and they’re not only building more but there’s talk about recovering land by building into the lake to build more.
- paulr

Aaron Montgomery Ward is name you're looking for..
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