Agree off to a bad start but Torts doing what Torts does, under 10 minutes of ice time, Frost needs to go, let him play his way through the season, maybe he will be worth a bag of pucks. Torts when from not playing him to barely playing him, on a team that is going nowhere, with other playing who struggled just as much, some are allowed to keep playing
- wcorvette

In this case I dont think it is torts. Torts has given him a much longer leash than hes ever had. Aside from this game and the one where he spent a shift or 2 on the 4th line Frost has remained in the lineup and playing. He has been allowed to play through it but he hasnt. He is still Averaging 15 mins of ice time over the season. He has had over 15 mins of ice time 8 times over 15 games. Lasy night was the 1st time hes had less than 10 mins

I came into the season expecting Frost to take a step forward and show us he "has the goods". Despite being the 2nd line C he hasnt showed much aside from playing well with Michkov which isnt really hard to do given his skill. Frost is now 25 and hasnt really showed us much and Im afraid it looks like this may be all he is unless something changes soon.

Hands down the Jack Adams Award winner
- THE BLACK HAND

The NHL should come up with a new award for coaches called the John Tortorella Award, given to the coach who develops young talent the best.

If the plan was build thru the draft, why sign TK to an 8 yr deal? Even if by some miracle, Luchanko and even 2 of the 1st rdrs this yea make a major impact, realistically they would be Cup.contenders in 5 yrs. That is very optimistic Luchanko being 23 yrs old. TK is out of his prime. Their plan with building thru draft does not match up with the extensions Briere has handed out. If they do not trade for a Zegras type player (25 or below, underachieving, but shown flashes of being good, not on an ELC) who may come available, then they are really more clueless then I thought. Look at the Cats last night, they acquired Reinhart from BUF. At the time, did anyone believe he would turn into an elite scorer. Nope. BUF thought he was young and underachieving, so they cashed out early. The savvy GMs take advantage of these opportunities.
- Trox88

Because Briere thought the team was closer to turning the corner due to last seasons success. Whether his stance has changed is unknown. It is not like we were going to get a top 10 pick for Konecny either. It was likely going to be a late 1st pick. My understanding is that the Flyers believe that young players develop better playing with good players who are going to be part of the team for a while over random FAs that probably wont be there more than a year.

If you look at ANH their young stars are all struggling after showing Success. Gauthier is off to a rough start. Zegras has struggled after back 2 back 60 point seasons. McTavish is now struggling and was on the 4th line. Drysdale came to us in rough shape. Maybe its all moot and cream just rising to the top no matter the process. A good player will end up good no matter what.

Yes the Cats acquired Reinhart but they had other pieces already. They already had Ekblad, Barkov, Huberdeau and Bob before acquiring him. We got Michkov and maybe if we are lucky we can say Drysdale in a year or so. FLA also surrendered a 1st round pick(28th) and top goalie prospect(Levi) to do so. Something they were in a much better position to part with. Flyer equivalent is going to be their 1st(Likely top 5 at this rate) and Zavragin.

Flyers are not in a position where it would be wise to part with that type of package for a guy most people see as a #2 C

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Im not a huge fan of adding Zegras. Unless ANH plans on giving him away Id rather not. He is at best a #2C which may not even be needed. If we suck and land Hagens he seems like someone that goes straight to the NHL and with Luchenko likely on the team as well the top 3 C spots are taken

If the Flyers dont appear to be in the mix then maybe you can consider it though the cost wouldnt make sense for the Flyers IMO. They should just continue to build through the draft.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I’d steer away from zegras completely. Especially if they want draft picks back. The plan should be to play the kids as much as possible without a fear of being scratched if they make a mistake. Also, I’d be ok with trading any vets for picks or prospects but I’d be leery of trading York or Foerster yet unless it’s an overpay with a young player. Re stock the cupboards this draft with hopefully some high picks.

I’ll add, a shrewd gm would be calling th e buffalo ottawa and Detroit type teams who are expected to turn the corner this year but still likely out of the playoffs. Look to exploit the desperation and be flexible on options to take back salary for picks or young players. Ideally you could dish some of the vets or underperforming young players for one of their young players with a higher ceiling or picks and kick start the rebuild here. Target centres!!!

If he’s smart he demands a trade or heads back to Russia. Torts needs to go. He has nothing left.
- Flyfly

……..

Torts isn’t going to be around forever. We know this is his last stop anywhere. High draft picks play for bad teams in their young careers. It’s just a given.

Flyers 30 seconds away from getting at least 4 out of 6 points on this road trip. Like I said before the trip started, you can't count this group out. This was a successful trip.
- jd250

Out of what? How many regulation wins do they have? They are a last place team going nowhere.

https://x.com/KKurzNHL/st...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Wow, the fan base and Torts lovers will eat this up.

https://x.com/KKurzNHL/status/1855430814319948285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1855430814319948285%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Wow, the fan base and Torts lovers will eat this up.
- furio16

I’m not giving Torts credit for this. Sitting Michkov for one game is fine (I guess) but the team has looked better. I think individually Frost needs to sit. I’m not understanding the Drysdale top pair push. Drysdale basically gifted Sam Reinhart his best opportunity to score of the whole game. Drysdale has been about as uneven as uneven gets. Seeler I thought had one of his worst games especially on the panthers third goal.

……..

Torts isn’t going to be around forever. We know this is his last stop anywhere. High draft picks play for bad teams in their young careers. It’s just a given.
- roenick97

I don’t think it’s a bad thing for Michkov’s development to sit some games. It might be a good thing for his health. He is a smaller guy and not used to the physicality of the NHL. It just sucks for Flyers fans who are starving for some entertainment. I’m pretty simple minded. I watch hockey because it’s fun. I want to see some flash or I want to see some bash. I’m not really seeing either.

https://x.com/KKurzNHL/status/1855430814319948285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1855430814319948285%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Wow, the fan base and Torts lovers will eat this up.
- furio16

Haha. Well they’d be better with mm in the lineup. At minimum he’d be better than having dlo play 5 mins a night and could help a bad pp1. Maybe they’d have won last night if he was in? I wonder if they thought of that?

https://x.com/KKurzNHL/status/1855430814319948285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1855430814319948285%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Wow, the fan base and Torts lovers will eat this up.
- furio16

Hysterical

The Flyers played on this road trip like they were playing last season.
The template, aggressive forecheck, hound the other team for 200 feet, roll 3 lines for about equal minutes.
They don't have enough talent to be a playoff team with this style without a few more players, but the template is set.

Sanheim is making a case for being a #1 D-man, playing big minutes and carrying the load.
Risto has been solid, but a little high in the lineup.
Andrae gets better each game, still making mistakes where he tries to do too much, but smooth skater, good passer, nice vision, shows no fear.
Drysdale has rocks for brains, he's got all the physical tools but he reminds me of TDA without the psychosis. See sheltered 3rd pair role in his future. Of course, Gauthier has 0 goals in 13 games.
Zamula is meh, depth guy, may get moved this summer.

Richard is showing what they already knew, he's a AAA plus guy. He's fast but smaller, lacks enough skill for top 9 and isn't really a NHL forechecker.
Farabee seems to have his mojo back, but so many chances.
Tippett is flying again and making things happen, 2 posts.
Brink is skating much better and starting to show his skill package.
Couts is an older version of himself, really a D first center who's best crashing the net on offense.
Frost is what he is, a 3C who can be carried by wings who open up space for him, but isn't a 2C who can drive a line and raise his linemates' play. Best with Tippett and TK, like last season.
Laughton's value has rebounded nicely and rebuilt his value. They'll move him either this TDL or next season after Luchanko has 60 games under his belt (and Laughton is a pending UFA).

Foerster - Couts - Michkov
Tippett - Frost - TK
Farabee - Laughton - Brink
should be your top 3 lines.

I think the reason they didn't bring up Lycksell is they don't see a role for him, not top 9 with this group, lacks speed.
I think they want to keep adding speed, especially the bottom six, if you can't score, raise hell.

Avon has speed but isn't ready, Tuomaala has speed but is still focused on offense, hasn't realized his ticket is 4th line forechecker, then work your way up the lineup, not good enough to be gifted a top 9 spot.

Because Briere thought the team was closer to turning the corner due to last seasons success. Whether his stance has changed is unknown. It is not like we were going to get a top 10 pick for Konecny either. It was likely going to be a late 1st pick. My understanding is that the Flyers believe that young players develop better playing with good players who are going to be part of the team for a while over random FAs that probably wont be there more than a year.

If you look at ANH their young stars are all struggling after showing Success. Gauthier is off to a rough start. Zegras has struggled after back 2 back 60 point seasons. McTavish is now struggling and was on the 4th line. Drysdale came to us in rough shape. Maybe its all moot and cream just rising to the top no matter the process. A good player will end up good no matter what.

Yes the Cats acquired Reinhart but they had other pieces already. They already had Ekblad, Barkov, Huberdeau and Bob before acquiring him. We got Michkov and maybe if we are lucky we can say Drysdale in a year or so. FLA also surrendered a 1st round pick(28th) and top goalie prospect(Levi) to do so. Something they were in a much better position to part with. Flyer equivalent is going to be their 1st(Likely top 5 at this rate) and Zavragin.

Flyers are not in a position where it would be wise to part with that type of package for a guy most people see as a #2 C
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I would like to discuss the FLA model more. You are correct Ekblad and Barkov were drafted and signed long term. Zito then took all assets available to him to build around them. Tkachuk when he was traded was not the playoff beast he turned into after the trade. Zito gave up significant assets to get him. Same with Reinhart. IMO, when Briere re signed Tippett and Briere, he believes they are part of a foundation along with Michkov. If the Flyers stick to this plan of drafting and developing and hope most prospects contribute significantly- TK is out of his prime, and Tippett is many years into his extension. You are correct TK in trade would have not gotten a top !0 pick. However, the assets acquired in a TK trade would have better fit the timeline of drafting and developing exclusively. Hopefully by the time Michkov is 23, these prospects are studs on ELCs. IMO, that is not the path Briere is choosing. Certainly could be wrong.

https://x.com/KKurzNHL/status/1855430814319948285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1855430814319948285%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Wow, the fan base and Torts lovers will eat this up.
- furio16

That Kurz guy sure loves himself some Torts.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing for Michkov’s development to sit some games. It might be a good thing for his health. He is a smaller guy and not used to the physicality of the NHL. It just sucks for Flyers fans who are starving for some entertainment. I’m pretty simple minded. I watch hockey because it’s fun. I want to see some flash or I want to see some bash. I’m not really seeing either.
- Dkos

Well said.

In this case I dont think it is torts. Torts has given him a much longer leash than hes ever had. Aside from this game and the one where he spent a shift or 2 on the 4th line Frost has remained in the lineup and playing. He has been allowed to play through it but he hasnt. He is still Averaging 15 mins of ice time over the season. He has had over 15 mins of ice time 8 times over 15 games. Lasy night was the 1st time hes had less than 10 mins

I came into the season expecting Frost to take a step forward and show us he "has the goods". Despite being the 2nd line C he hasnt showed much aside from playing well with Michkov which isnt really hard to do given his skill. Frost is now 25 and hasnt really showed us much and Im afraid it looks like this may be all he is unless something changes soon.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Agree he hasn’t grabbed it, been the story of this team, but Torts has sat him in the 3rd, has sat him for long stretches, coming off last game of last season playing the grinders. It’s in Frost, but what is best for the franchised play them all and move who you have too.

at this point i'd much rather keep farabee than frost

If the Flyers were losing with the same record, but the games were like 6-4 (Carolina) and the young building blocks were playing and improving, the rebuild would be fun to watch. This is not what’s happening. They are boring. Generally it’s not Frabaee, Frost, Nrink, Drysdale, and Foerester making it fun to watch. Now with MM39 being benched by this pompous Neanderthal behind the bench, it almost feels like we’re back to the Fletcher years with Vigneault behind the bench. While those were hopeless times, we are a fragile fan base and this so-called rebuild is giving off very bad vibes.

If the Flyers were losing with the same record, but the games were like 6-4 (Carolina) and the young building blocks were playing and improving, the rebuild would be fun to watch. This is not what’s happening. They are boring. Generally it’s not Frabaee, Frost, Nrink, Drysdale, and Foerester making it fun to watch. Now with MM39 being benched by this pompous Neanderthal behind the bench, it almost feels like we’re back to the Fletcher years with Vigneault behind the bench. While those were hopeless times, we are a fragile fan base and this so-called rebuild is giving off very bad vibes.
- mikeyo27

Is the alternative Montreal? They aren’t doing anything right over there, all the prospects in the world and they look like sh!t. Needs to be a balance. Torts ain’t it tho I agree.

Is the alternative Montreal? They aren’t doing anything right over there, all the prospects in the world and they look like sh!t. Needs to be a balance. Torts ain’t it tho I agree.
- ClaudeFather

I don’t know. A good point but I haven’t followed Montreal much this year. If Slakovsky and Caufield and Hutson are doing well and improving, then yeah maybe they’re the Habs. But I think Montreal has more older guys and underachievers as well (Laine and Dache are reclamation projects) but I’m really not sure I can disagree with your point in your comparison. Seems like the Habs suck though.

If the Flyers were losing with the same record, but the games were like 6-4 (Carolina) and the young building blocks were playing and improving, the rebuild would be fun to watch. This is not what’s happening. They are boring. Generally it’s not Frabaee, Frost, Nrink, Drysdale, and Foerester making it fun to watch. Now with MM39 being benched by this pompous Neanderthal behind the bench, it almost feels like we’re back to the Fletcher years with Vigneault behind the bench. While those were hopeless times, we are a fragile fan base and this so-called rebuild is giving off very bad vibes.
- mikeyo27

yesterday's game wasn't entertaining?

I don’t know. A good point but I haven’t followed Montreal much this year. If Slakovsky and Caufield and Hutson are doing well and improving, then yeah maybe they’re the Habs. But I think Montreal has more older guys and underachievers as well (Laine and Dache are reclamation projects) but I’m really not sure I can disagree with your point in your comparison. Seems like the Habs suck though.
- mikeyo27

It seems like if your established core hits the ice for a few seasons and there isn’t success, it’s not going to happen. Look at Buffalo and Ottawa, maybe one of them gets in this year but it’s year what for these guys and they haven’t been able to compete in the slightest.

It seems like if your established core hits the ice for a few seasons and there isn’t success, it’s not going to happen. Look at Buffalo and Ottawa, maybe one of them gets in this year but it’s year what for these guys and they haven’t been able to compete in the slightest.
- ClaudeFather

As I watch these games, I do not get any feeling they are taking a step forward

As I watch these games, I do not get any feeling they are taking a step forward
- furio16

I certainly didn’t expect them to, not many people did.

No great loss when a guy can't see a 5 story parking deck