To get the win they had to play 4 of their D-men 20+ min, including one that just came back from injury. Gran seems solid why did he only get 12 min? Also, Seeler with only 13; he seems to not be getting as many minutes. Is it possible his contract was yet another mistake in a long line of mistakes that has spanned several GMs?
- mr4tno

I would look at the shift charts. In the 3rd period, Ristolainen, Sanheim, York and Andrae were playing really well and the Flyers were pressing to get back in the game. If the Flyers had the lead in the 3rd, Seeler would've played more. Game situations. Time place and score

Friedman reporting CLB looking for a similiar young player back for Jiricek. Would not be surprised if Foerster is involved if a deal gets done.
- Trox88

We always see the logic in acquiring young players in need of a change of scenery but my confidence in Briere swinging a deal and getting Jirecek is extremely low

We always see the logic in acquiring young players in need of a change of scenery but my confidence in Briere swinging a deal and getting Jirecek is extremely low
- mikeyo27

I think it would take more to get Jiricek than just Foerster and I really don't want to trade Foerster

I agree that Richard should be given a longer look. That said, ND hasn't played in 2 weeks and will not play much unless there is injury. It's time for the haters to get past ND.
- Don Nachbaur

He is a wasted roster spot.

Typical get off of my lawn Canadians. Steve Kouleus is the worst of the bunch! Of course, they would ignore the Russian. Some things will never change. There's still some folks up there that think the Flyers are still the Broad Street Bullies. Nothing against Canadians in general. Been there many times and folks are cool.
- Phillywhiteout

Yes. I’m Canadian and I deal with that all the time. A lot of supposed hockey fans up here couldn’t name one flyer and think it’s still the bsb. Most of them are blind leafs fans that don’t really follow the league just the leafs.

Yes. I’m Canadian and I deal with that all the time. A lot of supposed hockey fans up here couldn’t name one flyer and think it’s still the bsb. Most of them are blind leafs fans that don’t really follow the league just the leafs.
- Hextall271

It doesn't matter what those guys say. It's November. As long as he doesn't fall off a cliff, he is going to be in the running for the Calder

I want the young players playing, including Frost. Keeping him up gives Tortorella another option and reason to scratch a young player.
- MJL

He earned a spot on merit did he not?

He earned a spot on merit did he not?
- furio16

So, who comes out of last nights lineup for him?

So, who comes out of last nights lineup for him?
- Dkos

Frost?

It doesn't matter what those guys say. It's November. As long as he doesn't fall off a cliff, he is going to be in the running for the Calder
- MJL

My point it’s an idiotic homer take. How does the guy get awarded rookie of the month but not make any of the top three named? Just shows you the level of bias

My point it’s an idiotic homer take. How does the guy get awarded rookie of the month but not make any of the top three named? Just shows you the level of bias
- Hextall271

Yes, which is why I said it doesn't matter what those guys say. It doesn't make sense to say a player leading all rookies in scoring is not a current favorite for the Calder.

Friedman reporting CLB looking for a similiar young player back for Jiricek. Would not be surprised if Foerster is involved if a deal gets done.
- Trox88

Drysdale

boom

Frost is a much better player than Poehling is.
- MJL

and yet RP was drafted ahead of him.

some folks hate Torts so much they are willing to "fall in love with players" like Frost just to be a contrarian.

Did Frost play?
He had a nice defensive play, but any line with him centering it seemed to go nowhere.
Three lines with him
w Farabee & TK, 4:07, xGF 22.51%
w Michkov & Tippett 3:03, xGF 0.00%
w Michkov & Foerster, 3:55, xGF 0.00%

I believe that Frost needs to and can play with more intensity. I don't think it's because he has a natural lack of compete. I think it's because of the environment that this coach has created for him. Even when he has played well, this coach has sat him or taken away ice time or benched him in games. He's tentative because he's trying to avoid mistakes. Stopped attempting higher risk plays that a playmaker like him can make. Knowing that one poor play will see him back in the press box again. Couple that with being on an expiring contract. Reality is sinking in that Tortorella has created another situation where a player asset is devalued and the most likely course is that a change of scenery needs to happen at this point. It's not going to happen here for this player under this coach. The question then becomes which player will take his place and fill the insatiable need this coach has to need a whipping boy. Like a toddler needs a teddy bear.
- MJL

The idea that Torts dislikes Frost isn't based in reality.
Torts has repeatedly praised Frost for improving defensively.

Torts is frustrated with Frost b/c he can't translate his skill in production, he doesn't have the motor of TK or the killer instinct of Michkov. I don't know if it's simply a matter of being a half second slow ("almost making plays") or just not wired that way.

I wonder how Briere views Frost. Briere was smaller than Frost but with a similar skill set, took him to age 24 to win a starting job (in a time where it was much tougher for smaller forwards) - so is he patient with a potential late bloomer or does he see a player who lacks the intangibles that made Briere a top NHL player?

Drysdale

boom
- THE BLACK HAND

Unfortunately no, everything I have read suggests young fwd. They will also trade Provy as a rental so probably get draft capital in return. I mentioned Foerster because he is going to be an RFA this summer coming off a good rookie season. He has shown potential as a two way fwd and won't cost that much to re sign in the summer on a bridge deal. For the Flyers, Jiricek is the long term replacement for Risto in the top 4- ideally better. Still would be plenty of room for Bonk in the top 6 long term.

The idea that Torts dislikes Frost isn't based in reality.
Torts has repeatedly praised Frost for improving defensively.


- Striiker

That is false. Tortorella has treated Frost differently than any other player. Tortorella is not genuine or truthful in his comments. He is manipulative. He has criticized Frost far more than he has praised him. Focus on what Tortorella actually does, not what he says. That is the actual reality.

Torts is frustrated with Frost b/c he can't translate his skill in production, he doesn't have the motor of TK or the killer instinct of Michkov. I don't know if it's simply a matter of being a half second slow ("almost making plays") or just not wired that way.


- Striiker

Frost has absolutely translated his skill into production. He has led the Flyers in scoring over significant periods of time as a Flyer. He is just inconsistent. Same as Konecny was when developing. Frost's lack of compete or lack of a killer instinct or whatever you want to call it. Is not inherent in the player. It is a product of how the coach has handled him and the environment that has been created here by Tortorella.

I wonder how Briere views Frost. Briere was smaller than Frost but with a similar skill set, took him to age 24 to win a starting job (in a time where it was much tougher for smaller forwards) - so is he patient with a potential late bloomer or does he see a player who lacks the intangibles that made Briere a top NHL player?
- Striiker

I don't know but it is becoming more clearer to me that it is not going to happen for Frost here under this coach. Bill Meltzer had posted a number of times that he talked to scouts that said they think Frost can develop but it won't happen here. That was a significant period of time ago. That is coming to the forefront. I hope for Frost's sake, that he is traded to get away from Tortorella. He is a horrendous player development coach.

Unfortunately no, everything I have read suggests young fwd. They will also trade Provy as a rental so probably get draft capital in return. I mentioned Foerster because he is going to be an RFA this summer coming off a good rookie season. He has shown potential as a two way fwd and won't cost that much to re sign in the summer on a bridge deal. For the Flyers, Jiricek is the long term replacement for Risto in the top 4- ideally better. Still would be plenty of room for Bonk in the top 6 long term.
- Trox88

i wonder if Frost+ gets you Jiricek or if they'd want someone younger. more likely we'd have to part with someone like forester or brink in that scenario - and a Frost trade brings back a similar reclamation project.


other predictions:

i do not see them trading laughton ever.

brink is the new whipping boy but will actually have big games after being sat

Unfortunately no, everything I have read suggests young fwd. They will also trade Provy as a rental so probably get draft capital in return. I mentioned Foerster because he is going to be an RFA this summer coming off a good rookie season. He has shown potential as a two way fwd and won't cost that much to re sign in the summer on a bridge deal. For the Flyers, Jiricek is the long term replacement for Risto in the top 4- ideally better. Still would be plenty of room for Bonk in the top 6 long term.
- Trox88

I wanted to draft Jiricek. We got Cutter which begot Drysdale and a 2nd....i still would rather have drafted Jiricek

i also think that the Ducks 2nd is more valuable than Drysdale at this point.....cant make this poop up

So, who comes out of last nights lineup for him?
- Dkos

He has earned a roster spot. Didn’t say he had to be in the lineup. Do you disagree he hasn’t earned a longer look?

Though take your pick who comes out as many have underperformed.

Would also save a a few hundred K on the cap by waiving ND I believe.

i wonder if Frost+ gets you Jiricek or if they'd want someone younger. more likely we'd have to part with someone like forester or brink in that scenario - and a Frost trade brings back a similar reclamation project.


other predictions:

i do not see them trading laughton ever.

brink is the new whipping boy but will actually have big games after being sat
- black_francis

You’re in the Frost isn’t very good camp. Yet you want him as the centerpiece to a deal for a former 6th overall 2 years ago. Better be a big plus.

and yet RP was drafted ahead of him.

some folks hate Torts so much they are willing to "fall in love with players" like Frost just to be a contrarian.
- black_francis

That's not what it's about at all.
Ryan Poehling and Morgan Frost are two very different players.

Ryan Poehling
Center 6'2" 205 lbs Shoots: Left

Pre draft scouting reports:

The Draft Analyst: Poehling is a big center with the potential to play on the top line. As a freshman at St. Cloud State, he played in a depth role, but his talent was evident.

ISS Hockey - Mar. 19th: "Powerful skater with a nice stride & quick first steps. Must improve on details of defensive game"

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Playing as a true freshman is challenging, but this hard-working, two-way centre is working through it. Got off to a slow start, but has improved steadily all season. Competes hard and has offensive skill."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 15th: "Gifted skater, but his hockey IQ & overall playmaking skills that make him such a unique player."

Mike Morreale NHL.com - Jan. 20th: "The 6-2, 183-pound forward brings speed and smarts and seems to make things happen at the right time. He generates offense in clutch situations, and is close to being the complete package despite being the youngest player in the NCAA; he turned 18 on Jan. 3."

Dennis Schellenberg Hockey Prospectus - Nov. 9th: "A leader on the ice, Poehling has the makeup to become a reliable two-way center at NHL-level. He is big, controls the puck well and is not easy to separate from the puck because of his strong skating balance, puck protection skills and overall compete level. Has leadership skills and communicates actively."

Elite Prospects: Poehling has high ratings for acceleration and shooting accuracy.

Morgan Frost
Center 6'0" 170 lbs Shoots: Left

Pre draft scouting reports:

Future Considerations: "A playmaking pivot who reads the game intelligently…calm and poised…agile on his skates and possesses excellent edgework, enabling him to cut in and out of defenders quickly to make plays…always looking for his best option…carries the puck with speed and is strong on the attack, dishing at the right time and right on the tape of his target before continuing on into the zone as a pass back option…smart with and without the puck…not much of a shooter as he looks to distribute the puck on the majority of plays…like many true playmakers, seems to be able to sense or even force defenders to collapse in on him, creating time and space for his teammates to get in position for one of his beautiful setups."

Ryan Biech - Oilers Nation: "A skilled playmaker who reads the play well and makes perfect passes on the regular is an intriguing prospect in the middle part of the second round. He didn’t blow the doors off with his production or play but he has the size, anticipation, puck skills and passing abilities that he has legitimate upside."

Corey Pronman: "Morgan Frost is a player who gets most of his value from his brain. He’s a very smart all-around hockey player, but if his feet are truly of a high level, it makes his high pick slot by Philadelphia very reasonable. [most NHL clubs had Frost projeted to be drafted high to mid 2nd round]"

I think Poehling's skating ability and size had him overvalued as a prospect as it's no secret NHL scouts place a lot of merit in size alone. Poehling isn't a slow skater but you rarely notice bursts of speed or overall top level skating ability from him.
I think Frost's IQ and slowing the game down to open up lanes for puck distribution had a lot of scouts rating his skating and speed (outside of his excellent agility and edgework) as mid to poor, lowering his overall draft positioning.

You’re in the Frost isn’t very good camp. Yet you want him as the centerpiece to a deal for a former 6th overall 2 years ago. Better be a big plus.
- furio16

i only pose the question because they are similarly down on jiricek to the point of sending him down. maybe they bite on that since frost plays a desirable position. but it's also why i said the most likely scenario is one of our younger wingers.

That's not what it's about at all.
Ryan Poehling and Morgan Frost are two very different players.
- Pixote Andolini

it's fine that they are different players, doesn't mean that GMs don't value one skill set over another.

i'm still trying to comprehend that frost is 6 ft. he plays a small game.

I think the flyers did him a disservice by drafting him in the first round if most teams had him going in the 2nd. the guy has had unrealistic expectations set on him from the get-go.

it's fine that they are different players, doesn't mean that GMs don't value one skill set over another.
- black_francis

But in this case it's not about the GM, it's about the coach's handling of the player. Which makes it so much more of a head-scratcher on an offensive starved team. Torts also has a track record of neutering offensive players who later left his clutches of control to go on and break out offensively with different teams.