And Colorado lucked into Makar, Winnipeg lucked into Connor, and so one and so on. That is the essance of the draft, there is a lot of luck needed. The Flyers have had such bad luck in the draft, (JVR at number 2, Patrick) they were due to have some luck. Credit the Flyers though for taking the risk, believing in Michkov and seeing it through.
- jd250

Not remotely the same situation. Michkov fell to 7th due to teams foolishly being concerned about the geo-political situation when normally, he would've gone much higher. I agree the Flyers deserve credit for not passing up on him but they got lucky he was there.

No, that's not my logic. What I posted refers to games played and no, I'm not wrong.
- MJL

You posted "Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division."
Where did you say games played?

And what is your point in when referring to Games Played?
Columbus has played less games than everyone in the division except for the Rangers.

The Flyers are 6th in point percentage but who gives an F about that.

You posted "Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division."
Where did you say games played?

And what is your point in when referring to Games Played?
Columbus has played less games than everyone in the division except for the Rangers.

The Flyers are 6th in point percentage but who gives an F about that.
- WhiskeyMan

Points percentage only matters if you are tied in points. Which they are not tied so it’s irrelevant

Chose Ottawa to go home, interesting if he makes himself available. Leaning towards no.
- ClaudeFather

Also choose the money as not so sure anyone was giving him that 3 year deal Ottawa did at the time.

Also choose the money as not so sure anyone was giving him that 3 year deal Ottawa did at the time.
- furio16

I’m sure most teams would have given him that deal given he was Interested. Look at the production over the contract.

You posted "Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division."
Where did you say games played?

And what is your point in when referring to Games Played?
Columbus has played less games than everyone in the division except for the Rangers.

The Flyers are 6th in point percentage but who gives an F about that.
- WhiskeyMan

Points percentage during the season, gives the more accurate view of where a team stands in the standings. You should care about it because it is more relevant than points during the season with teams playing a uneven number of games.

You posted "Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division."
Where did you say games played?

And what is your point in when referring to Games Played?
Columbus has played less games than everyone in the division except for the Rangers.

The Flyers are 6th in point percentage but who gives an F about that.
- WhiskeyMan

If the teams continue to accumulate points at the same pace throughout the season the Flyers will remain in 6th place in the division and not make the playoffs. Just accounting for current amount of points they are in a playoff spot right now.

I’m sure most teams would have given him that deal given he was Interested. Look at the production over the contract.
- ClaudeFather

Florida would not have given him that deal. Nor did they. Then they go on to great success. He could have taken less to stay in Florida.

Hid production is not an issue as he has performed very well. Just don't think he would have got that deal from any contending team.

Florida would not have given him that deal. Nor did they. Then they go on to great success. He could have taken less to stay in Florida.

Hid production is not an issue as he has performed very well. Just don't think he would have got that deal from any contending team.
- furio16

Florida went through a wholesale change as a team, bad example

Florida went through a wholesale change as a team, bad example
- ClaudeFather

It is a great example as that was the last team he played for. He wanted more money and longer term. They said no thanks.

It is a great example as that was the last team he played for. He wanted more money and longer term.
- furio16

Your narrative that Ottawa was the only place where he could have gotten his deal is extremely foolish. We’re done here

Building a team through free agency instead of focusing on the draft when your team is not close to a contending level is an example of maintaining the old strategies and methods of team building that they refuse to get away from. That has plagued them and why they haven't been relevant as a team in over a decade.
- MJL

But they are not building a team through free agency. They are using all the means available to them which includes free agency. What is wrong with this? I don't want them to be a bubble team forever, do you? They got Luchanko and Bonk coming next year, maybe Barkey also. They have a good veteran core. They have draft capital and next year they will have cap space. The road ahead looks positive.

Points percentage during the season, gives the more accurate view of where a team stands in the standings. You should care about it because it is more relevant than points during the season with teams playing a uneven number of games.
- MJL

The Flyers are 1 point off their pace from last season, which was a playoff position. They have also scored only 1 less goal, but given up 13 more goals, and that is with the injury to Ersson. The Flyers have turned it around since starting 1-6. Why can't you give them any credit?

Earlier this morning you posted that there is no such thing as a low zone collapse defensive system. Now here you are stating that the Flyers are playing that system. Which is it? Tortorella has not evolved. He is playing the same systems and the same way that he has his entire coaching career. He does not believe in systems advantages or other tools that a team can gain an edge with. Such as using analytics. He is and remains archaic.
- MJL

I am going to quote from the first link you referenced:

We are a defense first team. Exiting our zone quickly, effectively, and with the puck under control is important, but it is secondary to maintaining our defensive structure in the our own zone. Players must learn to read the play and anticipate the right opportunity to breakout of the zone.

The Flyers do NOT play a defense first system. They play an attacking system that emphasizes first and foremost exiting the zone quickly with the puck under control via short passes and 5 man units. WHEN, and ONLY WHEN, the Flyers get hemmed in their own zone and are stuck in an extended shift, they will collapse and keep the pucks to the outside. You are confusing how the Flyers play under this specific circumstance with how the Flyers want to play for the entire game. A rookie mistake. NO pro team has a goal to play this coverage in their own end. It's a necessesity under cirtain circumstances, and again, I was taught this when I was in Pee Wees!

But by your logic if Columbus is ahead of the Flyers, 25 is more than 27. Or you can't admit you may have been wrong?
- WhiskeyMan

He is probably taking games in hand, but what he is forgetting is you can't count them as wins until they do.

They very well can lose them both

He is probably taking games in hand, but what he is forgetting is you can't count them as wins until they do.

They very well can lose them both
- SlNlSTER

Only MJL can create a controversy over published NHL standings. The NHL seems to think the Flyers are in 5th place in the Metro, why can't you just accept this? Yes the Flyers have two games in hand over the Rangers and Blue Jackets, but that is irrelevant until it isn't. If you think Columbus is going to finish ahead of the Flyers you have got to be joking.

Sounds like Risto Sanheim and TK have made their 4 nations squads

Michkov is going to go far in this league! He is impressive on and off the ice!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1n6QKPiSKNM

But they are not building a team through free agency. They are using all the means available to them which includes free agency. What is wrong with this? I don't want them to be a bubble team forever, do you? They got Luchanko and Bonk coming next year, maybe Barkey also. They have a good veteran core. They have draft capital and next year they will have cap space. The road ahead looks positive.
- jd250

They are going to. They don't view themselves as rebuilding. They view Michkov as putting them toward the endgame where they can then use Free Agency to try and bolster the team. A rebuilding team does not re-sign Konecny, Seeler or Hathaway. They are going to escalate a soon as they can. The POHO is on record in saying so.
Fans are falling down the same rabbit hole they did last year. Thinking this team is heading somewhere. They aren't. Where they're heading is to the same place they always get to. An average team lacking elite talent that is capped out and will eventually have to start all over again.

The Flyers are 1 point off their pace from last season, which was a playoff position. They have also scored only 1 less goal, but given up 13 more goals, and that is with the injury to Ersson. The Flyers have turned it around since starting 1-6. Why can't you give them any credit?
- jd250

The Flyers did not make the playoffs last season. They haven't turned anything around. They're right there with bottom teams and teams that Flyers fans routinely criticize such as Columbus.

Only MJL can create a controversy over published NHL standings. The NHL seems to think the Flyers are in 5th place in the Metro, why can't you just accept this? Yes the Flyers have two games in hand over the Rangers and Blue Jackets, but that is irrelevant until it isn't. If you think Columbus is going to finish ahead of the Flyers you have got to be joking.
- jd250

Completely agree, and they are only climbing in the standings, but MJL doesn't want to accept it because if they make the playoffs then it makes his trots bashing look silly

I said frost is a meathead that tries to dance around ppl and always cuffs up the puck instead of making the simple play of dumping it in or passing. And also said if he isn't putting up points on the board he is useless and doesn't bring anything else to the table

I am going to quote from the first link you referenced:

We are a defense first team. Exiting our zone quickly, effectively, and with the puck under control is important, but it is secondary to maintaining our defensive structure in the our own zone. Players must learn to read the play and anticipate the right opportunity to breakout of the zone.

The Flyers do NOT play a defense first system. They play an attacking system that emphasizes first and foremost exiting the zone quickly with the puck under control via short passes and 5 man units. WHEN, and ONLY WHEN, the Flyers get hemmed in their own zone and are stuck in an extended shift, they will collapse and keep the pucks to the outside. You are confusing how the Flyers play under this specific circumstance with how the Flyers want to play for the entire game. A rookie mistake. NO pro team has a goal to play this coverage in their own end. It's a necessesity under cirtain circumstances, and again, I was taught this when I was in Pee Wees!
- jd250

The Flyers unquestionably play a defensive first game. Tortorella does not know how to coach offense, self admitted. You're attempting to discuss systems in detail when you have shown, by making statements such as there is no such thing as a low zone collapse defensive system when more than half of the league plays that defensive zone system. If you learn the low zone collapse defensive system. You would see that there are numerous elements in how a team plays in the defensive system depending on where the puck is and how the opposition is attacking. You incorrectly think it's just sit back and collapse around the net because you aren't knowledgeable of NHL systems. The links I supplied detailed that.

Only MJL can create a controversy over published NHL standings. The NHL seems to think the Flyers are in 5th place in the Metro, why can't you just accept this? Yes the Flyers have two games in hand over the Rangers and Blue Jackets, but that is irrelevant until it isn't. If you think Columbus is going to finish ahead of the Flyers you have got to be joking.
- jd250

There is no controversy. Simply an understanding of the standings and what is the most accurate way to view them and judge where your team actually stands. Nor was there any prediction made on who would finish higher in the standings between the Flyers and Columbus. The number of games played is very relevant and needs to be considered to make an accurate judgement.

That was what? 10 years ago? Torts has evolved. The Flyers are playing that system. Sure they have to protect the house, in this case the slot area, but I was taught that when I was a pee wee. There is nothing magical about that. The Flyers want to play a modern style and are trying to do that, but against top teams they just don't have the talent to do it.
- jd250

Why don’t they have the talent? Is part of thag reason they type of players they draft and prefer?

Your narrative that Ottawa was the only place where he could have gotten his deal is extremely foolish. We’re done here
- ClaudeFather

There is no narrative. I clearly said no contending team would have given him that deal.