That can't be true. He's a bust and another wasted pick.. at 18 I know for sure he'll never be more than 4 th line AHL scrub..
- Hextall271

There isn't anyone who has posted or suggested that Luchanko will be a bust or won't be a good player.

Johnson has played 15 out of 25 games. Players like Seeler and Hathaway shouldn't be on the team. Flyers are too focused on competing for the playoffs
- MJL

I understand what you’re saying, these guys aren’t part of the future. I get it. I just don’t think your Johnson’s and Hathaways are costing you all that much - and I’m not sure any of the prospects benefit from steering the ship on their own this early.

Chicago is also rebuilding but are paying Foligno 5.5m a year. When they aren’t winning anything. So it’s for vet presence and intangibles.

Are they also doing it wrong?

As a side note, I think Michkov is going to be better than Bedard and Celebrini when all is said and done.

That is good to hear that he looks good and still have hope. I would have picked ZB everyday of the week over Jett but want the kid to flourish.
- Flyfly

Can’t say I disagree on ZB. Although Luchanko is winning me over as a prospect….I do see what the Flyers saw in him though. To me sky’s the limit on this guy.

There isn't anyone who has posted or suggested that Luchanko will be a bust or won't be a good player.
- MJL

Hmm. You routinely say you don't agree with the pick. And you always say we need centres. So if you think he's going to be a good player, and he's a centre, then why complain so much? Maybe ..just maybe wait to see if he pans out before saying you don't like the pick?

I understand what you’re saying, these guys aren’t part of the future. I get it. I just don’t think your Johnson’s and Hathaways are costing you all that much - and I’m not sure any of the prospects benefit from steering the ship on their own this early.

Chicago is also rebuilding but are paying Foligno 5.5m a year. When they aren’t winning anything. So it’s for vet presence and intangibles.

Are they also doing it wrong?

As a side note, I think Michkov is going to be better than Bedard and Celebrini when all is said and done.
- gritty_committee

WRT your last comment. Could you imagine if that ends up being the case? Wow.

Can’t say I disagree on ZB. Although Luchanko is winning me over as a prospect….I do see what the Flyers saw in him though. To me sky’s the limit on this guy.
- landros 2

I agree he looks good and the flyers might end up eating their hat on this one. I’ll also argue that given we are sitting here trying to figure out which D has to sit/be sent back while also complaining we have zero center depth… I think the planets aligned for Jett to be the pick. We need centers and the scouts really coveted his skill set.

If we draft buium, someone’s likely getting traded. The return on that is up in the air, and since we’d likely be trading for a center with good upside, why not just draft him outright?

WRT your last comment. Could you imagine if that ends up being the case? Wow.
- Hextall271

I’m not even imagining it. I’m seeing it in real time.

I understand what you’re saying, these guys aren’t part of the future. I get it. I just don’t think your Johnson’s and Hathaways are costing you all that much - and I’m not sure any of the prospects benefit from steering the ship on their own this early.

Chicago is also rebuilding but are paying Foligno 5.5m a year. When they aren’t winning anything. So it’s for vet presence and intangibles.

Are they also doing it wrong?

As a side note, I think Michkov is going to be better than Bedard and Celebrini when all is said and done.
- gritty_committee

Any young player added in their place wouldn't be steering the ship. They'd be in depth roles. The same as those veteran players are. The Flyers have plenty of other vets on the team including Couturier Sanheim and Konency.
I'm on record as saying you need veteran leadership and players to take on some of the heavy lifting to not overexpose young players. The Flyers tilt the scale too much to the vet side. It's not a question of how much it hurts player development but if it does.

Any young player added in their place wouldn't be steering the ship. They'd be in depth roles. The same as those veteran players are. The Flyers have plenty of other vets on the team including Couturier Sanheim and Konency.
I'm on record as saying you need veteran leadership and players to take on some of the heavy lifting to not overexpose young players. The Flyers tilt the scale too much to the vet side. It's not a question of how much it hurts player development but if it does.
- MJL

good explanation, you’re right in that the players that aren’t going anywhere (Coots, TK, Sanheim) are already accounting for veteran presence.

I don’t think the flyers have overcommitted to any of these middling vets, which is good. Long term they have Sanheim and TK who are above average IMO and I do think they made a decent gamble with Tippett (we shall see)

I think we are all in a “wait and see” game to see just how far Michkov actually pushes the teams trajectory. I’m not in the belief that one prospects can do that but, so far, mich seems to be the exception to the rule.

Hmm. You routinely say you don't agree with the pick. And you always say we need centres. So if you think he's going to be a good player, and he's a centre, then why complain so much? Maybe ..just maybe wait to see if he pans out before saying you don't like the pick?
- Hextall271

Hmm..... Maybe that's because Buium has the upside and is projected to be a #1 defenseman and has elite skills. While Luchanko is a good all around player, who is good in a lot of areas but does not have elite skills in any area besides skating. He is projected to be a 2/3C. My complaint is not that Luchanko isn't going to be a good player. It's that the Flyers picked the wrong player. Not sure how many times that needs to be explained.
Does the rule of waiting until the pick pans out before offering an opinion apply to me or to everyone?

good explanation, you’re right in that the players that aren’t going anywhere (TK, Sanheim) are already accounting for veteran presence.

I don’t think the flyers have overcommitted to any of these middling vets, which is good. Long term they have Sanheim and TK who are above average IMO and I do think they made a decent gamble with Tippett (we shall see)

I think we are all in a “wait and see” game to see just how far Michkov actually pushes the teams trajectory. I’m not in the belief that one prospects can do that but, so far, mich seems to be the exception to the rule.
- gritty_committee

Seeler was signed to a 4 year deal with trade protection. They don't seem willing to trade Laughton. They shouldn't have re-signed Hathaway.


The Flyers are not where many think they are. Falling into the same trap they fell into last season.

Seeler was signed to a 4 year deal with trade protection. They don't seem willing to trade Laughton. They shouldn't have re-signed Hathaway.


The Flyers are not where many think they are. Falling into the same trap they fell into last season.
- MJL

I do agree with Danny that Seeler worked well for this group and earned the contract. If you trade a guy like him you’re just out looking for the next Seeler. His words but I happen to agree. He’s here, you like him - grass isn’t always greener.

I think that having a rotating cast of players that don’t feel apart of the bigger picture, and are only on your team because they’re “young and cheap” can be detrimental too. Your good players might start asking “what are we doing here?”

Eventually you have to put a “team” together

I do agree with Danny that Seeler worked well for this group and earned the contract. If you trade a guy like him you’re just out looking for the next Seeler. His words but I happen to agree. He’s here, you like him - grass isn’t always greener.

I think that having a rotating cast of players that don’t feel apart of the bigger picture, and are only on your team because they’re “young and cheap” can be detrimental too. Your good players might start asking “what are we doing here?”

Eventually you have to put a “team” together
- gritty_committee

Good for him that he earned but he can get it somewhere else. It's about fit for the team. It doesn't make sense now to have a player of his age playing on the 3rd pair and signed to a 4 year deal. Why would they be looking for the next Seeler? They have defenseman ready to play that are young and could be part of the future. If need be, you can always get a vet on a one year deal. Heck I would prefer Erik Johnson over Seeler with that contract. Not that I think he is an equal player. They aren't on the team because they're young and cheap. They're on the team because they could be part of the future. The Flyers are one of the worst player development organizations in the league. You build a team and it is a long process. Flyers keep trying to take shortcuts that only prolong the process. 14 years and counting to be generous.

Good for him that he earned but he can get it somewhere else. It's about fit for the team. It doesn't make sense now to have a player of his age playing on the 3rd pair and signed to a 4 year deal. Why would they be looking for the next Seeler? They have defenseman ready to play that are young and could be part of the future. If need be, you can always get a vet on a one year deal. Heck I would prefer Erik Johnson over Seeler with that contract. Not that I think he is an equal player. They aren't on the team because they're young and cheap. They're on the team because they could be part of the future. The Flyers are one of the worst player development organizations in the league. You build a team and it is a long process. Flyers keep trying to take shortcuts that only prolong the process. 14 years and counting to be generous.
- MJL

Would the Seeler deal be better if it were only 2 years with zero trade protection? I feel like the way the deal is structured the writing may be on the wall - we still only may see two years of Seeler.

I disagree with the second bolded

I think your poehlings, cates, Hathaway’s, seelers, etc. are stop gap player, which is where we are - one elite prospect and not much else. I don’t think the flyers see any of these other guys as the future…but you do need to ice a decent team because A) it’s the NHL and B) you don’t want Michkov to think the team is completely hopeless. He needs to see some success with other good players so he doesn’t become disgruntled.

I do agree with Danny that Seeler worked well for this group and earned the contract. If you trade a guy like him you’re just out looking for the next Seeler. His words but I happen to agree. He’s here, you like him - grass isn’t always greener.

I think that having a rotating cast of players that don’t feel apart of the bigger picture, and are only on your team because they’re “young and cheap” can be detrimental too. Your good players might start asking “what are we doing here?”

Eventually you have to put a “team” together
- gritty_committee

wow so you're looking for the next bottom pair dman. what a travesty

wow so you're looking for the next bottom pair dman. what a travesty
- login

Is that what you took from that? 😂

As I stated before, he’s not holding back Drysdale, Zamula, Andrea or Grans. Everyone’s getting looks. There will be injuries. Nothing wrong with having him in the lineup at 2.7.

Stop. Gap.

A defense corp of York, Drysdale, zamula, Andrea and Grans will likely get easily rolled on, physically. Not good for development or confidence.

I’d love to move on from Dlo as I think Hathaway and Seeler can protect guys like Mich just fine and can actually play.

Found this info elsewhere:

Jett with 15 points in the last 10 games! But then you look and he is not even in the top 37 in PPG in the OHL and not even top 90 in the CHL. I hope the kid can start putting up massive numbers otherwise he's looking like a faster Laughton without the hands.
- Flyfly

You have to remember Jett missed the part of the season at Geulf and more importantly, he is playing for a bad team right now.

Is that what you took from that? 😂
- gritty_committee

he should have been moved and never re-signed to that deal.

then after he is moved then yes you find the next Seeler. Then you move that replacement if need be. it's how you acquire assets. flyers rarely sell high and rarely win at the margins.

Seeler was signed to a 4 year deal with trade protection. They don't seem willing to trade Laughton. They shouldn't have re-signed Hathaway.


The Flyers are not where many think they are. Falling into the same trap they fell into last season.
- MJL

I'll bookmark this one. If the Flyers don't move on from Frost, Risto and Laughton by the deadline this season, then I will say you are completely right. At this point, its clear this Flyers team is 5th in the Metro and will probably stay right there as currently constituted. That means their 1st round pick this year is outside of the top 10. This does not move the needle whatsoever. These players needs to be traded, more young kids need to be brought up and the Flyers need to finish with at least a top 10 pick, preferably a top 5 pick in order to move tihs forward.

Torts yesterday said there are no FAs coming this year or next year. That these two years are for evaluating what the Flyers have. If that is the case, which I am excited about BTW, these players must be traded. I would further move on Farabee and Drysdale.

Is that what you took from that? 😂

As I stated before, he’s not holding back Drysdale, Zamula, Andrea or Grans. Everyone’s getting looks. There will be injuries. Nothing wrong with having him in the lineup at 2.7.

Stop. Gap.
- gritty_committee

he is holding them back as he will be in the lineup every game. you want to bank on injuries to give players looks? that seems ass backwards to me. only played because of injuries, not merit.

yes, there is something wrong. bottom pair dman should not be making that much. 4 year stop gap? hysterical.

Yes it is but the point is that the Flyers routinely block opportunities for younger players and have to have their safety blankets.
- MJL

Blocked? They are literally in the lineup. How are they blocked? It is simple Andrae and any other young player has to play their way into a lineup. You dont determine a player is ready because they played well in the AHL or had a mediocre camp. Andrae is in the lineup now because he proved to be ready. He outplayed guys and got in. The fact he is playing and routuinely in the lineup proves he isnt blocked.

I'll bookmark this one. If the Flyers don't move on from Frost, Risto and Laughton by the deadline this season, then I will say you are completely right. At this point, its clear this Flyers team is 5th in the Metro and will probably stay right there as currently constituted. That means their 1st round pick this year is outside of the top 10. This does not move the needle whatsoever. These players needs to be traded, more young kids need to be brought up and the Flyers need to finish with at least a top 10 pick, preferably a top 5 pick in order to move tihs forward.

Torts yesterday said there are no FAs coming this year or next year. That these two years are for evaluating what the Flyers have. If that is the case, which I am excited about BTW, these players must be traded. I would further move on Farabee and Drysdale.
- jd250

please name the young kids who need to brought up.

he is holding them back as he will be in the lineup every game. you want to bank on injuries to give players looks? that seems ass backwards to me. only played because of injuries, not merit.

yes, there is something wrong. bottom pair dman should not be making that much. 4 year stop gap? hysterical.
- login

Or predictable if you watch the game

Reported by whom? Do you have a link?
- MJL

https://thehockeynews.com...atvei-michkov-not-drafted

Blocked? They are literally in the lineup. How are they blocked? It is simple Andrae and any other young player has to play their way into a lineup. You dont determine a player is ready because they played well in the AHL or had a mediocre camp. Andrae is in the lineup now because he proved to be ready. He outplayed guys and got in. The fact he is playing and routuinely in the lineup proves he isnt blocked.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

is that what happened for them to get an opportunity?