Ha ha, there is no rebuild. I have a fear that Sully may be the next coach if he gets fired and his system probably doesn't differ that much from Torts' system. They would probably look for a coach that runs a similar system to Torts. I mean, look at the Caps. They are supposedly in a rebuild and they brought in a coach that has implemented a system that is working wonders for them. I'm not gonna pretend that I am a systems guru and in the course of games systems break down anyway, but that guy has the Caps at the top of the Metro currently and no one expected that.
- Phillywhiteout

where has it been said the caps were ever rebuilding? don't recall their management saying any such thing. they strattled the middle and so far so good I suppose.

bringing in the same type of coach will imo keep elite players away. I wonder if Lappy would even be a consideration. a lot of times team go from the hard ass type to the player friendly type.

Fixed it for you
- Dkos

Lol

do the flyers know or believe this?

agree with trading the one who has the most value. though the flyers are not forward thinking and I bet this hasn't even entered their thought process just yet.

outside the avs and oilers. what other team may have interest in Sam?
- login

Possibly Ottawa, Ullmark has been struggling.

flyers save % ranks 26th in the league at .892. finished last year at .889. no real difference.

to early to say they have 3. Hope they have 1. Either way one will have to be moved after the season. Having all 3 again next year would not sit well with all 3 is my guess. Neither of them would accept an assignment to LHV at this time.

also seems that save % is down league wide with only 14 having a 90% or better.
- login

Unfortunately the goaltending save % really doesn't tell the story.

Like the first 4 or 5 games they look terrible absolutely disgusting 🫣.

Now both goalies look totally different, at this moment the stats don't tell the truth give it 10 more games for each and we will have a better indicator

But here is the issue. They don't have the talent to play the system without going balls out every single game. And when they have to go balls out, they end up wearing out, and fading towards the end of the season. This is why Torts hasn't won anything in 22 years. Its fools gold. Torts coaches this team like they are a win now team.
- MBFlyerfan

The Flyers under Tortorella play a conservative defensive first archaic system. They are not coached well offensively. They don't play the aggressive attack offensive system that the best teams in the league play. The Flyers biggest issue is talent. They also have a coaching issue. The Flyers are 22nd in the league in GF/GP. The Flyers are 23rd in the league in goals scored at 5 on 5. The Flyers have scored 8 of their 70 goals in 3 on 3, 6 vs 5 and 6 vs 4 situations. Even while playing a defensive first system, they are 26th in the league in GA/GP. While having the 3rd best PK% in the league. They have given up the 6th most goals against in the league at 5 on 5.

People are getting caught in the same traps they did last year. The bigger sample size gives the clearer picture. Both for teams and for players. Big picture has the Flyers as close to the bottom as they are to a solid playoff spot. The Columbus Blue Jackets are a mere .17 % points below them.

so, what happens when torts is gone and another coach comes in then implements their system which may be a lot different?

does the rebuild clock reset with a new coach?
- login

Great point, but let's say they play better then you be see trots wasn't that good

Or if they play worse see trots pushed them harder then there capability

It's a no win ether way

How about Scott Hartnell’s hair? He is looking like the OG broccoli head skibidi rizzler!

The Flyers under Tortorella play a conservative defensive first archaic system. They are not coached well offensively. They don't play the aggressive attack offensive system that the best teams in the league play. The Flyers biggest issue is talent. They also have a coaching issue. The Flyers are 22nd in the league in GF/GP. The Flyers are 23rd in the league in goals scored at 5 on 5. The Flyers have scored 8 of their 70 goals in 3 on 3, 6 vs 5 and 6 vs 4 situations. Even while playing a defensive first system, they are 26th in the league in GA/GP. While having the 3rd best PK% in the league. They have given up the 6th most goals against in the league at 5 on 5.

People are getting caught in the same traps they did last year. The bigger sample size gives the clearer picture. Both for teams and for players. Big picture has the Flyers as close to the bottom as they are to a solid playoff spot. The Columbus Blue Jackets are a mere .17 % points below them.
- MJL

Those offensive numbers are about where exactly they should be given the talent on the team.

The Flyers under Tortorella play a conservative defensive first archaic system. They are not coached well offensively. They don't play the aggressive attack offensive system that the best teams in the league play. The Flyers biggest issue is talent. They also have a coaching issue. The Flyers are 22nd in the league in GF/GP. The Flyers are 23rd in the league in goals scored at 5 on 5. The Flyers have scored 8 of their 70 goals in 3 on 3, 6 vs 5 and 6 vs 4 situations. Even while playing a defensive first system, they are 26th in the league in GA/GP. While having the 3rd best PK% in the league. They have given up the 6th most goals against in the league at 5 on 5.

People are getting caught in the same traps they did last year. The bigger sample size gives the clearer picture. Both for teams and for players. Big picture has the Flyers as close to the bottom as they are to a solid playoff spot. The Columbus Blue Jackets are a mere .17 % points below them.
- MJL

Snore

where has it been said the caps were ever rebuilding? don't recall their management saying any such thing. they strattled the middle and so far so good I suppose.

bringing in the same type of coach will imo keep elite players away. I wonder if Lappy would even be a consideration. a lot of times team go from the hard ass type to the player friendly type.
- login

Veteran star players aging out. The Caps have lost Backstrom, Oshie and Kusnetsov, and Ovi is 38 or something like that. They seem to be rebuilding on the fly though with younger players coming in while adding some vets. No Lappy please!!!!!!!!!

Agree, the coach is a hindrance and that doesn't help at all. Really can't wait to see how this shakes out with Torts as he said he will not a lame duck coach like he did in Columbus.

If the Flyers do not offer him an ext, wonder what he does? Flyers should call his bluff 100%.

So how do they become a team elite players want to play for? Win and have good coaching that the elite players want to play for.

I wonder if the NY draw is a bright as the past. That city is just god awful. crime, taxes, illegal aliens, and the like
- login

I dont think the coach matters. Players seem to like Torts. There are some that dont but when I listen to analysts all over the league they talk about how much players like playing for Torts. Torts mentioned the lame duck season but Im not sure that qualifies if his desire is to retire at the end of the contract. If he wants an extension and the Flyers want to move on then yes I can see him leaving at the end of this season but I dont think thats going to be the case.

At the end of the day I dont think many players are sitting there saying I dont want to play in PHI because Torts is the coach. Orgs like to boast about their rich histories but that is also something I dont think players care about even though they will use it as an answer in interviews. I think it really does come down to City and Winning. Especially with young players. They want to be somewhere where the party scene is hot. It is part of the reason CBJ struggles with young players. Its not a lively city. Its a settle down and have a family type environment which Vet players love.

I dont think the coach matters. Players seem to like Torts. There are some that dont but when I listen to analysts all over the league they talk about how much players like playing for Torts. Torts mentioned the lame duck season but Im not sure that qualifies if his desire is to retire at the end of the contract. If he wants an extension and the Flyers want to move on then yes I can see him leaving at the end of this season but I dont think thats going to be the case.

At the end of the day I dont think many players are sitting there saying I dont want to play in PHI because Torts is the coach. Orgs like to boast about their rich histories but that is also something I dont think players care about even though they will use it as an answer in interviews. I think it really does come down to City and Winning. Especially with young players. They want to be somewhere where the party scene is hot. It is part of the reason CBJ struggles with young players. Its not a lively city. Its a settle down and have a family type environment which Vet players love.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Coach/Coaching doesn't matter is an interesting take. Love to hear more on this thought process.

Analyst can say what they want. proof is in the pudding and doubtful this has changed

https://www.hockeyfeed.co...ted-coaches-in-the-league

If Torts wants a coaching extension, then your belief is the Flyers grant him one?

If you're an offensive player, do you want to play for a coach that stifles offense? Has a putrid powerplay?

This just in...Torts' system is NOT archaic. They play the up tempo heavy forecheck system that many current teams play. When the Flyers play their system right it works well! Examples this past week. They dominated a very good Vegas team for much of the game and deserved a better fate, and they curb stomped the Rags that were only kept in the game by their world class goalie. The Flyers could have put up double figures on Friday. The fact that some folks on here say that Torts' system is archaic is absolute hogwash. They would be a true Cup contender if they had the talent to play this system as it is being implemented. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Konecny would be on a 175 point pace in any other system…easy

Let's see how they do after this looooooong break. Panthers will definitely test their rust.

Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division.

Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division.
- MJL

Congratulations! I'm sure this news made your day! Go Blue Jackets!

Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division.
- MJL

4 points out from the conference lead.

Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division.
- MJL

Are you sure?

The Flyers under Tortorella play a conservative defensive first archaic system. They are not coached well offensively. They don't play the aggressive attack offensive system that the best teams in the league play. The Flyers biggest issue is talent. They also have a coaching issue. The Flyers are 22nd in the league in GF/GP. The Flyers are 23rd in the league in goals scored at 5 on 5. The Flyers have scored 8 of their 70 goals in 3 on 3, 6 vs 5 and 6 vs 4 situations. Even while playing a defensive first system, they are 26th in the league in GA/GP. While having the 3rd best PK% in the league. They have given up the 6th most goals against in the league at 5 on 5.

People are getting caught in the same traps they did last year. The bigger sample size gives the clearer picture. Both for teams and for players. Big picture has the Flyers as close to the bottom as they are to a solid playoff spot. The Columbus Blue Jackets are a mere .17 % points below them.
- MJL

Maybe if Farabee culd actually finish just one of his plehtora of scoring chances and Frost could actually generate offense, the team would have better 5 on 5 numbers.

The Flyers play the EXACT same system as the Hurricanes, the only difference is the Hurricanes have more players that could actually finish a high danger scoring chance. Carolina would have jettisoned stiffs like Frost and Farabee years ago.

Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division.
- MJL

Huh?

Huh?
- jd250

I think MJL is hoping for the Flyers to fail and fall.

Congratulations! I'm sure this news made your day! Go Blue Jackets!
- Don Nachbaur

He's such a turd isn't he?

Columbus is now ahead of the Flyers. Flyers are 6th in their division.
- MJL

Me thinks you better get a new prescription for your reading glasses. I just looked at the standings and I see the Flyers listed ahead of your BJs cause they have 27 points versus your BJs with 25 points. Either that, or go back to your first grade math class.

Are you sure?
- WhiskeyMan

Positive

I think MJL is hoping for the Flyers to fail and fall.
- WhiskeyMan

Let's see, in MJLs world:

1. Risto is a mediocre 3rd pairing defenseman
2. Frost is actually a top line center if only he wasn't held back by a secret international conspiracy lead by Torts
3. Farabee is a good goal scorer
4. Torts will ruin Michkov
5. The Flyers are in 6th place in the Metro

Can't see why anyone would question any of these