TIOPS reporting that DOC is going to be the next player traded from the team. They are saying Dubas made a price known for DOC and many teams are bidding above it.


I guess the plan is to trade him and have Koivunen or McGroarty replace him. They also stated that a Hoglander trade would speed up the timetable to trade DOC (also eluded that Pettersson would not be included in a Hoglander deal).


Also discussed was a Drysdale and Farabee deal with Philly and Pavel Zacha from Boston was also discussed.

So he collects a lot of points and gets pushed around in the playoffs?
- Grinder47

Hahah it's true grinder! Something that may make you smile though. TIOPS is reporting that if we trade off some salary there is potential we take on Trouba (as a salary dump)and a pick from Rangers this offseason. My assumption is that means Karlsson would be gone.

He's not a Tocchet-ish playoff guy, I guess haha....thats who the Pens really need: Rick Tocchet in his prime hahaha
- MattStrat

Prime Tocchet was great. Not sure how many of you are old enough to remember that the top line was Stevens - Mario - Tocc, with Tocc being the smallest guy on that line. Nobody touched Mario out of fear of what Tocc and Artie would do.

Prime Tocchet was great. Not sure how many of you are old enough to remember that the top line was Stevens - Mario - Tocc, with Tocc being the smallest guy on that line. Nobody touched Mario out of fear of what Tocc and Artie would do.
- MickV

hahaha I'm old enough. I remember watching the 1991 and 1992 cup runs and wins, some of my first hockey memories. The 1989 game 7 vs the Flyers is my first Penguins memory. I cried when they lost haha and so launched the lifelong hatred of the Flyers. I remember the Calgary (my birth city) cup clinching game in that same playoffs in 89, watching it with my Dad and brother. I remember the day the trade for Tocchet happened, my 8 year older brother broke the news to me. I loved Recchi and didnt want see him go. I didnt know much about Tocchet but my brother told me the Pens won the trade hahah. I was only a young lad not really following much of the league at all.

TIOPS reporting that DOC is going to be the next player traded from the team. They are saying Dubas made a price known for DOC and many teams are bidding above it.


I guess the plan is to trade him and have Koivunen or McGroarty replace him. They also stated that a Hoglander trade would speed up the timetable to trade DOC (also eluded that Pettersson would not be included in a Hoglander deal).


Also discussed was a Drysdale and Farabee deal with Philly and Pavel Zacha from Boston was also discussed.
- 123Kid

So Dubas wants a 6th and teams are offering a 5th.

So Dubas wants a 6th and teams are offering a 5th.
- Grinder47

You probably are not wrong on his asking price.

Prime Tocchet was great. Not sure how many of you are old enough to remember that the top line was Stevens - Mario - Tocc, with Tocc being the smallest guy on that line. Nobody touched Mario out of fear of what Tocc and Artie would do.
- MickV

Tocchet was a beast. I feel like he brought something different to this team as a coach as well. It is one reason I was sad when he left.

Man, how did Trouba go from the Captain and leader of the Rangers to a guy they are threatening to waive to the minors if he doesnt accept a trade so fast?

Obviously can't imagine that we are players here, but if they were willing to take Graves off our hands I'd sure love to have someone on the back end who will throw the body around.

With his cap hit being so big and him having some control over his own destiny, I honestly have no idea where he ends up...

TIOPS reporting that DOC is going to be the next player traded from the team. They are saying Dubas made a price known for DOC and many teams are bidding above it.


I guess the plan is to trade him and have Koivunen or McGroarty replace him. They also stated that a Hoglander trade would speed up the timetable to trade DOC (also eluded that Pettersson would not be included in a Hoglander deal).


Also discussed was a Drysdale and Farabee deal with Philly and Pavel Zacha from Boston was also discussed.
- 123Kid

DOC makes the most sense as the next guy to go, he is cheap, will be low cost and we have a bunch of potential replacements under contract. I don't mind him but I think there is a team out there that will give us a 3rd or 4th for him and thats not bad for a guy we dont really need.

On Farabee and Drysdale, I just never really envision us doing a big trade together, especially if high upside, young talent is included. Like maybe a Graves for Risto trade, but I cant imagine a deal for Drysdale unless they think he is the next Patrick.

Man, how did Trouba go from the Captain and leader of the Rangers to a guy they are threatening to waive to the minors if he doesnt accept a trade so fast?

Obviously can't imagine that we are players here, but if they were willing to take Graves off our hands I'd sure love to have someone on the back end who will throw the body around.

With his cap hit being so big and him having some control over his own destiny, I honestly have no idea where he ends up...
- MacPatty

I think his teammates still like him, but this is management if I heard correctly. The team is seemingly pretty upset by everything that is going on. Not too many times I can recall teams threatening waivers to get a trade, at least not with it so public.

It makes too much sense for it not to happen, whether it is Chabot coming back or Norris or something else. Karlsson is "the piece" for Ottawa right now on all levels. RHD who can drive offence, hero in the org who will bring back some nostalgia for fans (and jersey sales), his buddy Alfie is a Sr Advisor and the economics make sense for a cash conscious franchise battling a weak CAD.
- MacPatty

What is going on with Ottawa that they trading guys like Norris and Chabot. I really need to follow the rest of the league more, been slipping this year. Those guys I thought were centerpieces for them. Reminds me of when the Flyers traded Carter and Richards.

TIOPS reporting that DOC is going to be the next player traded from the team. They are saying Dubas made a price known for DOC and many teams are bidding above it.


I guess the plan is to trade him and have Koivunen or McGroarty replace him. They also stated that a Hoglander trade would speed up the timetable to trade DOC (also eluded that Pettersson would not be included in a Hoglander deal).


Also discussed was a Drysdale and Farabee deal with Philly and Pavel Zacha from Boston was also discussed.
- 123Kid

I'm distrustful of TIOPS, but makes me nervous if everyone is paying over Dubas's price that he is undervaluing DOC. I'm not one who think he'll be easily replaced, because the Pens don't have a lot of top nine forwards that kill penalties, and that provides a lot of flexibility. Not to mention DOC playing a decent 3C when given a chance. He's not amazing, but he's a nice utility guy to have in the lineup.

I get selling on DOC before paying him and buying low on Hoglander from an asset management standpoint. I don't think it makes the team better practically speaking unless I've vastly underrated Hoglander. He's a wild card for me that he works out.

Man, how did Trouba go from the Captain and leader of the Rangers to a guy they are threatening to waive to the minors if he doesnt accept a trade so fast?

Obviously can't imagine that we are players here, but if they were willing to take Graves off our hands I'd sure love to have someone on the back end who will throw the body around.

With his cap hit being so big and him having some control over his own destiny, I honestly have no idea where he ends up...
- MacPatty

I will tell you how. First was a mistake making him captain. Second he was going to be bought out at the end of this year to clear cap space, 1 yr left on contract, so Drury tried to trade him over the summer. They had a deal in place but he invoked his NTC and things fell apart. Has caused tons of turmoil around the team and they are a mess right now .If they can move him now guess feeling is they can turn things around. Bottom line on Rangers he is a grossly over paid 3rd pair defenseman and the cloud hanging over him is a major distraction. You guys should easily extend your winning streak tonite Rangers are a hot mess.....no thanks on Graves

Crazy stat. Sid is 4th all time in points for someone on their 1300 game

But that's not the crazy part. Lemieux is 20 points from second place, but he doesn't qualify because he is 385 games short.

I'm distrustful of TIOPS, but makes me nervous if everyone is paying over Dubas's price that he is undervaluing DOC. I'm not one who think he'll be easily replaced, because the Pens don't have a lot of top nine forwards that kill penalties, and that provides a lot of flexibility. Not to mention DOC playing a decent 3C when given a chance. He's not amazing, but he's a nice utility guy to have in the lineup.

I get selling on DOC before paying him and buying low on Hoglander from an asset management standpoint. I don't think it makes the team better practically speaking unless I've vastly underrated Hoglander. He's a wild card for me that he works out.
- Tojo.

I use to be distrustful of TIOPS. They have been pretty reliable since Dubas has taken over. They called Guentzel being traded. Even narrowed it to Carolina due to Dubas and his love/value of Bunting at the time and his like of a few prospects.

Recently them predicting an early trade of Eller. Around draft time they connected us with the Blues (Hayes deal). They also connected us multiple times to Nashville this offseason saying we were talking with Nashville about cap dumps (Near the Glass deal). They also circled back recently with Dubas was in Nashville and a deal was coming (right before the Tomasino deal). I know they aren't always correct, then again makes you wonder how many deals with all teams almost happen throughout each year.

Man, how did Trouba go from the Captain and leader of the Rangers to a guy they are threatening to waive to the minors if he doesnt accept a trade so fast?

Obviously can't imagine that we are players here, but if they were willing to take Graves off our hands I'd sure love to have someone on the back end who will throw the body around.

With his cap hit being so big and him having some control over his own destiny, I honestly have no idea where he ends up...
- MacPatty

As I stated TIOPS reported we had some talks about him as a salary dumb during the offseason to get some assets. I mean if we were able to trade Pettersson without cap retention somewhere. Maybe you can trade Hayes or Bunting and land Trumba, Kakko and a pick. Unfortunately I don't think they would take Graves. Pending on how desperate they are anything could happen.

I use to be distrustful of TIOPS. They have been pretty reliable since Dubas has taken over. They called Guentzel being traded. Even narrowed it to Carolina due to Dubas and his love/value of Bunting at the time and his like of a few prospects.

Recently them predicting an early trade of Eller. Around draft time they connected us with the Blues (Hayes deal). They also connected us multiple times to Nashville this offseason saying we were talking with Nashville about cap dumps (Near the Glass deal). They also circled back recently with Dubas was in Nashville and a deal was coming (right before the Tomasino deal). I know they aren't always correct, then again makes you wonder how many deals with all teams almost happen throughout each year.
- 123Kid

Interesting I didn't know all that, thanks. Maybe they have a good source on Dubas's staff then?

As I stated TIOPS reported we had some talks about him as a salary dumb during the offseason to get some assets. I mean if we were able to trade Pettersson without cap retention somewhere. Maybe you can trade Hayes or Bunting and land Trumba, Kakko and a pick. Unfortunately I don't think they would take Graves. Pending on how desperate they are anything could happen.
- 123Kid

Can we take on another RS expensive defenseman right now without moving one? They'd block Brunicke next year and St. Ivany.

It would definitely kick being competitive at least another year. Right now they could say their youth would be ready to help out next year as they could add McGroarty, Koivunen, Ponomarov, Brunicke, and Blomqvist which would cause some excitement (though probably in reality not a as big a bump as the perception). I don't know if that's really the plan though. Poor Malkin.

What is going on with Ottawa that they trading guys like Norris and Chabot. I really need to follow the rest of the league more, been slipping this year. Those guys I thought were centerpieces for them. Reminds me of when the Flyers traded Carter and Richards.
- Tojo.

Well first and foremost, two big salaries on an underperforming team. Chabot was first on the market when they had Sanderson emerging and Chuchryn also in the lineup. I thought when they traded Chuch, Chabot would be a keeper for them but as I mentioned, he is due a lot of cash over the next few years and he has had really limited availability as he is injured often.

Norris I don't get as much but he has been rumored to be available. He is paid more than he is worth and has been bitten by the injury bug but has been fairly productive when healthy.

I think the combo of injury history and high pay is hard for a small market team like Ottawa to swallow when trying to make a push as a playoff team.

He is hurt right now, but Im calling Anaheim to check the price of Zegras. I know there's a lot of negatives about him, but to me, he is a classic case of high reward/low risk.

Taking chances on guys like him is the only way this team will have a chance at rebounding in the short term.

Can we take on another RS expensive defenseman right now without moving one? They'd block Brunicke next year and St. Ivany.

It would definitely kick being competitive at least another year. Right now they could say their youth would be ready to help out next year as they could add McGroarty, Koivunen, Ponomarov, Brunicke, and Blomqvist which would cause some excitement (though probably in reality not a as big a bump as the perception). I don't know if that's really the plan though. Poor Malkin.
- Tojo.

Yeah I mean it's interesting because as we discussed in a previous forum. We are assuming Dubas is going to be aggressive this offseason and wants to make a run next year. Then you have him shipping off players who could help us next season. Then there are also rumors of us continuing to gain draft picks. Some rumors have us shipping off a pick for a younger talent. I think Dubas continues to make things up as he goes.

As I stated TIOPS reported we had some talks about him as a salary dumb during the offseason to get some assets. I mean if we were able to trade Pettersson without cap retention somewhere. Maybe you can trade Hayes or Bunting and land Trumba, Kakko and a pick. Unfortunately I don't think they would take Graves. Pending on how desperate they are anything could happen.
- 123Kid

Interesting. I don't care about Kakko at all, kind of like Hoglander to me where I am not against him coming here but not super into chasing after him. I'd rather take their 1st rounder.

In a bubble, Im totally cool with trading for Trouba if we are going ahead and moving Karlsson also. I think he could be a fine 2nd pair D for us still if we can get a decent LD paired up with him.

But it sounds like all of the teams that are making offers on Trouba are on his no trade list. Not ideal to trade for a big salary guy with a bit of term who doesnt want to play on your team. I just dont see it happening with us.

He is hurt right now, but Im calling Anaheim to check the price of Zegras. I know there's a lot of negatives about him, but to me, he is a classic case of high reward/low risk.

Taking chances on guys like him is the only way this team will have a chance at rebounding in the short term.
- SuperHenderson13

I agree there is high reward, but Zegras is also high risk (or he would have already been traded). Anaheim isnt giving him away and they don't need to clear the cap space. You are going to have to give up something significant to get him I expect. I am guessing they are looking for a 1st at least.

I don't really like him but he has talent and we are lacking in that a bit.

I think the Trouba situation ends up with him being picked up on Waivers. Maybe we can do the same to Graves. Maybe someone like Utah takes a flyer on him.

Yeah I mean it's interesting because as we discussed in a previous forum. We are assuming Dubas is going to be aggressive this offseason and wants to make a run next year. Then you have him shipping off players who could help us next season. Then there are also rumors of us continuing to gain draft picks. Some rumors have us shipping off a pick for a younger talent. I think Dubas continues to make things up as he goes.
- 123Kid

I think he is deciding as he goes along. I think the right move is to trade off as many contracts as we can for picks, try to make 2-3 big signings in free agency and fill in the blanks with youth. We already have 14 picks in the first 3 rounds over the next 3 years. We can likely add more by selling off here a bit. That is plenty to fill out the rebuild pipeline, he has actually been pretty good with drafting.

DOC, Ned, Beau should all get moved for some mid level picks. We have internal replacements. Im torn on Bunting, really like what he can bring but so inconsistent... think we should trade him if we can get something of value back. Hayes on the other hand... get rid of him even if we have to pay.

Petts... if we havent already resigned him at a discount, its fair to assume we arent getting one. So trade him for whatever you can get and be willing to pay him market value or above in the offseason if we are going to make a run at being competitive.