I think the Trouba situation ends up with him being picked up on Waivers. Maybe we can do the same to Graves. Maybe someone like Utah takes a flyer on him.
- 123Kid

Why would anybody pick up either of those guys off of waivers??? Those are terrible contracts, if you want those guys get something from their current team.

Why would anybody pick up either of those guys off of waivers??? Those are terrible contracts, if you want those guys get something from their current team.
- MickV

A lot of the teams with cap space have interest because he could bring veteran leadership and maybe is better than what they have for Trouba. Graves is tough. He is 29 and has shown that he has had success in the past. He definitely does not fit our system at all. He could go to a team like ANA, CBJ, or CGY. All have cap space an could retain and actually get an asset for him if he plays better for their team (which honestly I assume he would play better elsewhere).

Prime Tocchet was great. Not sure how many of you are old enough to remember that the top line was Stevens - Mario - Tocc, with Tocc being the smallest guy on that line. Nobody touched Mario out of fear of what Tocc and Artie would do.
- MickV

Pens let Mario get the snot knocked out of him for 8 years, then one day he wakes up and he's playing between those two. Great memories. Should have had 3 cups in a row if they didn't spend all that energy on the stupid streak.

Stevens is one of my all time favorite players. Dude was a beast until he broke his face.

A lot of the teams with cap space have interest because he could bring veteran leadership and maybe is better than what they have for Trouba. Graves is tough. He is 29 and has shown that he has had success in the past. He definitely does not fit our system at all. He could go to a team like ANA, CBJ, or CGY. All have cap space an could retain and actually get an asset for him if he plays better for their team (which honestly I assume he would play better elsewhere).
- 123Kid

It can't be understated just how much Graves has hurt this team. If instead he was a rock solid #4 dman next to Karlsson, this team would be in way better shape. Then Dubas adds Gryz....geez. Those two are knee cappers defensively.

The east seems kind of watered down this year. If Graves was actually good and we added a legit top 6 LW, I think we'd be a comfortable playoff team. Not a real contender though.

Forget who it was, but someone tweeted that a trade could be made where it is contingent upon a team picking up Trouba on waivers.

The deal was something like Trouba, Kakko and a 1st for Provorov in Columbus. So if he blocks, the trade would be Kakko and a 1st for Provorov, but only consummated if Trouba is picked up by them on waivers.

That would be a hell of a deal for Columbus as Trouba would DEFINITELY accept a trade out of there. Theyd probably flip Trouba somewhere with 50% retained to get more value.

I feel like a Trouba deal could really get the trade market rolling here.

It can't be understated just how much Graves has hurt this team. If instead he was a rock solid #4 dman next to Karlsson, this team would be in way better shape. Then Dubas adds Gryz....geez. Those two are knee cappers defensively.

The east seems kind of watered down this year. If Graves was actually good and we added a legit top 6 LW, I think we'd be a comfortable playoff team. Not a real contender though.
- madmike71

I 100% agree that we would be a lot better with a top 4 LHD and top 6 LW. Dubas definitely dropped the ball on the Graves signing. I read a good article a few months ago about why he does fit our current system. Graves fit in with the Devils because they played a less aggressive strategy with their defenseman. We play an aggressive style which is no where near what Graves is good at.

Keeping Gryz over POJ was another head scratcher.

Forget who it was, but someone tweeted that a trade could be made where it is contingent upon a team picking up Trouba on waivers.

The deal was something like Trouba, Kakko and a 1st for Provorov in Columbus. So if he blocks, the trade would be Kakko and a 1st for Provorov, but only consummated if Trouba is picked up by them on waivers.

That would be a hell of a deal for Columbus as Trouba would DEFINITELY accept a trade out of there. Theyd probably flip Trouba somewhere with 50% retained to get more value.

I feel like a Trouba deal could really get the trade market rolling here.
- MacPatty

That would shoot LHD prices through the roof. Even though technically Trouba is a cap dump. That deal could be seen as a 1st, top prospect/young talent + roster player for a LHD. Could help boost Pettersson's trade value.

Forget who it was, but someone tweeted that a trade could be made where it is contingent upon a team picking up Trouba on waivers.

The deal was something like Trouba, Kakko and a 1st for Provorov in Columbus. So if he blocks, the trade would be Kakko and a 1st for Provorov, but only consummated if Trouba is picked up by them on waivers.

That would be a hell of a deal for Columbus as Trouba would DEFINITELY accept a trade out of there. Theyd probably flip Trouba somewhere with 50% retained to get more value.

I feel like a Trouba deal could really get the trade market rolling here.
- MacPatty

Rangers arent including Kakko in a trade for a rental. They have waited 3 yrs for him and he is finally playing some good hockey. They will just waive Trouba like they did with Goodrow.

Rangers arent including Kakko in a trade for a rental. They have waited 3 yrs for him and he is finally playing some good hockey. They will just waive Trouba like they did with Goodrow.
- hfc355

That wasnt my opinion, just what one of the tsn guys had tweeted. Looks like Drury got himself a hell of a lot better deal there with the Ducks.

Trouba getting traded without NYR giving up any assets nor retaining any salary is insane.

Trouba getting traded without NYR giving up any assets nor retaining any salary is insane.
- SuperHenderson13

Makes me think the same could be done with graves. At least gryz is done Th is year regardless.

Trouba getting traded without NYR giving up any assets nor retaining any salary is insane.
- SuperHenderson13

Gudas and him on the same blueline is insane. I hope they feed off each other and just murder guys.

So Karlsson and Graves trades anyone?

That wasnt my opinion, just what one of the tsn guys had tweeted. Looks like Drury got himself a hell of a lot better deal there with the Ducks.
- MacPatty

Yeah he got lucky. Shed an 8M 3rd pair dman and retained no salary. They could use that 8M this yr and next. Cant believe Ducks took whole salary. Rangers Locker room still gonna be a mess. Team mates loved him.

Trouba getting traded without NYR giving up any assets nor retaining any salary is insane.
- SuperHenderson13

Plus they got a former 1st rd draft pick and a 4th pick. 8M in cap space this yr and next..Great move

So Karlsson and Graves trades anyone?
- 123Kid

Karlson for Trouba. Graves for Gudas.

Pens let Mario get the snot knocked out of him for 8 years, then one day he wakes up and he's playing between those two. Great memories. Should have had 3 cups in a row if they didn't spend all that energy on the stupid streak.

Stevens is one of my all time favorite players. Dude was a beast until he broke his face.
- madmike71

‘93 squad was probsbly the best Pens team in franchise history.

F’n David Volek & his stupid Jofa

Why would anybody pick up either of those guys off of waivers??? Those are terrible contracts, if you want those guys get something from their current team.
- MickV

Someone’s going to end up picking Zegras off waivers.

‘93 squad was probsbly the best Pens team in franchise history.

F’n David Volek & his stupid Jofa
- out_of_market

It was. They were a machine. Treated the streak like winning the cup and ran out of gas early. They were ripe for the picking by an upstart team. Regrettable mistake, but I believe the streak still lives?

It was. They were a machine. Treated the streak like winning the cup and ran out of gas early. They were ripe for the picking by an upstart team. Regrettable mistake, but I believe the streak still lives?
- madmike71

Pens 17 game streak is still the NHL record, as is 14 consecutive playoff wins between '92-93 seasons. The '93 team was so stacked; they ran opponents out of the building every night.

Well first and foremost, two big salaries on an underperforming team. Chabot was first on the market when they had Sanderson emerging and Chuchryn also in the lineup. I thought when they traded Chuch, Chabot would be a keeper for them but as I mentioned, he is due a lot of cash over the next few years and he has had really limited availability as he is injured often.

Norris I don't get as much but he has been rumored to be available. He is paid more than he is worth and has been bitten by the injury bug but has been fairly productive when healthy.

I think the combo of injury history and high pay is hard for a small market team like Ottawa to swallow when trying to make a push as a playoff team.
- MacPatty

Makes sense. Injuries will do that. Screams impatience to me and they might regret this. But it's tough not getting to see your team not living to it's potential. Thanks for the answer.

Yeah I mean it's interesting because as we discussed in a previous forum. We are assuming Dubas is going to be aggressive this offseason and wants to make a run next year. Then you have him shipping off players who could help us next season. Then there are also rumors of us continuing to gain draft picks. Some rumors have us shipping off a pick for a younger talent. I think Dubas continues to make things up as he goes.
- 123Kid

That's how I feel. A lot of his moves seem designed to give the team a boost of cheap young talent for next year. But when you then spend cap space for next year getting picks for Hayes it goes against that, but is a good move towards an eventual rebuild.

Getting Trouba with Hayes through next year would have completely torpedoed them for next year, though I'd have thought it would at least bring some great futures. Can't believe Anaheim bailed them out like that.

I think he is deciding as he goes along. I think the right move is to trade off as many contracts as we can for picks, try to make 2-3 big signings in free agency and fill in the blanks with youth. We already have 14 picks in the first 3 rounds over the next 3 years. We can likely add more by selling off here a bit. That is plenty to fill out the rebuild pipeline, he has actually been pretty good with drafting.

DOC, Ned, Beau should all get moved for some mid level picks. We have internal replacements. Im torn on Bunting, really like what he can bring but so inconsistent... think we should trade him if we can get something of value back. Hayes on the other hand... get rid of him even if we have to pay.

Petts... if we havent already resigned him at a discount, its fair to assume we arent getting one. So trade him for whatever you can get and be willing to pay him market value or above in the offseason if we are going to make a run at being competitive.
- MacPatty

Word so far is they haven't even approached Pettersson to see if he'll take a discount. Dubas seems set on trading him. I doubt we see him back. Too bad because Pettersson and Pickering might have finally solved our LD problem of the past three years.

Can drew O Connor make it 21? I’m guessing yes.

Word so far is they haven't even approached Pettersson to see if he'll take a discount. Dubas seems set on trading him. I doubt we see him back. Too bad because Pettersson and Pickering might have finally solved our LD problem of the past three years.
- Tojo.

Hell of a strategy there if true. Late in his 20s, it's not like he's 35. Also could be a great mentor for Pickering. Not saying we need to keep him at any cost but at least kick tires and see if there is a deal that makes sense for both parties.

Lends support to my theory of a Karlsson for Chabot off-season deal though...