So they finally made it south! Now in Hammonton.
- mikeyo27

Don’t worry, Murphy’s on it.

Totally agree. Just look at why Ottawa is moving on. I'm sure it's not his play, but they have young forwards they want to bring up and develop - exactly what we should be doing, assuming we had a center to do so.

The direction the team has been leaning towards is youth, this ties up a spot for perhaps a younger player they could make a deal for? (e.g. Rossi...)

We should be looking at trying to make a deal to move up in the next draft or trade for a center prospect older than 17. The way the standings are falling we are in no mans land in the teens again, after most of the top centers are gone.
- BluehorseShoe64

I dont agree. Who does OTT have? Giroux is in the top 6 because they got no one else.

Adam Gaudette is playing in the top 6 that is how shallow the team is. Whos jumping up to replace G? Cousins? Amadio? Gregor? Greig? If Perron was healthy hed be their top 6 RW.

I would def take G back if it makes sense at the time. Theres a lot of things we have to see before Giroux can be considered.

1) What are we doing at Center. Are Frost, Poehling, Cates and Laughton part of this teams Future

2) Are we adding a C via trade. If someone above is moved that means we have a spot to add and you would think the Flyers would target a young C with upside. Is one even available?

3) Do we expect :uchenko to possibly make the team next year or will he take another development year.

4) If Giroux is even available and willing to come back what would his role be? C or wing? I would expect he'd be a short term middle 6 player.

If the Flyers move away from Frost theres a potential fit at C in the short term. If Luchenko makes the team another move can be made to make room. It is my belief that one of Laughton or Poehling probably doesnt finish their contracts with PHI. Whichever stays will be the 4C in the event Luchenko earns a spot with the team. Luchenko being the 3C.

If the Flyers make a trade for a C whether G fits or not really depends on who gets moved. If one winger moves you would have to think Tuomaala gets that spot, however if m,ultiple guys get moved maybe theres potentially room for both Tuomaala and Giroux on that 3rd line.

It is just too early to tell. Giroux could be the Flyers Fillpula. A short term stopgap until they have an option at C or a 3rd line mentor. I think bringing back G is a much better option than adding a Kevin Hayes 2.0 type player via FA.

Drafting Michkov was not luck. The Flyers took a chance on drafting a potential elite talent who was falling on the board because of the geopolitical situation. Then they worked their tails off to get him out of his current KHL contract and bring him the NHL in only 1 season. They deserve a lot of credit for this.


- jd250

Of course it was. 5 teams foolishly passed on the 2nd best player in the draft. It was a miracle that he was there when they picked. How do you know they worked their tails off to get him here?

Provorov never developed into the number 1 defenseman they had hoped he would be when you guy Hextall drafted him at #7, one spot ahead of Zak Werenski, who BTW credits Torts with a lot of the success he is having now. The fact that the Flyers got a 1st round pick, 2 2nd round picks, Walker and Grans in return was a homerun. The Flyers then flipped Walker for another 1st round pick, making the deal even more of a landslide for the Flyers.


- jd250

They moved Provorov because he wanted out and both sides knew it had to happen. The return was a good return but now they have to make something out if it.

Gauthier is a quitter and a toolbag that is doing nothing in Anaheim. The fact that the Flyers were able to salvage anything out of this situation was an accomplishment. Drysdale has to develop, but the tools are there for him to be a high scoring defenseman in this league. Time will tell who won that trade ultimately.


- jd250

The above is ridiculous bias. Gauthier is a young player breaking into the league. It's amazing that Gauthier is doing nothing after playing all of 26 NHL games but Drysdale gets to develop and has all the tools after playing 163 NHL games. I guess all the tools aren't there for Gauthier. Did the Flyers make a mistake in drafting him? If he was still a Flyer, you'd be singing his praises all the way to the heavens. I would disagree that Drysdale has all the tools to be a high scoring defenseman. The Flyers will be lucky if he develops into a decent player. They massively screwed up the Gauthier situation

Luchanko has already shown he will be a top 6 center in the NHL. We'll see with Buium ultimately becomes, but I highly doubt he will develop into a top pairing defenseman. Again, time will tell who was right.


- jd250

He has? When? I must of missed that. There you go again with the bias. Luchanko plays 4 NHL games and he showed he will be a top 6 NHL center. However Gauthier, he's a bust and a quitter. Reality is that while there were glimpses of his talent, Luchanko was overwhelmed at the NHL level and has a long way to go. More bias concerning Buium. He won't be a top pairing player well, because he's not a Flyer! LOL

TK and Tippet were great deals for the Flyers. TK is leading the team once again in scoring, while Tippet is developing into a player that can score 35-40 goals per season. Seeler and Hathaway are inconsequential. Their deals represent a very small percentage of the cap, and both are solid veterans that can help the younger players on the team develop.
- jd250

Konency should've been traded and will likely be in decline but the time the Flyers become a contender. More bias showing with Tippett. He has yet to score 30 goals in the league is on pace for 23 this season. Somehow though he is a 35-40 goal scorer in your eyes. Maybe if the Flyers get an elite playmaking #1 center, he can elevate him somewhat but on his own merit, Tippett is not anywhere near a 34-40 goal scorer. His offensive game is flawed and he has zero all around game. Signing him to an 8 year deal was a mistake.

Deslauriers was signed by Fletcher, not Briere. Slightly overpaying for Fedotov was what they had to do to get him over here. You don't think the Flyers paid a king's ransom behind the scenes to get Michkov out of his KHL contract?

Sorry, tanking doesn't work either. Ask the Buffalo Sabres.
- jd250

The Flyers panicked and got suckered into the Fedetov deal. What about the teams that did tank and won the Cup such as Pittsburgh, Chicago, Colorado and others?

What approach has the better odds and has show to be more successful in history? Tanking or the Flyers methods? The Flyers have not been a very successful team in the cap era.

You are delusional. You leave out key parts of information..like the $10 million in contracts they took on in those trades. They didn't obtain 6 picks, 2 were already theirs. Love how Tippet hasn't scored 30 yet, but some feel he has shown he is a 40 goal scorer. Etc, etc.

I really want to read what you say when Cutter becomes the stud that he is expected to be. You don't like his decision to not sign with Philly...that doesn't mean he can't play the game..he is a rookie with under 30 games to his career. Let's see where he is at in a few years.
- TheFreak

Here is the gist of it in Jd's world. Luchanko showed that he is a top 6 NHL center in 4 games and Drysdale has all the tools to be a top scoring defenseman

Meanwhile, outside of the Flyers fantasy bubble. Gauthier isn't doing squat in Anaheim and is a quitter and Buium is not going to become a top pairing defenseman.

No bias at all involved.

I dont agree. Who does OTT have? Giroux is in the top 6 because they got no one else.

Adam Gaudette is playing in the top 6 that is how shallow the team is. Whos jumping up to replace G? Cousins? Amadio? Gregor? Greig? If Perron was healthy hed be their top 6 RW.

I would def take G back if it makes sense at the time. Theres a lot of things we have to see before Giroux can be considered.

1) What are we doing at Center. Are Frost, Poehling, Cates and Laughton part of this teams Future

2) Are we adding a C via trade. If someone above is moved that means we have a spot to add and you would think the Flyers would target a young C with upside. Is one even available?

3) Do we expect :uchenko to possibly make the team next year or will he take another development year.

4) If Giroux is even available and willing to come back what would his role be? C or wing? I would expect he'd be a short term middle 6 player.

If the Flyers move away from Frost theres a potential fit at C in the short term. If Luchenko makes the team another move can be made to make room. It is my belief that one of Laughton or Poehling probably doesnt finish their contracts with PHI. Whichever stays will be the 4C in the event Luchenko earns a spot with the team. Luchenko being the 3C.

If the Flyers make a trade for a C whether G fits or not really depends on who gets moved. If one winger moves you would have to think Tuomaala gets that spot, however if m,ultiple guys get moved maybe theres potentially room for both Tuomaala and Giroux on that 3rd line.

It is just too early to tell. Giroux could be the Flyers Fillpula. A short term stopgap until they have an option at C or a 3rd line mentor. I think bringing back G is a much better option than adding a Kevin Hayes 2.0 type player via FA.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Gaudette ranks 12th in EV ice time per game among Ottawa forwards. Gudette also has 13 goals on the season and is leading their team in ES goals. Ottawa has 3 players at a point per game pace. Josh Norris who has 12 goals and 18 points. The highest Flyers has 7 ES goals. Ottawa is a higher scoring and deeper offensive team than the Flyers are.

How can you have a discussion on Giroux being a fit without discussing what they have to give up for him? It would be a significant cost.

Filpula was the return for Streit and was a cap dump. He was used as a checking line center. Is that what we want Giroux for? Of course not.

When looking at the cost, Giroux is not a fit. That's why he's not a fit.

Using Buffalo as an example of not prioritizing oneself to pick in the top 5 is weird.

Pittsburgh, Chicago, Tampa, and Washington sure are sulking. Florida sure was frustrated having to deploy Barkov, and Ekblad. Toronto, and Edmonton fans just hate having to watch the prime years of McDavid, and Matthews.

The Flyers just love to use Vegas, and St Louis as the outlier example because it helps divert accountability away from a front office, and scouting department that hadn’t had any for a decade.

Even Calgary hiving success on the back of Wolf, saw the truth in their incompetence.

The Philadelphia Flyer are not the Dallas Stars when it comes to drafting/development. They should stop pretending they are. I’m closer to going on a date with Megan Fox.

Gaudette ranks 12th in EV ice time per game among Ottawa forwards. Gudette also has 13 goals on the season and is leading their team in ES goals. Ottawa has 3 players at a point per game pace. Josh Norris who has 12 goals and 18 points. The highest Flyers has 7 ES goals. Ottawa is a higher scoring and deeper offensive team than the Flyers are.

How can you have a discussion on Giroux being a fit without discussing what they have to give up for him? It would be a significant cost.

Filpula was the return for Streit and was a cap dump. He was used as a checking line center. Is that what we want Giroux for? Of course not.

When looking at the cost, Giroux is not a fit. That's why he's not a fit.
- MJL

please define what you think is a significant cost.

for arguments sake let's say Giroux will only accept a trade to philly. does that lower the cost? though if he cares about a cup in any way (probably doesn't) then philly is not on his list.

bringing hm back would be a step backward. so maybe it is possible then.

Using Buffalo as an example of not prioritizing oneself to pick in the top 5 is weird.

Pittsburgh, Chicago, Tampa, and Washington sure are sulking. Florida sure was frustrated having to deploy Barkov, and Ekblad. Toronto, and Edmonton fans just hate having to watch the prime years of McDavid, and Matthews.

The Flyers just love to use Vegas, and St Louis as the outlier example because it helps divert accountability away from a front office, and scouting department that hadn’t had any for a decade.

Even Calgary hiving success on the back of Wolf, saw the truth in their incompetence.
- flyer_nutter

Its simply illogical. There is no such thing as a fool proof team building strategy. There are always going to be teams that fail, regardless of what strategy is adopted. It's about what strategy has the higher odds and higher success rate. Certainly not the Flyers methods.

please define what you think is a significant cost.

for arguments sake let's say Giroux will only accept a trade to philly. does that lower the cost? though if he cares about a cup in any way (probably doesn't) then philly is not on his list.

bringing hm back would be a step backward. so maybe it is possible then.
- login

I’d like it just for the nostalgia, but no way Giroux ends up back here.

STG who is a mouthpiece for Keith Jones, was very clear that moving Giroux was a part of fixing the culture. BS of course, but is what it is.

it's simply illogical. There is no such thing as a fool proof team building strategy. There are always going to be teams that fail, regardless of what strategy is adopted. It's about what strategy has the higher odds and higher success rate. Certainly not the Flyers methods.
- MJL

The Flyers are closer to Buffalo than a lot of the diehards would like to believe.

They aren’t on the tier of Tampa who makes smart organizational decisions. They are where they are because of a front office that is much closer to the quality of Buffalo or Ottawa than people would like to admit.

The focus on players, effort, Frost, or whoever is the designated scapegoat is old. That front office is a country club that operates with zero accountability - and very clearly over prioritizes promotion from within.

Fix that, and we can actually benefit from Michkov. Briere is going to miss the playoffs for a second year in a row. That’s positive in the grand scheme when it comes to actual turnover.

The Flyers are closer to Buffalo than a lot of the diehards would like to believe.

They aren’t on the tier of Tampa who makes smart organizational decisions. They are where they are because of a front office that is much closer to the quality of Buffalo or Ottawa than people would like to admit.

The focus on players, effort, Frost, or whoever is the designated scapegoat is old. That front office is a country club that operates with zero accountability - and very clearly over prioritizes promotion from within.

Fix that, and we can actually benefit from Michkov. Briere is going to miss the playoffs for a second year in a row. That’s positive in the grand scheme when it comes to actual turnover.
- flyer_nutter

but "hilf" is new and on top of things

the flyer are the buffalo version of not tanking. Buffalo who by the way has more wins than the flyers the last few seasons combined.

cracks me up when people's go to is the sabre's.
- login

Neither the Flyers nor the Sabres are winning a Cup anytime soon. Unfortunately Comcast only cares about selling tickets, Gritty merch, etc so no way they go the Buffalo route. I can only hope that the Flyers luck out and get a few more decent prospects, free cap space, add a star or 2 & be competitive. Yes it's a stretch, but don't think the Sabres have any better chance than we do to succeed.

dirty goal!

Foerster starting to play really well

dirty goal!
- MBFlyerfan

What the heck was the Columbus goalie doing on that play?

dirty goal!
- MBFlyerfan

What the heck was the Columbus goalie doing on that play?

Streaky scores again!

Tippett is the epitome of a streaky goal.scorer

Drysdale’s moving well tonight.

Streaky scores again!
- MBFlyerfan

35-40 goal scorer

Gaudette ranks 12th in EV ice time per game among Ottawa forwards. Gudette also has 13 goals on the season and is leading their team in ES goals. Ottawa has 3 players at a point per game pace. Josh Norris who has 12 goals and 18 points. The highest Flyers has 7 ES goals. Ottawa is a higher scoring and deeper offensive team than the Flyers are.

How can you have a discussion on Giroux being a fit without discussing what they have to give up for him? It would be a significant cost.

Filpula was the return for Streit and was a cap dump. He was used as a checking line center. Is that what we want Giroux for? Of course not.

When looking at the cost, Giroux is not a fit. That's why he's not a fit.
- MJL

Giroux is a UFA this offseason. It would cost them nothing if they sign him as a UFA

Fillpula was often moved up to the 2nd line

Entire blueline did a nice job getting the puck out of the zone quickly

Giroux is a UFA this offseason. It would cost them nothing if they sign him as a UFA

Fillpula was often moved up to the 2nd line
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Did you actually read the blog? The context is Ottawa moving Giroux at the deadline. It's in the first paragraph of the blog. Fillpula was used as a checking line center to play against other teams top lines.

Entire blueline did a nice job getting the puck out of the zone quickly
- Trox88

As well as standing up at the blue line. Flyers played a dominant period. Completely outplayed Columbus