I cant really say which prospect pool is better and I really don't see how you can either. We are yeaers away before we can say which group will be better. All I can say with confidence with confidence right now is Luchanko was not put in the best position by the coach to show what he was capable of at the WJCs this year.
- jd250

Luchenko was in the right position on the team for the team. The other players in front of him are simply better players offensively, and Jett played well on the penalty kill. The WJC was not about showcasing certain players to try and make them look good, but to try and win the tournament for Country pride. Canada did neither..lol. But to say Luchenko wasn't used properly is a bit of a reach.

Briere’s plan is to keep his job as long as possible. You do that by making draft picks and signing free agents. Losing trades is a much faster path to having the paying fan base turn on you. Jones’s plan is to the sell the crap product to the fan base until the cap clears up.
- psuhockey

I dont agree. People become GMs to build a winning team. Brieres goal is going to be to win. He has his beliefs to what will lead to that. Not to mention as a young GM, if he doesnt do a good job, this ends up being his last. Hextall got a 2nd job but after PIT its going to be very unlikely he gets another GM job.

Trades just arent going to benefit Philly right now. You need to give to get and we dont really have a huge surplus of top talent. So unless a GM is panicking and making a rash move you arent winning a trade. If the Flyers land a #1C in a trade for instance, they would need to be taking advantage of a bad move. They have good players but not enough to guaranteed top player. Maybe they can get a reclamation project

You talk so much nonsense that you don't even remember. Your exact statement was that he proved he was a top 6 NHL center. Myself and a number of other posters called you out on it. Why was it a coaching mistake, because he is Flyers prospect? What is another of your famous sayings. Ice time is earned, not given. When the same argument is given to you about other players, you balk. It's just inconsistency after inconsistency. Contradiction after contradiction. That is all present in your posting because you have no real knowledge. No actual insight into the game .It's a guarantee that you will give yourself away and make a comment on a Flyers prospect and I'll be there to remind you that we can't sit here and judge anything.
You still can't grasp that all the current information points to Buium being the better choice including reportedly with how he played in the WJC,
- MJL

That's how I remember it too.

You are as predictable as a morning dump when it comes to defending the Flyers.

Why do you always mention buffalo yet leave out the successful teams?
- furio16

Because if you bring up Pittsburgh, Tampa, Colorado, Florida, or Chicago it will ruin the narrative.

So now you're getting the point and what that comment was meant to illicit. That playoff failure for a team shouldn't be placed on one player just as failure of a team getting to the playoffs shouldn't be placed on one player. Therefore, the Leafs playoff failures is not evidence that Marner is a soft player. Thanks.
- MJL

I was never of the opinion Marner was soft. I would have loved him as a Flyer. I think hes really good. Just not a good fit right now.

For whatever reason the Leafs stars seem to struggle during playoffs. This season will determine if coaching was the issue. I do think there are some plaws in Maners game that do become apparent in playoffs.

This is what you do, make up whatever fantasy you want, but you are simply lying. I stand by my statement, we'll see in a few years if draft Luchanko over Buium was a mistake or not. You just hate the Flyers so you will grasp on to anything you can to cheer for them to fail. How sad you are. All I know is Luchanko has played 4 pro games. How many pro games has Buium played?
- jd250

He is in school, and inelegible to play in the NHL yet. He will...just wait.

Luchanko ONLY started the season in the NHL as the Flyers brass where trying rush things and he clearly showed he was no where near ready.

So now you're getting the point and what that comment was meant to illicit. That playoff failure for a team shouldn't be placed on one player just as failure of a team getting to the playoffs shouldn't be placed on one player. Therefore, the Leafs playoff failures is not evidence that Marner is a soft player. Thanks.
- MJL

You also said Marner had carried his team to the playoffs. That is false. Hence him saying and TK has. That’s my interpretation.

I was never of the opinion Marner was soft. I would have loved him as a Flyer. I think hes really good. Just not a good fit right now.

For whatever reason the Leafs stars seem to struggle during playoffs. This season will determine if coaching was the issue. I do think there are some plaws in Maners game that do become apparent in playoffs.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Marner is an elite offensive and defensive player.

Marner is an elite offensive and defensive player.
- MJL

Agree, but i don't like the price tag he is gonna command

Agree, but i don't like the price tag he is gonna command
- SlNlSTER

Thats the cost of an elite player. That will be Michkov at some point.

More fantasy from you. I have never made a statement that Luchanko has already shown that he is a top 6 NHL center. I said instead that I think he can be a top 6 center in the NHL, that his ceiling is higher than the 3rd line center that some had him pegged to be before he was drafted. I think Luchanko did make a good impact for Canada in this tourney, he was clearly their best player on the PK and flashed his speped several times. The issue I had was he didn't play all that much 5v5 nor on the PP, and I think that was a coaching mistake.

Buium had a good tourney and like I posted yesterday, that pass he made in OT for the game winner was top notch. BUT I will say it again, until both players are playing in the NHL, we can't possibly sit here and judge anything.
- jd250

You 100% made that statement about being a top 6 center.

Jeff O'Neill: Danny you've got some great young players, what do you think it'd take for a team in a position like the Philadelphia Flyers to get to that next level, to be a team that contends for the playoffs and ultimately the Stanley Cup year after year? Is it for your young players to turn into star players, like do you look at teams that are kinda fighting in that same position, do you need more star power, what is it that you guys need?

Danny Briere: Well I think everybody wants more star power, and we all want the Connor McDavid and the Auston Matthews and etcetera but the reality is those guys are extremely tough to find. There's a chance that a guy like Michkov could turn into close to a star or superstar but otherwise you need depth throughout your lineup, you need your young players to become really good players. It feels like we're trending in that direction but there's still a long ways to go. I think consistency is probably one of the toughest things as a young guy, as a young player to find and to get and we see that. We see that on a nightly basis. For us you always have 2 or 3 guys that are not going and to become a good team I think that's one of the things we're going to need. It's so tough, you look at the teams that are stuck in the bottom of the standings - it's so tough to get out of it. That was part of why when we talked about the rebuild we didn't want to fall all the way down to the bottom, we wanted to stay competitive and have our young guys learn through a competitive team and a team that has a chance to win and make the playoffs because it's so tough to get out of there.


Danny really is a putz. Wow

Luchenko was in the right position on the team for the team. The other players in front of him are simply better players offensively, and Jett played well on the penalty kill. The WJC was not about showcasing certain players to try and make them look good, but to try and win the tournament for Country pride. Canada did neither..lol. But to say Luchenko wasn't used properly is a bit of a reach.
- TheFreak

Really? Are you sure about that? Because the last I checked the team barely made it out of the group stage and lost in the first game of the medal rounds. Luchanko played about 15 to 16 shifts a game, which is not a lot. I thought he could have played a bigger role offensively, but in the end the coach thought otherwise, and the results speak for themselves.

You 100% made that statement about being a top 6 center.
- Flyfly

Yes I said he has a ceiling to be a top 6 NHL player, but I NEVER said he already showed it.

Jeff O'Neill: Danny you've got some great young players, what do you think it'd take for a team in a position like the Philadelphia Flyers to get to that next level, to be a team that contends for the playoffs and ultimately the Stanley Cup year after year? Is it for your young players to turn into star players, like do you look at teams that are kinda fighting in that same position, do you need more star power, what is it that you guys need?

Danny Briere: Well I think everybody wants more star power, and we all want the Connor McDavid and the Auston Matthews and etcetera but the reality is those guys are extremely tough to find. There's a chance that a guy like Michkov could turn into close to a star or superstar but otherwise you need depth throughout your lineup, you need your young players to become really good players. It feels like we're trending in that direction but there's still a long ways to go. I think consistency is probably one of the toughest things as a young guy, as a young player to find and to get and we see that. We see that on a nightly basis. For us you always have 2 or 3 guys that are not going and to become a good team I think that's one of the things we're going to need. It's so tough, you look at the teams that are stuck in the bottom of the standings - it's so tough to get out of it. That was part of why when we talked about the rebuild we didn't want to fall all the way down to the bottom, we wanted to stay competitive and have our young guys learn through a competitive team and a team that has a chance to win and make the playoffs because it's so tough to get out of there.


Danny really is a putz. Wow
- StepfordSam

Wow .. actually Danny sounds like he really knows what he is talking aobut.

He is in school, and inelegible to play in the NHL yet. He will...just wait.

Luchanko ONLY started the season in the NHL as the Flyers brass where trying rush things and he clearly showed he was no where near ready.
- TheFreak

Yes, that was my point. I could take something stupid like Luchanko made the Flyers out of camp and determine wrongly that he is ahead of Buium. Likewise, saying Buium looked good at WJCs while Luchanko played sparingly for Canada means Buium is ahead of Luchanko. The bottom line is, we won't know for a while if the Flyers made the right choice or not. I would love both players to succeed and be great NHL players for a long time. The Flyers could only pick one of them and if they end up with a top center, I would be very happy for that. Instead of disparaging Luchanko to try to berate Briere and Jones, how about we root for the kids health and development and hope he becomes a top center?

Really? Are you sure about that? Because the last I checked the team barely made it out of the group stage and lost in the first game of the medal rounds. Luchanko played about 15 to 16 shifts a game, which is not a lot. I thought he could have played a bigger role offensively, but in the end the coach thought otherwise, and the results speak for themselves.
- jd250

You're trying to imply that the results were based on Luchanko not playing more. There is no evidence to support that. For a player down in lineup, 15-16 shifts in a game is a good amount.

Yes I said he has a ceiling to be a top 6 NHL player, but I NEVER said he already showed it.
- jd250

Yes you did and multiple people including myself called you on it. You said that Luchanko proved that he was a top 6 NHL center. I recall it distinctly because I laughed like hell.

Wow .. actually Danny sounds like he really knows what he is talking aobut.
- jd250

Actually he doesn't. He is saying that he'd rather stay the same mediocre irrelevant team that they've been rather than adopt a strategy to try and become a legit cup contender. They're either afraid and have no balls or they just are concerned with ticket sales and revenue.

Yes, that was my point. I could take something stupid like Luchanko made the Flyers out of camp and determine wrongly that he is ahead of Buium. Likewise, saying Buium looked good at WJCs while Luchanko played sparingly for Canada means Buium is ahead of Luchanko. The bottom line is, we won't know for a while if the Flyers made the right choice or not. I would love both players to succeed and be great NHL players for a long time. The Flyers could only pick one of them and if they end up with a top center, I would be very happy for that. Instead of disparaging Luchanko to try to berate Briere and Jones, how about we root for the kids health and development and hope he becomes a top center?
- jd250

You don't get it. It's not a disparaging of Luchanko. It's criticism of the Flyers decision making. Remember this the next time you pump a Flyers prospect. Of course, you'll deny you said this.

You're trying to imply that the results were based on Luchanko not playing more. There is no evidence to support that. For a player down in lineup, 15-16 shifts in a game is a good amount.
- MJL

I am just pointing out the team was not successful. I don't know if moving Luchanko up in the lineup would have made a difference, it probably would not have. But I am challenging the statement that Luchanko played down in the lineup because the forwards above him were better offensively. Luchanko plays for a bad Gaulph team, thus its erroneous to view his OHL stats and draw comparisons. I just would have liked to see the kid get more of chance to showcase what he could do. But I get it, he's only 18 years old, the other forwards on the team were more established, etc.

You don't get it. It's not a disparaging of Luchanko. It's criticism of the Flyers decision making. Remember this the next time you pump a Flyers prospect. Of course, you'll deny you said this.
- MJL

But you are focusing on Buium, pumping him up. I am not denying the kid played well in the WJCs, but I would rather focus on Bonk and Luchanko and how they performed versus pumping up Buium just to crap on the Flyers. In a few years if Luchanko is a bust and Buium is the next Werenski in the NHL, go ahead and crap of Briere. But now its just way to premature to know anything about how these kids will turn out. YOu just remember this conversation in a few years IF Luchanko because a 1C or 2C in the NHL.

I am just pointing out the team was not successful. I don't know if moving Luchanko up in the lineup would have made a difference, it probably would not have. But I am challenging the statement that Luchanko played down in the lineup because the forwards above him were better offensively. Luchanko plays for a bad Gaulph team, thus its erroneous to view his OHL stats and draw comparisons. I just would have liked to see the kid get more of chance to showcase what he could do. But I get it, he's only 18 years old, the other forwards on the team were more established, etc.
- jd250

You're favoring Luchanko simply because he is a Flyers prospect.

Jeff O'Neill: Danny you've got some great young players, what do you think it'd take for a team in a position like the Philadelphia Flyers to get to that next level, to be a team that contends for the playoffs and ultimately the Stanley Cup year after year? Is it for your young players to turn into star players, like do you look at teams that are kinda fighting in that same position, do you need more star power, what is it that you guys need?

Danny Briere: Well I think everybody wants more star power, and we all want the Connor McDavid and the Auston Matthews and etcetera but the reality is those guys are extremely tough to find. There's a chance that a guy like Michkov could turn into close to a star or superstar but otherwise you need depth throughout your lineup, you need your young players to become really good players. It feels like we're trending in that direction but there's still a long ways to go. I think consistency is probably one of the toughest things as a young guy, as a young player to find and to get and we see that. We see that on a nightly basis. For us you always have 2 or 3 guys that are not going and to become a good team I think that's one of the things we're going to need. It's so tough, you look at the teams that are stuck in the bottom of the standings - it's so tough to get out of it. That was part of why when we talked about the rebuild we didn't want to fall all the way down to the bottom, we wanted to stay competitive and have our young guys learn through a competitive team and a team that has a chance to win and make the playoffs because it's so tough to get out of there.


Danny really is a putz. Wow
- StepfordSam

he clearly does not realize or is just plain dumb to not understand the flyers are one of those teams at the bottom. its not tough to get out of if you have a solid plan and stick with it.

a chance to make the playoffs. that is what it has always been about he even said so last year.

But you are focusing on Buium, pumping him up. I am not denying the kid played well in the WJCs, but I would rather focus on Bonk and Luchanko and how they performed versus pumping up Buium just to crap on the Flyers. In a few years if Luchanko is a bust and Buium is the next Werenski in the NHL, go ahead and crap of Briere. But now its just way to premature to know anything about how these kids will turn out. YOu just remember this conversation in a few years IF Luchanko because a 1C or 2C in the NHL.
- jd250

flyers deserve and have earned to be crapped on.

it is not premature. flyers passed on the higher ranked player with a higher ceiling. that can't be denied.