But you are focusing on Buium, pumping him up. I am not denying the kid played well in the WJCs, but I would rather focus on Bonk and Luchanko and how they performed versus pumping up Buium just to crap on the Flyers. In a few years if Luchanko is a bust and Buium is the next Werenski in the NHL, go ahead and crap of Briere. But now its just way to premature to know anything about how these kids will turn out. YOu just remember this conversation in a few years IF Luchanko because a 1C or 2C in the NHL.
- jd250

You keep going with this childish response that people just want to crap on the Flyers. It's very simple, all of the information we have today points to the Flyers making the wrong pick. When you add on their track record, the criticism is deserved. You're getting criticism because of your extreme inconsistencies. You pump up a Flyers prospect but if someone says I think this player would've been the better pick. Then it's we don't know yet and won't for some time. Apply the same standard to yourself that you do to others.

Actually he doesn't. He is saying that he'd rather stay the same mediocre irrelevant team that they've been rather than adopt a strategy to try and become a legit cup contender. They're either afraid and have no balls or they just are concerned with ticket sales and revenue.
- MJL

I didn't read it that way. I read it that Briere beleives the best way to build a championship team and culture is by having a winning attitude versus a tanking attitude. Look at my favorite example, the Buffalo Sabres for proof. Last place again. It's just next to impossible to rid a franchise of the stain of tanking once they go down that path. The Flyers are in good shape coming this off season. They are already not cap strapped with almost $7M in cap space, and more money coming off the books this off season plus the cap is going up significantly again next season. They have 12 picks in this draft, 6 in the first two rounds. They are starting to build a new core of young players. Now is this off season critical to the near term future of the team? Absolutely it is! Danny and Jones need to get it right this off season. But overall, I think the Flyers are heading in the right direction. True there are examples of teams that have bottomed out and came back to championship level, but there are also plenty of examples of teams that did not need to bottom out to get back to a high level.

But you are focusing on Buium, pumping him up. I am not denying the kid played well in the WJCs, but I would rather focus on Bonk and Luchanko and how they performed versus pumping up Buium just to crap on the Flyers. In a few years if Luchanko is a bust and Buium is the next Werenski in the NHL, go ahead and crap of Briere. But now its just way to premature to know anything about how these kids will turn out. YOu just remember this conversation in a few years IF Luchanko because a 1C or 2C in the NHL.
- jd250

Buium pumped himself up with good tourny. While the flyers prospects did not.

the fact you think jett may end up a #1 center is funny to me.

I didn't read it that way. I read it that Briere beleives the best way to build a championship team and culture is by having a winning attitude versus a tanking attitude. Look at my favorite example, the Buffalo Sabres for proof. Last place again. Its just next to impossible to rid a franchise of the stain of tanking once they go down that path. The Flyers are in good shape coming this off season. They are already not cap strapped with almost $7M in cap space, and more money coming off the books this off season plus the cap is going up significsantly again next season. They have 12 picks in this draft, 6 in the first two rounds. They are starting to build a new core of young players. Now is this off season critical to the near term future of the teamm, absolutely it is! Danny and Jones need to get it right this off season. But overall I thin the Flyers are heading in the right direction. True there are examples of teams that have bottomed out and came back to championship level, but there are also plenty of examples of teams that did not need to bottom out to get back to a high level.
- jd250

When will you realize that continuing to bring up Buffalo is idiotic? Calling it poroof is worse. It's next to impossible to rid a franchise of the stain? Oh yea, the stain was quite visible when Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Colorado and TB were skating the cup around the ice. They're not in good shape. The have to re-sign players. That cap space will be gone quickly. There is zero evidence that the Flyers are headed in the right direction. You're advocating for them to continue with the same failed methods that have left them irrelevant as an NHL team for 15 years. It's about probability. One approach is far more successful than the other and it's not the one the Flyers are choosing. You have blind delusional faith

You keep going with this childish response that people just want to crap on the Flyers. It's very simple, all of the information we have today points to the Flyers making the wrong pick. When you add on their track record, the criticism is deserved. You're getting criticism because of your extreme inconsistencies. You pump up a Flyers prospect but if someone says I think this player would've been the better pick. Then it's we don't know yet and won't for some time. Apply the same standard to yourself that you do to others.
- MJL

Track record? What track record does Briere, Jones and for that matter Flahr have? They have barely been on the job for two years. Was Michkov not a good pick? Is Bonk not showing already he is on the right track also? Has Luchanko shown he was a bad pick? For that matter, lets go back to the Gauthier pick, was that a bad pick putting aside his apaprent disdain for the Flyers? What players has Briere picked that have been complete busts so far? You speak of track record but if you were even a little fair, you would acknowledge there is very little track record to speak of at this point.

I didn't read it that way. I read it that Briere beleives the best way to build a championship team and culture is by having a winning attitude versus a tanking attitude. Look at my favorite example, the Buffalo Sabres for proof. Last place again. It's just next to impossible to rid a franchise of the stain of tanking once they go down that path. The Flyers are in good shape coming this off season. They are already not cap strapped with almost $7M in cap space, and more money coming off the books this off season plus the cap is going up significantly again next season. They have 12 picks in this draft, 6 in the first two rounds. They are starting to build a new core of young players. Now is this off season critical to the near term future of the team? Absolutely it is! Danny and Jones need to get it right this off season. But overall, I think the Flyers are heading in the right direction. True there are examples of teams that have bottomed out and came back to championship level, but there are also plenty of examples of teams that did not need to bottom out to get back to a high level.
- jd250

he wants a winning attitude, yet he has kep around all the players who know nothing but losing. that danny is a smart guy.

why is buffalo bad? do you want to take stab at it? what you fail to realize is the flyers are buffalo.

it isnt impossible. danny is a putz. the way he wants to "build" is a failing way outside of hope and luck.

flyers are in good shape. keep jerking them off as they love fans like you.

Track record? What track record does Briere, Jones and for that matter Flahr have? They have barely been on the job for two years. Was Michkov not a good pick? Is Bonk not showing already he is on the right track also? Has Luchanko shown he was a bad pick? For that matter, lets go back to the Gauthier pick, was that a bad pick putting aside his apaprent disdain for the Flyers? What players has Briere picked that have been complete busts so far? You speak of track record but if you were even a little fair, you would acknowledge there is very little track record to speak of at this point.
- jd250

The track record of reinforcing the Flyers same failed methods. The track record of showing zero signs of changing or being a change agent.

Here you go again. It was just minutes ago when you said we won't know for years about a player. Now here you are pumping up Flyers prospects. I thought it would take longer than just mere minutes for you to contradict yourself. I was wrong

he wants a winning attitude, yet he has kep around all the players who know nothing but losing. that danny is a smart guy.

why is buffalo bad? do you want to take stab at it? what you fail to realize is the flyers are buffalo.

it isnt impossible. danny is a putz. the way he wants to "build" is a failing way outside of hope and luck.

flyers are in good shape. keep jerking them off as they love fans like you.
- login

Sadly, the reality of this comment won't hit a lot of fans until the no playoffs streak runs to a decade (which I have full confidence will happen).

When will you realize that continuing to bring up Buffalo is idiotic? Calling it poroof is worse. It's next to impossible to rid a franchise of the stain? Oh yea, the stain was quite visible when Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Colorado and TB were skating the cup around the ice. They're not in good shape. The have to re-sign players. That cap space will be gone quickly. There is zero evidence that the Flyers are headed in the right direction. You're advocating for them to continue with the same failed methods that have left them irrelevant as an NHL team for 15 years. It's about probability. One approach is far more successful than the other and it's not the one the Flyers are choosing. You have blind delusional faith
- MJL

It's not delusional faith, I just don't agree with tanking, unless of course the team is already close to the bottom anyway and there is a generational talent at the top of the draft. Otherwise, I want the team to compete as hard as they can because I think that is the best way to develop young players. Look I would like the Flyers to trade Risto and Laughton this deadline, but more so because there are young players that I think are ready to play in the NHL and I would like to see what they got, for example Andrae, Grans and Lycksell. This is in line with what Torts has stated the goal is, to evaluate the players they have in the system. Now one side benefit to this is trading Risto and Laughton would probably hurt the team in the standings a bit which I am not opposed to, but only because this draft unfortunately is not as deep as some had projected previously, thus picking lower in the first round is not going to be worth as much. Drafting in the end is all about luck and timing. Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, they got lucky in the years they were at the bottom. Other teams are not that lucky.

The track record of reinforcing the Flyers same failed methods. The track record of showing zero signs of changing or being a change agent.

Here you go again. It was just minutes ago when you said we won't know for years about a player. Now here you are pumping up Flyers prospects. I thought it would take longer than just mere minutes for you to contradict yourself. I was wrong
- MJL

YOu have a reading comprehension issue don't you? I asked the question to you, has Luchanko showed you already he was a bust? How is that a contradiction?

It's not delusional faith, I just don't agree with tanking, unless of course the team is already close to the bottom anyway and there is a generational talent at the top of the draft. Otherwise, I want the team to compete as hard as they can because I think that is the best way to develop young players. Look I would like the Flyers to trade Risto and Laughton this deadline, but more so because there are young players that I think are ready to play in the NHL and I would like to see what they got, for example Andrae, Grans and Lycksell. This is in line with what Torts has stated the goal is, to evaluate the players they have in the system. Now one side benefit to this is trading Risto and Laughton would probably hurt the team in the standings a bit which I am not opposed to, but only because this draft unfortunately is not as deep as some had projected previously, thus picking up in the first round is not going to worth as much. Drafting in the end is all about timing. Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, they got lucky in the years they were at the bottom. Other teams are not that lucky.
- jd250

You are delusional and have fallen under the spell of the Flyers rhetoric. The Flyers are in no man’s land, which is worse than the very bottom. At the same time, they ARE at the bottom in terms of regulation wins, so they are deluding themselves even further about where they are at.

What Briere has proved is that he has no balls at all. He is simply going path of least resistance which is the path the Flyers have gone down since the dawn of the salary cap era.

They are still as lost in the woods as Bryzgalov.

he wants a winning attitude, yet he has kep around all the players who know nothing but losing. that danny is a smart guy.

why is buffalo bad? do you want to take stab at it? what you fail to realize is the flyers are buffalo.

it isnt impossible. danny is a putz. the way he wants to "build" is a failing way outside of hope and luck.

flyers are in good shape. keep jerking them off as they love fans like you.
- login

Let me get this straight, trying to build a championship team but building a winning culture around their young players to develop is a failing method based on hope and luck? But tanking and drafting at the top of the draft for several years is not based on hope and luck?

It's not delusional faith, I just don't agree with tanking, unless of course the team is already close to the bottom anyway and there is a generational talent at the top of the draft. Otherwise, I want the team to compete as hard as they can because I think that is the best way to develop young players. Look I would like the Flyers to trade Risto and Laughton this deadline, but more so because there are young players that I think are ready to play in the NHL and I would like to see what they got, for example Andrae, Grans and Lycksell. This is in line with what Torts has stated the goal is, to evaluate the players they have in the system. Now one side benefit to this is trading Risto and Laughton would probably hurt the team in the standings a bit which I am not opposed to, but only because this draft unfortunately is not as deep as some had projected previously, thus picking up in the first round is not going to worth as much. Drafting in the end is all about timing. Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, they got lucky in the years they were at the bottom. Other teams are not that lucky.
- jd250

Stating that the Flyers are on the right track is delusional. Just like when you declared the Flyers on the path to the Cup in the past. You're doing it again. Emil Andrae is the Flyers 3rd best defenseman in my opinion and he is in the AHL and you're referencing what Tortorella has stated about the goal. That's delusional. There are top all star level players taken in every draft. Stop with the bad timing nonsense. They didn't get lucky, they picked the best player. The Flyers should try that. You tout Luchanko as a possible 1C when the narrative fits you and then out of the other side of your mouth, oh it's not a good draft. It's ridiculous.

You are delusional and have fallen under the spell of the Flyers rhetoric. The Flyers are in no man’s land, which is worse than the very bottom. At the same time, they ARE at the bottom in terms of regulation wins, so they are deluding themselves even further about where they are at.

What Briere has proved is that he has no balls at all. He is simply going path of least resistance which is the path the Flyers have gone down since the dawn of the salary cap era.

They are still as lost in the woods as Bryzgalov.
- StepfordSam

This off season is critical for the Flyers near term and long term future. If they have a poor off season where they don't make bold moves then I will agree with you. So far Briere has not proven to me he has no balls.

Stating that the Flyers are on the right track is delusional. Just like when you declared the Flyers on the path to the Cup in the past. You're doing it again. Emil Andrae is the Flyers 3rd best defenseman in my opinion and he is in the AHL and you're referencing what Tortorella has stated about the goal. That's delusional. There are top all star level players taken in every draft. Stop with the bad timing nonsense. They didn't get lucky, they picked the best player. The Flyers should try that. You tout Luchanko as a possible 1C when the narrative fits you and then out of the other side of your mouth, oh it's not a good draft. It's ridiculous.
- MJL

I didn't say anything about last year's draft .. I am referring to this year's draft which by every projection I have read is not that strong.

Actually he doesn't. He is saying that he'd rather stay the same mediocre irrelevant team that they've been rather than adopt a strategy to try and become a legit cup contender. They're either afraid and have no balls or they just are concerned with ticket sales and revenue.
- MJL

They are executing the perfect strategy to stay under the radar and keep their jobs.

1. They aren't bad enough to affect ticket sales.
2. They have some young talent for the PR people to hype to drive ticket sales.
3. There are no defining trades (yet) where they've stuck their neck out.
4. Nobody agrees who is really in charge to direct accountability.
5. They know how to talk without saying anything.
6. Publicly downplay expectations while the Comcast affiliates pump them up thereby having deniability.

The perfect incompetent middle management. You aren't sure what they do or what they are responsible for and the earnings aren't bad enough to fire them.

Chuck set expectations which indirectly led to his downfall, this crowd wants to stay lost in the crowd. You can have a pretty long career if people have low expectations. Look at Torts, nobody has had high expectations of him in a long time but his teams usually have a baseline of not being the worst and he is usually an instant PR boost by becoming the face of the franchise he's coaching because of his antics.

YOu have a reading comprehension issue don't you? I asked the question to you, has Luchanko showed you already he was a bust? How is that a contradiction?
- jd250

Because you can look at a player like Luchanko and his current perceived progress and form an opinion on the player. Yet when someone says that Buium looks to be far ahead and a better prospect at this point, and would've been the better pick. It's "we won't know for years what they turn out to be" You really don't get it.

It's not delusional faith, I just don't agree with tanking, unless of course the team is already close to the bottom anyway and there is a generational talent at the top of the draft. Otherwise, I want the team to compete as hard as they can because I think that is the best way to develop young players. Look I would like the Flyers to trade Risto and Laughton this deadline, but more so because there are young players that I think are ready to play in the NHL and I would like to see what they got, for example Andrae, Grans and Lycksell. This is in line with what Torts has stated the goal is, to evaluate the players they have in the system. Now one side benefit to this is trading Risto and Laughton would probably hurt the team in the standings a bit which I am not opposed to, but only because this draft unfortunately is not as deep as some had projected previously, thus picking lower in the first round is not going to be worth as much. Drafting in the end is all about luck and timing. Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago, they got lucky in the years they were at the bottom. Other teams are not that lucky.
- jd250

you have said many time they need elite talent and the best way to get it is a top 5 pick.

good organizations create their own luck.

they have shown no inclination to move away from players they love. if that changes will believe it when it happens. Ollie is 25 or 26 years old. He is a non prospect and will be a free agent after the year. He has no nhl future with the flyers.

I didn't say anything about last year's draft .. I am referring to this year's draft which by every projection I have read is not that strong.
- jd250

I'll try to explain it to you in vain. You think that last year, the Flyers may have gotten a potential 1C in Luchanko, then spout that this years draft is weak, so no use in tanking for it. It's another in a long line of contradictions. I know you won't get it.

I didn't say anything about last year's draft .. I am referring to this year's draft which by every projection I have read is not that strong.
- jd250

I'll try to explain it to you in vain. You think that last year, the Flyers may have gotten a potential 1C in Luchanko, then spout that this years draft is weak, so no use in tanking for it. It's another in a long line of contradictions. I know you won't get it.

you have said many time they need elite talent and the best way to get it is a top 5 pick.

good organizations create their own luck.

they have shown no inclination to move away from players they love. if that changes will believe it when it happens. Ollie is 25 or 26 years old. He is a non prospect and will be a free agent after the year. He has no nhl future with the flyers.
- login

Real man makes his own luck.

-Billy Zane , Titanic

Let me get this straight, trying to build a championship team but building a winning culture around their young players to develop is a failing method based on hope and luck? But tanking and drafting at the top of the draft for several years is not based on hope and luck?
- jd250

should a team such as the flyers put themselves in the best position to get a high draft pick? yes or no?

do you have a better shot to get an impact player with a top 5 pick or in the 10-15 range?

the flyers young players are nothing special at all. in any way. they are average.

Let me get this straight, trying to build a championship team but building a winning culture around their young players to develop is a failing method based on hope and luck? But tanking and drafting at the top of the draft for several years is not based on hope and luck?
- jd250

When do they start the winning? Trying the hardest and losing is the same as tanking and losing. Your still losing. But with tanking you have access to better players via the draft.

I do not even really mind that the Flyers are trying to win. It is the roster decisions that go along with it that I have a problem with.

I didn't say anything about last year's draft .. I am referring to this year's draft which by every projection I have read is not that strong.
- jd250

remember how danny was saying this year's draft is great and that is what the flyers have been focusing on. I member

Let me get this straight, trying to build a championship team but building a winning culture around their young players to develop is a failing method based on hope and luck? But tanking and drafting at the top of the draft for several years is not based on hope and luck?
- jd250

Tanking has a far higher rate of success than the Flyers method has. You don't build a championship level team with lower level players. You build it with elite players. You can't build a winning culture without having a winning caliber team. You have bought into the Flyers manipulations.