I actually like the line combinations right now. Look, the Flyers are 16th in the league in scoring, so that is not an issue. Lat night Woll played a very good game and made some key saves in the 3rd, plus Tippet missed a wide open net set up by Michkov. The Flyers overall played a very good game last night. Only allowed 17 shots and only 10 scoring chances. In the end one bad coaching decision cost them the game in the 3rd as it turned out. Toronto has the star power and thus even when they get outplayed they can still win games with a low number of scoring chances. The Flyers cannot win games this way, they don't have the talent.
- jd250

So howcome when Farabee misses an open net, he is a shell of a hockey player, but nothing bad to say about Tippet? If he buried half his chances he would be worthy of his contract.

It doesn't and it's not an apples to apples comparison because we know how Krebs has turned out. Either way, that is not proof of your premise. There were also extenuating health issues involved.
- MJL

A real world example of a trade return absolutely it more relevant the your feelings. The GM, coach and one of Pettersson’s teammates has intimated that he is mentally soft. Do you think that is better or worse to hockey men than Eichels physical injury? So Tuch 25 years old at the time coming off two injury plagued seasons, Krebs coming out of juniors off of one world juniors trip, a top 10 protected first and a 2nd round pick for Eichel and a 3rd was the trade. Tippett Bonk and a 1st looks pretty similar if not better than that.

If you think Pettersson will get more give a real world example to prove your point.

There is basically one spot available in the wild card and they're competing with 8 teams for that spot with 5 teams currently ahead of them.
- MJL

2 spots cliff

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...tandings/_/view/wild-card

There is basically one spot available in the wild card and they're competing with 8 teams for that spot with 5 teams currently ahead of them.
- MJL

It is a long shot measured by all their horrible stats. Goals against, the ongoing horrible PP, wins in regulation, Torts rewarding the Poehling's of the world with 15 ➕️ minutes, the horrible troika goaltending performance............

A real world example of a trade return absolutely it more relevant the your feelings. The GM, coach and one of Pettersson’s teammates has intimated that he is mentally soft. Do you think that is better or worse to hockey men than Eichels physical injury? So Tuch 25 years old at the time coming off two injury plagued seasons, Krebs coming out of juniors off of one world juniors trip, a top 10 protected first and a 2nd round pick for Eichel and a 3rd was the trade. Tippett Bonk and a 1st looks pretty similar if not better than that.

If you think Pettersson will get more give a real world example to prove your point.
- psuhockey

My feelings LOL. My feeling is the opinion that you offered that Tippett, Bonk and a 1st would get almost any available player is idiotic.
As far as the rumors, and that is all they are concerning Pettersson is irrelevant to your premise. Eichel was facing a major surgery and wanted to have a procedure that wasn't commonly done. Not to mention that he no longer wanted to play for Buffalo and wanted out. All of that surely affected his value.

My real world example is Florida getting Tkachuk cost them Huberdeau, a 115 point scorer who set an NHL record for assists as a LW. MacKenzie Weegar, a really good ESTABLISHED NHL defenseman, a prospect in Cole Schwindt who is in the NHL and a conditional 1st round pick.

Low hanging fruit

But Couts is the best faceoff player they have, so why wouldn't you put him up against Matthews for defensive zone draws in a tie game in the 3rd period?
- jd250

Coaching error? Was Coots coming off the ice at this point? I was making dinner while the game was on, so I have no idea of what the lead up to the goal was.

I have zero doubt. 100% believe they didn't draft Buium is because of his agent.

they did nto want to go down that road.

please define very very good center.

develop him properly lol
- hello it's me 2050

Doesn't Farabee have the same agent? I am sure I had read that somewhere.

Doesn't Farabee have the same agent? I am sure I had read that somewhere.
- TheFreak

I believe that is correct.

My feelings LOL. My feeling is the opinion that you offered that Tippett, Bonk and a 1st would get almost any available player is idiotic.
As far as the rumors, and that is all they are concerning Pettersson is irrelevant to your premise. Eichel was facing a major surgery and wanted to have a procedure that wasn't commonly done. Not to mention that he no longer wanted to play for Buffalo and wanted out. All of that surely affected his value.

My real world example is Florida getting Tkachuk cost them Huberdeau, a 115 point scorer who set an NHL record for assists as a LW. MacKenzie Weegar, a really good ESTABLISHED NHL defenseman, a prospect in Cole Schwindt who is in the NHL and a conditional 1st round pick.
- MJL

This is where your apples to apples falls apart for yourself because that trade was 100% contracts related. Florida didn’t want to resign Weeger and Huberdeau and Tkachuk wasn’t going to resign in Calgary. Pettersson is being traded because of lockerroom issues much like Eichel and has nothing to do with contracts.

No team is going to covet a mediocre 3rd pair defenseman with a 5M cap hit. If the Flyers are willing to retain salary or take a bad contract back, a few teams might have interest for a depth role.
- MJL

I actually hear his name quite a bit on the Vancouver radio stations....they seem to think he would be a great pickup for the Canucks, but they always mention retained money and like a 3rd round pick and "c" prospect. Not much if anything, but I do think there will be a market for him. I just don't expect much back at all, and definetly not if we not retaining.

Numerous players? Who are the players should have traded last year that other teams wanted?
- jd250

Start with TK...

Sprong experiment done in Seattle. Another team ready to move on from a player incapable of playing defence.

I actually hear his name quite a bit on the Vancouver radio stations....they seem to think he would be a great pickup for the Canucks, but they always mention retained money and like a 3rd round pick and "c" prospect. Not much if anything, but I do think there will be a market for him. I just don't expect much back at all, and definetly not if we not retaining.
- TheFreak

As I previously said, I think with retained salary or taking a contract back, there will be a market and some interest in him. However teams that covet him won't be lined up and no playoff level team is very likely to take him at his full AAV to play in their top 4.

This is where your apples to apples falls apart for yourself because that trade was 100% contracts related. Florida didn’t want to resign Weeger and Huberdeau and Tkachuk wasn’t going to resign in Calgary. Pettersson is being traded because of lockerroom issues much like Eichel and has nothing to do with contracts.
- psuhockey

The things I have to explain. I did not offer the trade as an apples to apples comparison. I used the trade to respond to your ridiculous challenge of asking for a real world example.

The things I have to explain. I did not offer the trade as an apples to apples comparison. I used the trade to respond to your ridiculous challenge of asking for a real world example.
- MJL

But that trade doesn’t hold up to the Pettersson situation . You could have used the Oreilly trade as a real world example. That trade was Tage Thompson, a 1st and 2nd and two cap dumps. At the time Tage Thompson was a winger and hadn’t yet moved to center. That returned was less than what Eichel got but another example of what real world returns actually are. Point being Pettersson is not going to get what most people think and Tippett Bonk and a 1st is very much in line with the last 1C trade in his 20’s.

But that trade doesn’t hold up to the Pettersson situation . You could have used the Oreilly trade as a real world example. That trade was Tage Thompson, a 1st and 2nd and two cap dumps. At the time Tage Thompson was a winger and hadn’t yet moved to center. That returned was less than what Eichel got but another example of what real world returns actually are. Point being Pettersson is not going to get what most people think and Tippett Bonk and a 1st is very much in line with the last 1C trade in his 20’s.
- psuhockey

You're just inventing fantasy. I understand that the conversation didn't go as you expected but when all you could do was weakly label my response as feelings, what did you expect? You asked for a real world example to prove my point that your premise that Tippett, Bonk and a first would get almost any available player was incorrect. I gave that to you. Now you want to dismiss it. You're simply not being a serious person. Both with your original premise and your responses afterwards.

There is zero chance that an offer of Tippett, Bonk and a 1st would get Pettersson. It is an insulting offer that would get laughed at.

You're just inventing fantasy. I understand that the conversation didn't go as you expected but when all you could do was weakly label my response as feelings, what did you expect? You asked for a real world example to prove my point that your premise that Tippett, Bonk and a first would get almost any available player was incorrect. I gave that to you. Now you want to dismiss it. You're simply not being a serious person. Both with your original premise and your responses afterwards.

There is zero chance that an offer of Tippett, Bonk and a 1st would get Pettersson. It is an insulting offer that would get laughed at.
- MJL

I would love to discuss further the difference between contract related trades and lockerroom ones but there is a lot of nuance there you might not understand. But my point is clear and still stands that Tippett Bonk and a 1st is nearly identical or better than the Eichel return. Vancouver reported wants a center in the deal so the Flyers would be out regardless but value is value. You might not like but it is what it is.

I would love to discuss further the difference between contract related trades and lockerroom ones but there is a lot of nuance there you might not understand. But my point is clear and still stands that Tippett Bonk and a 1st is nearly identical or better than the Eichel return. Vancouver reported wants a center in the deal so the Flyers would be out regardless but value is value. You might not like but it is what it is.
- psuhockey

Clearly the only recourse you're left with is to respond with a pathetic attempt at an insult. Now you're moving the goal posts from your original point of Tippett, Bonk and a 1st getting almost any available player now to that being nearly identical or better than the Eichel return. Which is also false. Nothing to do with liking it and everything to do with common sense. Clearly you don't like that I proved you to be incorrect.

Clearly the only recourse you're left with is to respond with a pathetic attempt at an insult. Now you're moving the goal posts from your original point of Tippett, Bonk and a 1st getting almost any available player now to that being nearly identical or better than the Eichel return. Which is also false. Nothing to do with liking it and everything to do with common sense. Clearly you don't like that I proved you to be incorrect.
- MJL

Spinning in circles saying I am wrong over and over again isn’t really proving the point you are trying to prove.

Spinning in circles saying I am wrong over and over again isn’t really proving the point you are trying to prove.
- psuhockey

That's more fantasy. You asked me for a real world example to prove my point. I provided that. Since then, you're just responding with childish nonsense. If you think the Flyers can get Pettersson for Tippett, Bonk and a 1st. You're delusional. End of story.

Ek reporting the Flyers have offered their 1st pick, Luchanko and Laughton to Vancouver for Pettersson. Would you do it? Where does he get this stuff?
- jd250

No he did not. He said that is what he believes it would take, plus more.

That's more fantasy. You asked me for a real world example to prove my point. I provided that. Since then, you're just responding with childish nonsense. If you think the Flyers can get Pettersson for Tippett, Bonk and a 1st. You're delusional. End of story.
- MJL

Twirling and twirling and twirling.

But that trade doesn’t hold up to the Pettersson situation . You could have used the Oreilly trade as a real world example. That trade was Tage Thompson, a 1st and 2nd and two cap dumps. At the time Tage Thompson was a winger and hadn’t yet moved to center. That returned was less than what Eichel got but another example of what real world returns actually are. Point being Pettersson is not going to get what most people think and Tippett Bonk and a 1st is very much in line with the last 1C trade in his 20’s.
- psuhockey

I would think they would end up trading for a player, a first and a prospect, and possibly add to that. So yeah, Tippett/ Farabee, Bonk and the Flyers first could be the foundation to it. They might want Luchenko instead of Bonk.

I say Farabee or Tippett because they are really quite similar in their career production so far. While Tippett seems to be a 1 trick pony that scores more out of volume of shots than being a sniper, Farabee seems to do a bit of everything, even fighting, but nothing exceptionally well.

Farabee has 88 goal, and 196 points in 375 games, is 24, drafted 1st/14th 2018. Farabee makes $5 per for 3 more years.
Tippett has 84 goals, and 166 points in 311 games, is 25, drafted 1st/ 10th 2017. Tippett makes $6.2 per for 7 more years.


Vancouver would probably see more value in Farabee than in Tippett in my opinion.
Just saying.

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